gospel of Judas - 300AD found

[ygalg1]

From news article:

Text might be hidden 'gospel of Judas'
Manuscript authenticated by carbon dating to 300 A.D.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- National Geographic unveiled an ancient manuscript Thursday that may shed new light on the relationship between Jesus and Judas, the disciple who betrayed him.

The papyrus manuscript was written probably around 300 A.D. in Coptic script, a copy of an earlier Greek manuscript.

It was discovered in the desert in Egypt in the 1970s and has now been authenticated by carbon dating and studied and translated by biblical scholars, National Geographic announced.

Unlike the four gospels in the Bible, this text indicates that Judas betrayed Jesus at Jesus' request.

The text begins "the secret account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in conversation with Judas Iscariot."

The key passage comes when Jesus tells Judas "you will exceed all of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothed me."

This indicates that Judas would help liberate the spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his physical flesh, the scholars said.

The manuscript was first mentioned in a treatise around 180 A.D. by a bishop, Irenaeus of Lyon, in what is now France. The bishop denounced the manuscript as differing from mainstream Christianity and said it produced a fictitious story.

There were several gospels in circulation at the time in addition to the four in the Bible. When those gospels were denounced, it was thought that believers hid them away.

What scholars refer to as the gospel of Judas was kept by a group called the Gnostics, who believed that the way to salvation was through secret knowledge given by Jesus to his inner circle.

National Geographic said the author believed that Judas Iscariot alone understood the true significance of Jesus' teachings.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/TECH/sci....ap/index.html

[Zlatorog]

Our language was a bit different in the 16th century.

Perva doba = First Era :

God creates the sky, earth, sea... Adam and Eva. Adam has Kain and Abel...

130. Set, Adam, Abel...
235. Set, Enos, Pofij, Enosij...
325. Enos, Kainan.
395. Kainan, Mahalaleel.
460. Mahaleel, Iared.

...

3628. Aleksander the Great puts Bolgar and Illyrian vezda named Slovene under his control.

110. Third persecution of Christians. Simon of Jerusalem crucified. Ignacius, scholar of Ivanush, Antioch Bishop, torn apart by beasts in Rome. Quirinus Apostol, scholar in Siske Varashe (Sisek), at that time Slovene bishop, thrown in Kolpa river and drowned.

280. Aurelius Probus, ruler for six years, murdered in Slovene lands.

373. Huns from Scythia attack Pannonia, ten hundred and eighty lakes (thousand) of people accompaning. Panonnia with a few German and Slovene people; Ogri try to settle in the land of Voger Orzag (kingdom).

401. Atila destroys Sisek, crosses Slovene lands, crosses Latin lands to France. Rules for 44 years.

429. Jerome, doctor Slovene, dies in Bethlehem, but glagolic book and letter he saves.

683. Trebelin becomes Slovene and Bolgarian king.

744. Huns and Ogri attack again, in front of them were seven dukes, Almi,Zabolc, Guila, Keeund, Lehel, Berbulcho, Vurs, staying in Ierdele, that is why the Germans call that area the area of the Seven Tents.

747. Dominik Monagar Slovene becomes the sixth duke of Venice and Herceg.

832. Gestimul king, Rabamus doctor.

928. Heneti named Sloveni defeated in Germany.

1035. Mihal IV. becomes ceasar in Carigrad. Hungarian king Stefan attacks duke of Smedereusko and Slovene Cean in Herceg land.

1080. Ladislav I. adds Croatia and Dalmatia to Voger Kingdom, defending Hungary from Tatars.

1455. Mahumet Ottoman with four hundred lakes of soldiers attacks Belgrade.

1478. The Ottoman cross Croatia, take twenty lakes of slaves.

1484. Seventeen lakes of them return and take ten lakes of lifes.

1488. Styria and Duchy Krein ask king Matthias for peace.

1537. Ivan Kocjan brings Ferdinand's army. The Ottoman among others defeat count Latron who came with Spanish and Latin soldiers.

1538. Pope asks for a ten year truce between Karel and the French king.

1545. The Ottoman robbing and destroying in Slovene lands are called Petrush and King's Turks. Most people are taken from the area of river Krka.

1551. Vlam Beg attacking castles.

1565. Twenty seven lakes of Mustafa Sokolovich soldiers killed.

1570. Great famine.

1573. Peasant uprising.

1575. Bosan Beg kills Herbart Auersperg, takes many heads and slaves.

Sort of.

[ygalg1]

if that gospel is in Greek that would be another can worm opener

[Mediocrates]

Why? Greek was the lingua franca of the time. Even most Jewish writings from the period of 200BCE to the middle of the 1st cent. CE are in Greek. In fact Hillel says 'write in Hebrew or Greek', not Aramaic.

[Zlatorog]

It's a chronology by some Vatican scholar who got married and his main concern became history here - places that were wiped out for some reason.
Slovene could have meant people of the word, or glorious people, or people using other than latin... But then he starts using that name for this territory only. It's useful for those who like battles and old dialects. I just took a few sentences out of context and didn't pay much attention to it's accuracy. I can understand it, but only a handful of scholars can translate or comment on it.

[ygalg1]

Why? Greek was the lingua franca of the time. Even most Jewish writings from the period of 200BCE to the middle of the 1st cent. CE are in Greek. In fact Hillel says 'write in Hebrew or Greek', not Aramaic.

according to some Muslims, the original Gospel written in Aramaic.

[Neubill]

according to some Muslims, the original Gospel written in Aramaic.

Not being nitpicky, but I'm assuming you mean the original Gospel in the plural sense.

The accounts of Mattityahu and Yochanan would likely be in Aramaic or Hebrew, but I doubt the account of Luke (Lucas) was written in any language but Greek, considering he was addressing Theophilus. I'm not sure about Mark, though.

[Mil]

if that gospel is in Greek that would be another can worm opener

"That" gospel is in Yiddish. Written by a known local drunk Rebbi Shmulik in 100AD.

[Uriel]

excuse me...i might be stupdid....but wasn't yddish "invented" a few hundred years ago by the jews from germany? and isn't yddish smth lik hebrew+german? how could it be written by some drunk rabbi in YDDISH in 100ad ?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Mil]

za gizund

[Uriel]

ulai ata beemet metumtam....ya shakran ve al dabri yddish, yesh lanu medina achshav, talmed ivrit :P