Is Islam the true enemy of peace?

[Rafman]

Originally posted by Ahmed.M.K
hi ..

see .. put ur self in a place of arabiam .. usee an arabian land stolen than every 1 says the arabs are terrorists cos they attacked isreal ..wut u think u will do ?? (& remmeber u cant say that arabs r anti-semetic cos the arabs them selv's r semetic's)
ok here is my point islam is true peacful religion but peace dosent protects any thing .so ... u must do something to protect yourself asthe da Quran says .. i hope u understand me

lol no offence but i just cant stand when people say something as ridiculous as "Arabs are semetics so they ant be antisemitic"

Whats so special about the word antisemitic anyways? Fine, if you want Arab to be called Semitics, rendering them incapable of being called antisemitic, how about we just say that most Arabs are anti-Jewish, anti-jews, anti-israel....?

Calling Arabs semites doesn't protect them in the least from being seen as anti-jewish, anti-israeli...? whats the point?

[Mediocrates]

I can't be a misanthrope because I am in fact a human being.

[Ahmed.M.K]

Originally posted by Rafman


lol no offence but i just cant stand when people say something as ridiculous as "Arabs are semetics so they ant be antisemitic"

Whats so special about the word antisemitic anyways? Fine, if you want Arab to be called Semitics, rendering them incapable of being called antisemitic, how about we just say that most Arabs are anti-Jewish, anti-jews, anti-israel....?

Calling Arabs semites doesn't protect them in the least from being seen as anti-jewish, anti-israeli...? whats the point?

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool..hehehe i didnt mean this thing lol
see most of jews say ur anti semetic also to da arabs , so i was saying this not diffrent !! .. did u get me

[Mediocrates]

Uh no.

[Ahmed.M.K]

good

[ibrodsky]

Neither Islam nor Arabs are inherently bad.

Islam, however, is in desperate need of modernization. Like Judiasm and Christianity, Islam is subject to interpretation. Unfortunately, while Judaism and Christianity were profoundly changed by Maimonides, Aquinas, and The Enlightment, Islam is hardly different today from Islam of the 7th century.

The first step is for Muslim leaders to admit that Islam has a unique problem in that many of the world's terrorists and totalitarians claim their actions are not only consistent with Islam but required by it. While they do not represent the majority of Muslims, they represent a very large minority.

Among Arabs, like any other ethnic group, one finds the complete range of opinions. There are Arabs who support terrorism against Jews and Arabs who support Israel.

The biggest problem facing Arab countries are the dictators that keep them backwards -- often despite vast oil wealth. Just as Islam needs to be modernized, the Arab world needs to create an organized democracy movement. Many Arabs blame their dictators and/or Israel for their problems; their energy would be better directed towards fighting for individual rights, universal sufferage, equality before the law for everyone, and true freedom of speech.

[ibrodsky]

Look in the dictionary: the word "anti-semitic" means harboring animosity towards Jews.

The much parrotted Arab comeback -- "I can't be anti-semitic because I'm a semite" -- is just a rhetorical gimmick. There is widespread and deep-rooted hatred of Jews in the Arab world. It is not just criticism of Israel, as some claim, but good 'ol fashion intolerance and bigotry.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Ahmed.M.K
good

Flaming troll?

[Rafman]

just another thing about what i said, and this isnt to flame Ahmed so dont take it personally but...

When Jews say Arabs are antisemitic, and then they respond by saying that arabs are semitic too so they cant be antiseitic it just proves how Arabs will stop at nothing to oppose Israel no matter how lame and stupid it is. I can almost garantee everyone that there isn't one Jewish person in the world who cares whether we call Arabs antisemitic or anti-Jewish instead.

Whats the point of even arguing it? Being a semite doesn't mean you are not racist against the Jews, and spread hatred towards the Jewish people...

When someone is labelled antisemite, it means he is anti-Jewish. You don't like the word anti-semite? Then you are simply anti-Jewish....no difference....

[elke]

Originally posted by Ahmed.M.K
hi ..

see .. put ur self in a place of arabiam .. usee an arabian land stolen than every 1 says the arabs are terrorists cos they attacked isreal ..wut u think u will do ?? (& remmeber u cant say that arabs r anti-semetic cos the arabs them selv's r semetic's)
ok here is my point islam is true peacful religion but peace dosent protects any thing .so ... u must do something to protect yourself asthe da Quran says .. i hope u understand me

OK, Ahmed. Done. Now try to put yourself in the place of the Jews. You have been kicked out of your land. For 2000 years you were wandering the world, getting the **** kicked out of you by all these other people, any time they felt their lot was too hard. Finally comes the mother of all kicks - full 1/3 of your nation is brutally and methodically exterminated in a period of less than 15 years. As you so eloquently put it: "you must do something to protect yourself", no?

Continue...You come back to where you came from, trying to build a society that would protect you, and trying to be friends with your neighbors. Instead, your neighbors refuse any overtures you make, and attack you en masse. Again, "you must do something to protect yourself", no?

Now, you get strong enough to protect yourself. You win wars, build an economy on a par with a Western European nation, and all that under the gun of the suicide murderers who decided that your children and elderly are not worthy of living. Again, "you must do something to protect yourself", no?

You see, it cuts both ways. If you really, truly want to do something about the situation, get a peace movement going !

[WithinMySelf]

Originally posted by trainspotter18
The evils done to the Jews does not justify the evil they did to the Palestinians.

THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR AN EVIL ACT

Indeed…

Originally posted by SteveMetch
Is Islam the true enemy of peace?

Not at all!

Islam is peace!!
Muslims greet each other and others by saying; “peace be upon you”.
When we enter a Majlis (a big special room in every Arabic house, made for guests), we say: “peace be upon you all”…
We then replay for both greetings by: “and peace, God’s merci and blessings upon you too”.
When we finish praying, we look to our right shoulder and say: “peace, God’s merci and blessings upon you” to greet the angle who writes the good deeds. Then we repeat it again to greet the other one on our left shoulder, the angle who writes our bad doings.
When we come near graves, we say: “peace be upon you people of the graves, you are the formers and we are the followers”.
When we refer to any prophet, we say: “peace be upon him”.
And more…
…
So, no, Islam not the enemy of peace, nor Jews or any other ethnic groups.
I know one enemy for humans, which takes many forms…
Eblees (Satan), the coursed one who tricked our greet father Adam by encouraging him to eat the forbidden apple…
He is the true enemy of peace.
Can you fight him?
Do you have the proper weapon to fight him?
As for us, the final celestial religion, Islam, is the best weapon.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by WithinMySelf


Islam is peace!!
Muslims greet each other and others by saying; “peace be upon you”.
When we enter a Majlis (a big special room in every Arabic house, made for guests), we say: “peace be upon you all”…
We then replay for both greetings by: “and peace, God’s merci and blessings upon you too”.
When we finish praying, we look to our right shoulder and say: “peace, God’s merci and blessings upon you” to greet the angle who writes the good deeds. Then we repeat it again to greet the other one on our left shoulder, the angle who writes our bad doings.
When we come near graves, we say: “peace be upon you people of the graves, you are the formers and we are the followers”.
When we refer to any prophet, we say: “peace be upon him”.
And more…
…
So, no, Islam not the enemy of peace, nor Jews or any other ethnic groups.

The test of authenticity is not what you say but what you do.

I know one enemy for humans, which takes many forms…
Eblees (Satan), the coursed one who tricked our greet father Adam by encouraging him to eat the forbidden apple…
He is the true enemy of peace.
Can you fight him?
Do you have the proper weapon to fight him?
As for us, the final celestial religion, Islam, is the best weapon.

Perhaps the Arabs who drove airplanes into the World Trade Center and killed 3,000 people -- some of them Muslims -- were doing a good deed. Or maybe they were tricked by Satan into doing evil.

Can you figure out which explanation makes most sense?

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by trainspotter18
Elke, u conveniently left out the part where you go to a land where people are already living, you diplace hundreds of thousands of them, change the demographics of the region, and expect the otherside to leave with a smile on their face.

You conveniently left out the part about how when the Zionists first arrived in the 1890s there were something like 90,000 Arabs living in what became Israel. Palestine was ruled by the Ottoman Empire which collapsed during WW 1, and the British took over.

Many Arabs immigrated and in-migrated to the Jewish area. 70% of the land belonged not to the Arabs or Jews, but to the State.

In 1947, there were 600,000 Jews living in what become Israel, and 350,000 Arabs. The Arabs rejected the two-state solution and denied Jews their right to self-determination.

They have been attacking Israel almost continuously since 1948. They have embraced terrorism against innocent civilians... what General Zinni rightly characterized as "the most profound evil." Their supporters in Saudi Arabia flew two jet planes into office buildings killing 3,000 innocent Americans.

Now, tell us again who is evil?

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by trainspotter18

first of all ur rebuttal wasn't relevant to my post which u were responding to.

The fact that you don't know what you are talking about does not get you off the hook:

1. Jews have lived continuously in Israel since it was founded 3,000 years ago.
2. By 1850, Jews were the majority in Jerusalem.
3. When modern Zionists began arriving in the 1890s, "Palestine" was very sparsely populated. The area that later became Israel contained fewer than 100,000 Arabs. Your claim that "hundreds of thousands" of people were displaced is false.

To be more precise, the Arab population in Jewish settled areas in 1893 was 92,300.

The fact of the matter is that Jews migrated in mass to a land already occupied by another people. The people already living there didn't want them there. Many of the original inhabitants were forcibly kicked out. All of them saw their native land completely transformed by these invaders (into a 'Jewish' state).

More accurately: The fact of the matter is that Arabs migrated in mass to a land already occupied by another people. The people already living there didn't want them there. Many of the original inhabitants were forcibly kicked out. All of them saw their native land completely transformed by these invaders (into an 'Arab' state).

THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR AN EVIL ACT[/b]

Well, there are many Palestinians and their supporters who feel that evil acts are justified. In fact, they have built an entire culture around encouraging, supporting, and glorifying evil.

It's amazing that to Palestinian supporters a small strip of land is more important than human lives. Particularly given that those complaining that tiny strip of land was "stolen" came from a different place (Arabia) and already possess 99% of the land in the region.

What bothers Palestinians and their supporters is that Jews could have any land in their ancient homeland. After all, how can Muslims rebuild their glorious empire with this glaring reminder that they are not all-powerful?

This is the real problem. Pan-Arabists and Islamists dream of conquest, destroying the West, and imposing Islamic rule on non-Muslims. The fact that Jews exercised their right to self-determination right in the middle of the hoped for, reconstituted Islamic Empire is an affront to the Islamists' infantile sense of manhood.