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    Israeli quotes about Palestinians

    I don't know if they're true or not, but if real than it's absolutely shocking, and further proove that the real goal of the 1949 etnic cleansing and the 1967 war was the establishment of a racist Eretz Israel and not security. It certainly equals the recent quotes of Iranian president or Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel in evilness.

    "1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies? Not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbours here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."

    Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post,
    May 10, 2001

    2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".

    ... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

    3. "[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs."

    Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

    4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."

    Israeli Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

    5. "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."

    Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

    6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

    Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.

    7. "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed."

    Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

    8. "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war."

    Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

    9. "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

    David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

    9a. Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return....The old will die and the young will forget."

    10. "We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves."

    Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

    11. "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people, control America and the Americans know it."

    - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, speaking to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.

    12. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."

    Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

    13. "We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinian refugees] never do return."

    David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

    15. "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

    David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

    16. "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

    Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

    17. "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, what is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'"

    Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs,
    published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

    18. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters"

    Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

    19. "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. [i] tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary."

    Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

    20. "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them."

    Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.



    21. "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly."

    Theodor Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine, Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

    22. "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail"

    -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994
    [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]"

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    physics
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    If you replace the words Arabs/Palestinians with terrorists, then all of the quotes are justified. For every single Arab/Palestinian that is involved in terrorism, this is certainly justified.

    For every single Arab/Palestinian that is not affiliated with terrorism, then the comments are not justified.

    I see these comments directed at the terrorists.

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    tandem
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    some quotes are not true, such as the one ariel sharon made about jews controlling america. moreover, if you noticed many of these quotes are based on third person reports - meaning the person who purportedly said those things never said it to us or in public so that we know for a fact that it's true. it's all based on what the person reporting on that person is saying that that person said. go figure if the things said are even true or just sensationalized journalism. some quotes, like the ones golda made, are true and public domain in that there is no palestinian identity and that there is no "palestinian" nation to return the territories to. she really did say these things and she's absolutely right.

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    physics
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    These quotes are popular prapoganda tools used on Al-Jazeera. The Jew haters are gullible and will take the quotes seriously and manipulate them.

    I truly doubt the reality of most of the comments. Reporters could have omitted terrorists from "Palestinian/Arab terrorists" and then it becomes nothing more than prapoganda.

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    sharonbn
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    sounds to me like propaganda, and a poor one at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by takeo
    I don't know if they're true or not, but if real than it's absolutely shocking
    If you don't know if they are true, why bother posting?
    “This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.”

    Khaled Mashaal, Hamas leader

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    physics
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    Womble

    If you don't know if they are true, why bother posting?
    Because Jew haters will use every chance to hurt us. Posting something while having uncertainties is ridiculous.

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    Toga
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    .....with Jews like takeo who needs enemies? He has posted the innuendos without any source or facts. It is sick but that is nothing new. The German nazis created a Kapo contingent. It is always comical to listen to the Arab propagandists creating a make-belief and presenting it as something real/factual.

    The moral, ethical, peaceful, tolerant Jews have nothing to be ashamed of. Our ancestors did not deport the French to Auschwitz. Our ancestors did not mob the Eglish but the English mob attacked the Jews. The Jews are not blowing up the kindergartens in Jenin. It is the Europeans and our Arab adversaries who should have a problem with their bloody past and violent record..

    Had the Europeans or Arabs treated the Jews just 10 times worse than the Jews treated the Arabs/Europeans there would have been a lot more Jews alive today.

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    Toga
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    Quote Originally Posted by physics
    Because Jew haters will use every chance to hurt us. Posting something while having uncertainties is ridiculous.
    A sick puppy of French nationality comes here for one reason only: to throw dirt at the Jews and test the Jewish tolerance.

    Well...unlike the Arabs who were burning the European embassies because they disliked the cartoons the Jews will tolerate the French trash.

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    CoinToss
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    @takeo

    T'as pas autre chose à faire que d'emmerder les juifs, espèce de connasse ?
    De toute facon on va bien finir par les renvoyer chez eux tous tes bougnoules.
    Du Maroc à l'Irak, ils occupent les terres kurdes, juives, berberes, coptes, kabyle. L'heure viendra ou les peuples se leveront et l'opression arabe prendra fin.

    Arab opression is going to end soon, very soon !

    Kurds people, kabyle people, berberian peoples, copts, black slaves in Soudan, get up, break your chains !

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    23. "One billion Arabs is not worth a Jewish foreskin" - Cointoss(2006)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeo
    I don't know if they're true or not, but if real than it's absolutely shocking, and further proove that the real goal of the 1949 etnic cleansing and the 1967 war was the establishment of a racist Eretz Israel and not security. It certainly equals the recent quotes of Iranian president or Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel in evilness.
    Whether true or not, these quotes certainly don't prove anything about ethnic cleansing. Some are probably true but quoted out of context, some are probably not accurate, some are made by extremists and some are probably true and mean exactly what one reads into them. Those one's in particular are not unique to Israel's leaders. They are similar to, Churchill's famous rallying speech to his people following the outbreak of WW2 and other similar quotes of his, for example:
    You ask, what is our policy? I can say: It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us; to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark, lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy

    Now let's compare the Israeli quotes to the ones made by Arab leaders:
    "Kill a settler every day.... Shoot at settlers everywhere.... Woe to you if you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads.... I want you to kill as many settlers as possible.... Do not pay attention to what I say to the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions that you receive from me."
    - Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July 2001
    "I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?"
    - Yasser Arafat
    "There is no such country [as Palestine]! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria."
    - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, a local Arab leader, to the Peel Commission, 1937
    "Palestine was part of the Province of Syria... politically, the Arabs of Palestine were not independent in the sense of forming a separate political entity."
    - The representative of the Arab Higher Committee to the United Nations submitted this in a statement to the General Assembly in May 1947
    "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria."
    - Ahmed Shuqeiri, later the chairman of the PLO, to the UN Security Council
    "The Oslo accords were a Trojan Horse; the strategic goal is the liberation of Palestine from the [Jordan] river to the [Mediterranean] sea"
    - Faysal Al-Husseini, Palestinian Authority Minister for Jerusalem Affairs, in his last interview, 'Al-Arabi' daily newspaper (Egypt), June 24, 2001
    "After the Palestinian state wins recognition from most of the nations of the world, as expected, the Israeli presence on Palestinian lands will become illegal and we will fight this with weapons. The battle against the Israeli forces is a right reserved to us."
    - Farouk Radoumi, head of the PLO's diplomatic desk, in PA newspaper, AL HAYAT AL-JADEEDA, October 15, l998
    "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them."
    - Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council
    The Arab intention was expressed publicly by Azzam Pasha, Secretary General of the Arab League on May 15 1948: "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." In other words, the Arabs threatened not just murder of individuals but of a nation, namely, genocide.
    Last but not least, Takeo, you forgot to present this famous quote from Golda:
    "We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children.... We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."
    - Golda Meir
    Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem.
    Author: John Galsworthy 1867-1933, British Novelist, Playwright

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    Here
    is the real "Palestinians are two-legged beasts" Begin quote (note: he doesn't mention or even refer to "Palestinians")-

    The children of Israel will happily go to school and joyfully return home, just like the children in Washington, in Moscow, and in Peking, in Paris and in Rome, in Oslo, in Stockholm and in Copenhagen. The fate of... Jewish children has been different from all the children of the world throughout the generations. No more. We will defend our children. If the hand of any two-footed animal is raised against them, that hand will be cut off, and our children will grow up in joy in the homes of their parents.


    Here is Camera on the Raffi Eitan quote:


    "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours."


    Source given: Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces, in articles by Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot April 13, 1983 and in New York Times, April 14, 1983

    Investigation: The quote does not appear in either article. While both sources discuss comments made by then-outgoing Chief of Staff Eitan, there is nothing remotely resembling this quote. A wider search of the New York Times archives, also turns up nothing.


    The Katsav quote

    There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies – not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy.


    Source given: Israeli president Moshe Katsav, Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001

    Investigation: While nothing was found in the source given, there was an account in the following day’s edition of the Jerusalem Post. When examined in context, it no longer sounds racist. Katsav was specifically talking about the brutal murders by Palestinian terrorists of two young schoolboys. The remains of Kobi Mandel and Yossi Ish-Ran, who had played hooky from school to explore a cave, were found on May 9, 2001. The Jerusalem Post clearly placed Katsav’s words in that context:

    President Moshe Katsav said yesterday that Israel would never stoop to the brutality the Palestinians displayed in the stoning to death of two Tekoa teenagers this week.

    "There is a huge gap between us and our enemies - not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience," Katsav told reporters at Beit Hanassi.

    "We would never stoop to the kind of brutality inflicted on the victims in Tekoa and Ofra," he added. "They're our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who don't belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy."

    Katsav said Israel must change its approach to the Palestinians, but stopped short of voicing exactly what that new approach should be -- although he appeared to imply that retaliation is at times necessary.

    "Force is no solution to anything," he said, "but sometimes it's essential."

    Referring to the brutal murders of two young boys from Tekoa, Katsav said he is sure there are Palestinians and other Moslems who oppose terrorism, but it was terrifying to realize how much cruelty and hatred the Palestinians harbor against Israelis. (Jerusalem Post, May 11, 2001)


    Summary: Misrepresentation of comments by removal of context.


    The Ariel Sharon "we control America" quote -


    As it turns out, it is a hoax. Sharon never made either statement. Nor did Kol Yisrael ever report that he did.

    Yet syndicated columnist Georgie Anne Geyer wrote in her May 10, 2002 opinion column, which appeared in the Chicago Tribune, San Diego Tribune, and other newspapers:

    In fact, it [American support for Israel’‘s actions] led Prime Minister Sharon to tell his Cabinet recently, "I control America."

    Where did this quote originate and how did it enter the mainstream media?

    CAMERA’s investigation found that it started with an October 3, 2001 press release from the pro-Hamas group, IAP – the Islamic Association for Palestine, which attributed the quote to a report on “the Israeli Hebrew radio, Col [sic] Yisrael.”

    In fact, Kol Yisrael political correspondent Yoni Ben-Menachem, who reports on Cabinet meetings, confirmed to CAMERA that he never made such a broadcast and that Sharon never made such a statement. Nor was it reported by any other news service.

    When confronted, Geyer told one editor that she relied on two anonymous Israeli sources for the quotation. She told a second editor the quote came from an alleged Ha’aretz article which she never produced and could not be found. A subsequent editor’s note by Geyer’s United Press Syndicate claimed the quote was widely reported in the Palestinian press (i.e. the IAP, which cited the bogus Kol Yisrael source) but could not be confirmed by independent sources.

    Indeed for many, the Internet has completely replaced libraries, reference books, and original research as a source of information. This reliance on unregulated, unaccountable sources has boosted the proliferation of misinformation and bogus quotes. And when they are repeated by journalists, albeit those with radical anti-Israel agendas, few are willing to search deeper.

    The CAMERA staff has researched many of the alleged quotes. Part I of our series on misquotes examines quotes that fall into three categories: 1) fabricated; 2) misattributed and 3) taken out of context.


    And so on and so forth. I'm sure you all get the point

  14. #14
    Leon
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    Quote Originally Posted by takeo
    I don't know if they're true or not, but if real than it's absolutely shocking, and further proove that the real goal of the 1949 etnic cleansing and the 1967 war was the establishment of a racist Eretz Israel and not security. It certainly equals the recent quotes of Iranian president or Hamas calls for the destruction of Israel in evilness.
    No what is shocking, is your sinister manipulation of the truth. All the quotes serve as further proof that the pro-Palestinian organisations and activists are waging a campaign of complete lies, misinformation and distortion.

    What is also schocking is your complete over looking of the incitment to murder & hate of Jews which is all too prevalent in the mainstream media in the Arab world, not to mention the constant statements made by Arab/Palestinian politicians and religious leaders. Not only do you over look what is said, but you completley magnify, exaggerate & even falsify the so called incitment of Israeli leaders as seen in all your previous postings.

    Nevertheless, sorry if I interrupted anything. Please continue posting bullsht ('scuse the French).

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    takeo

    Leon took on most of the quotes however there are a few that you ask about, that I would like to adress.

    [Quote]"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed."

    Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969[Quote]

    That is actually true. There has never been a nation called "Palestine", nor has there ever been a distinct Palestinian People. In 1967 they were Jordanians with Jordanian Citizenship. I also must ask you this. Why the name "West Bank" since the "West Bank" is East, not West of Israel. What was the currency of "Palestine" Florin, Byzant, Pound? I forgot all of those were used in the region, however there is no such thing as a "Palestinian Currency" because long before the creation of Israel there was no unique thing called Palestine, unless of course you count the Crusader States which had Coins with the Cross and the pictures of the rulers.

    Quote6. "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."

    Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.Quote

    Again that is a true statement that reflects accurately the politics of the time. Jordan was a great supporter of the Three Nos (No Peace, Recognition, or Negotiations with Israel), as was Egypt, and the PLO which untill three years before that had renounced it's claims to Gaza Strip and the West Bank. To put it simply there was no Peace Partner.

    On the rest just read Leon's earlier post, unless you are willing to argue that Nasser wanted Peace.

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