Arabs are not the enemy, Islam is the enemy

[James]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NoLiMiT-SoulJah
[B]First of all - let us see what you refer to when discussing the religion of Islam...


"Always Judge a religion by its Scripture - Never by its people!"

Let me see if i understand your treatise, correct any inconsistency.
You believe allah is the one. There is no god but he,most gracious,
most merciful.

Muhammad chose the religion of his tribe. They worshipper allah,
the moon-god idol who is called the one god. He declares himself
be allah's prophet. The cresent moon symbol is used in islam.

allah (moon-god) marries sun-goddess and they have three
(goddesses) called Al-lat, Al-uzza and Manat. These also became idols and are worshipped as "Daughters of Allah."

Allah is an idol and the religion is called islam.

[elke]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
90% of who you are is dictated by the environment you were raised in not your genes. As such one can not ascribe a particular set of behaviors to an ethnic group like Arab.

What defines your belief systems was programmed beginning at birth. One critical belief system that all people have is called religion or lack thereof. All religions contain foundational assumptions that can not be proven or disproven. From these base assumptions religions weave a web of logic that helps explain and organize more complex social behaviors and belief systems. The concepts of democracy and capitalism are simple more compatible with Judeo/Christian belief system than Islam. As such Muslims cannot adopt democracy and capitalism and still remain Muslims.

Very well put, but I have to disagree somewhat. First of all, it is not yet clear just how much of our behavior is determined genetically vs. environmentally. Some distinguished scientists believe that as much as 50% of who we are is genetically pre-programmed.

The other part I disagree with is that democracy and capitalism are more compatible with Judeo/Christian beliefs. These beliefs were adapted to become compatible with democracy and capitalism. Christian Europe did not become democratic until relatively recently. In fact, Christianity was used to support the power of the autocratic thrones and feudal economic system throughout the Middle Ages, and even beyond. What has happened to Christianity is Enlightenment. Islam, for various reasons, is still awaiting its Enlightners, and that's the difference.

[christian]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
90% of who you are is dictated by the environment you were raised in not your genes. As such one can not ascribe a particular set of behaviors to an ethnic group like Arab.

What defines your belief systems was programmed beginning at birth. One critical belief system that all people have is called religion or lack thereof. All religions contain foundational assumptions that can not be proven or disproven. From these base assumptions religions weave a web of logic that helps explain and organize more complex social behaviors and belief systems. The concepts of democracy and capitalism are simple more compatible with Judeo/Christian belief system than Islam. As such Muslims cannot adopt democracy and capitalism and still remain Muslims.

All the religion in the world contains literature against another sterotyping group. Throughout the centuries, people commits genocide to another race in the name of religion, justifying their morality cause.


Judaism- Don't spare one cannaties in the land of Israel

Christianty- converts all the jews

Islam- converts all the infidel

Hindu- kills the islam

It is very unfair to perceive people, basing on religion. What works 2000 years ago. It doesn't work in this space of time.

The correct criticism against islamic countries and his people, should be based upon poverty, dictatorship, corruption, uneducation, application of outdated islamic law, human rights and standard of living. Any other criticism against islam, is just a biased one sided point of view.

If your statement is true. Malaysia wouldn't be a wealthy country today. Turkey wouldn't be a secular nation. It will be another third world islamic country, calling in the name of jihad.

[danholo]

Christian:

"Judaism- Don't spare one cannaties in the land of Israel"

There was a reason for this. The reason was that these people were immoral idol worshippers. They had immoral ideas, like having sex with their sisters and these people were to be expelled from the land so that ideas would not contaminate the minds of the Israelites.
It's not of hatred toward the people, it's hatred towards what they believe in. Of course the Torah tells us to treat the foreigner the same way as any other fellow Israelite, but if this foreigners ideas are antithetical to the ways of the Israelites, he is not to be tolerated. These "bad" people, killed each other in revenge, worshipped idols, had sex with anyone or thing that moved, killed people for nothing, stole others posessions. If these kind of people are to be respected then why do we bother at all.

[elke]

Chanaanites had a god called Moloch, who required sacrifice of small children in its fiery throat. This was the "abomination" that really got the Hebrews up in arms.

In addition, the Chanaanites practiced ritual prostitution, which also made the Hebrews...uncomfortable

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
90% of who you are is dictated by the environment you were raised in not your genes. As such one can not ascribe a particular set of behaviors to an ethnic group like Arab.

What defines your belief systems was programmed beginning at birth. One critical belief system that all people have is called religion or lack thereof. All religions contain foundational assumptions that can not be proven or disproven. From these base assumptions religions weave a web of logic that helps explain and organize more complex social behaviors and belief systems. The concepts of democracy and capitalism are simple more compatible with Judeo/Christian belief system than Islam. As such Muslims cannot adopt democracy and capitalism and still remain Muslims.

I have to disagree somewhat because, I grew up being taught not to hate anyone, and that everyone is good. That was fine until I saw that most gentiles hate Jews, so I "defensivly hate" them back. If that makes any sense..

[christian]

Originally posted by danholo
Christian:

"Judaism- Don't spare one cannaties in the land of Israel"

There was a reason for this. The reason was that these people were immoral idol worshippers. They had immoral ideas, like having sex with their sisters and these people were to be expelled from the land so that ideas would not contaminate the minds of the Israelites.
It's not of hatred toward the people, it's hatred towards what they believe in. Of course the Torah tells us to treat the foreigner the same way as any other fellow Israelite, but if this foreigners ideas are antithetical to the ways of the Israelites, he is not to be tolerated. These "bad" people, killed each other in revenge, worshipped idols, had sex with anyone or thing that moved, killed people for nothing, stole others posessions. If these kind of people are to be respected then why do we bother at all.

Every religion has a full of reason against another religion.
Let me remind you that religion is a powerful political tool. Every religion is claiming their superiority over the others. This smoking screen is blinding our correct judgement.

Personally, I am a christian in christianty. However, I will never critize other religion, except the religion will creates social disorder like the cult. In this case,the "fundamentalist" islam is creating this problem. It is not the entire islamic world, that is creating this problem. If so, turkey will not be a main ally of Israel.

When christianty arrives in jerusalem. They slaugther jewish people. For the reason, the jewish people doesn't believe in Jesus.

In middle ages, Islam arrives in Afghastan, they slaugther all the buddhist. For the reason, the buddhist is a idol worshiper.

Judaism slaughter Cannaties, because the cannaites are idol worshipper.

" You must not spare one cannaties, when you enter the land of cannan. " Deurtonomy0

In fact, the bible repeatedly states the reason the genocide must be commited against cannaties, because they are idol worshipper.

If we dwell in the issue of religion. Both sides will come back to never ending game of religious history. The correct issue against islam should be poverty, education, dictatorship, outdated islamic law, social values, imperialsim,etc.

PS. It is not only the cannites, have sex with anyone in spiritual ritual. In israel or HK, An average 19 year old boy is still practicing sex in spiritual ritual. Sex itself is a spirtual ritual. Except, the boy is not religious.

[christian]

Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs


I have to disagree somewhat because, I grew up being taught not to hate anyone, and that everyone is good. That was fine until I saw that most gentiles hate Jews, so I "defensivly hate" them back. If that makes any sense..

Your support on your belief is very vague. It is only arabs country, carrying such a hate. In American, there aren't any problem with anti-semitism.

[James]

Islam wants to eliminate all infidels. To them, if you are not Muslim
you are their enemy. They have no problem killing anyone and
everyone standing in their way. They are very dangerous and should be placed somewhere safe for the rest of us.

[James]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by christian
[B]

Every religion has a full of reason against another religion.
Let me remind you that religion is a powerful political tool. Every religion is claiming their superiority over the others. This smoking screen is blinding our correct judgement.

Personally, I am a christian in christianty. However, I will never critize other religion, except the religion will creates social disorder like the cult. In this case,the "fundamentalist" islam is creating this problem. It is not the entire islamic world, that is creating this problem. If so, turkey will not be a main ally of Israel.


I think you are being naive. Do you think most of this world likes
Jews, Christians,etc.... Arab states want to control the world.
As you put it, idol worshipers. I agree, all idol worshipers should
be kept apart from us. Have you not heard, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

[danholo]

christian, did you completely ignore elke's post? If you think the Canaanites should've been tolerated just because of a different religion you're sick. People who do immoral acts, don't have the right to live!

christian:

"Your support on your belief is very vague. It is only arabs country, carrying such a hate. In American, there aren't any problem with anti-semitism."

You don't get it do you? I guess b/c you're not Jewish, you don't see it.
What do you think the KKK is or all the other Neo-Nazi groups in the USA?
Most rednecks in the south are anti-semites, in fact many people are anti-semites. The idea that Jews are the devil is so common in peoples mind's, it's amazing! Even on these board's they're so blinded by anti-semitism that everything that Israel does is bad.

If you've noticed, more anti-semites and racists are emerging. New Neo-Nazi groups get more and more support from "normal" people. In Russia the growing support for Neo-Nazi groups is frightening. We saw it in the soccer riots that happened a couple weeks ago. These riots are organized, organized by Neo-Nazis. There is a magazine called Searchlight that reports on these things. In Britain there are Neo-Nazis who organize these riots and there are pictures of these morons, and damn are the fat and ugly!

[christian]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by James
[B]

Originally posted by christian


Every religion has a full of reason against another religion.
Let me remind you that religion is a powerful political tool. Every religion is claiming their superiority over the others. This smoking screen is blinding our correct judgement.

Personally, I am a christian in christianty. However, I will never critize other religion, except the religion will creates social disorder like the cult. In this case,the "fundamentalist" islam is creating this problem. It is not the entire islamic world, that is creating this problem. If so, turkey will not be a main ally of Israel.


I think you are being naive. Do you think most of this world likes
Jews, Christians,etc.... Arab states want to control the world.
As you put it, idol worshipers. I agree, all idol worshipers should
be kept apart from us. Have you not heard, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"

Look! If you apply your philosphy on this strategic situation. You will only unite the arabs and islamic fundamentalism.
Is that what you want?

"A united front against western civilization in the name of allah" Osama Bin Ladin

Why don't you create division instead? Some moderate muslim like Turkey does support Israel. They trust Israel-turkey alliance.

[christian]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by danholo
[B]christian, did you completely ignore elke's post? If you think the Canaanites should've been tolerated just because of a different religion you're sick. People who do immoral acts, don't have the right to live!


Let me answer your comment with a question.

Is it moral to have 60 wives 2000 years ago?Yes
Is it moral to have 60 wives right now? No

What is moral 2000 years ago. It is not legitimate anymore.

Read my post correctly.

I never discredits ELke comments. It is her opinion.




christian:

"Your support on your belief is very vague. It is only arabs country, carrying such a hate. In American, there aren't any problem with anti-semitism."

You don't get it do you? I guess b/c you're not Jewish, you don't see it.
What do you think the KKK is or all the other Neo-Nazi groups in the USA?

I am not jews. I am chinese. I do experience what you experience in the east pacific coast.

WWII-jewish Holocaust
WWII-chinese holocaust

Most rednecks in the south are anti-semites, in fact many people are anti-semites. The idea that Jews are the devil is so common in peoples mind's, it's amazing! Even on these board's they're so blinded by anti-semitism that everything that Israel does is bad.

Lol.
The natives(redneck) are not only against jews. They hates every white race on American. They blame everything on white people. There is only few indian reserve in America.

The native indian is a extinct race.



If you've noticed, more anti-semites and racists are emerging. New Neo-Nazi groups get more and more support from "normal" people. In Russia the growing support for Neo-Nazi groups is frightening. We saw it in the soccer riots that happened a couple weeks ago. These riots are organized, organized by Neo-Nazis. There is a magazine called Searchlight that reports on these things. In Britain there are Neo-Nazis who organize these riots and there are pictures of these morons, and damn are the fat and ugly!

Neo-Nazi is not only targeting Jews. They also targets any non-white. They attacks blacks and other visible minority.

Where have you been ? Le Pen is making the issues out of the arabs and visible minority migrants. They have much more fear than jewish people.

In fact, the most powerful position in American is jews. (remember Clinton. HE does have jewish blood in him) In France, the powerful position financial secretary and Prime minister are jewish decendent.

In britain, there is some powerful jewish, holding the position.(former foreign secretary)

[Mediocrates]

You have an idiomatic American English language gap. Redneck is a (politically correct) racist slur about poor white people (aka white trash).

At any rate, whatever your value system we share things and have shared things over the past two thousand years or so which are fairly constant. If you look in the Mish Patim or Jewish (civil) code you'll the origins of things like:

no child sacrifice
no adultery
no rape, murder or stealing
and so on. Within those broad parameters most people are free to do what they want, securlarly at any rate. But if you proposed that religious belief is a defence for any action you are flat out wrong. In India the Thuggee sect strangled people as part of their 'religious' beliefs. No one is seriously defending that any more than in the present day someone won't stand up to defend and protect children who are beaten, tortured or worse as part of some bizarre religious system. It's simply the way the non primitive world works.

[christian]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mediocrates
[B]You have an idiomatic American English language gap. Redneck is a (politically correct) racist slur about poor white people (aka white trash).
oppss

At any rate, whatever your value system we share things and have shared things over the past two thousand years or so which are fairly constant. If you look in the Mish Patim or Jewish (civil) code you'll the origins of things like:

no child sacrifice
no adultery
no rape, murder or stealing
and so on. Within those broad parameters most people are free to do what they want, securlarly at any rate. But if you proposed that religious belief is a defence for any action you are flat out wrong. In India the Thuggee sect strangled people as part of their 'religious' beliefs. No one is seriously defending that any more than in the present day someone won't stand up to defend and protect children who are beaten, tortured or worse as part of some bizarre religious system. It's simply the way the non primitive world works.

You are missing my point. What was morally right 2000 years ago, it is unapplicable in todays world.