From news article:
From news article:
Appeasement and genocide. The true great European crimes. The ones that they seemingly have not had the courage to really look in the face, accept, and learn from.
You really should brush up on your history. I hope you realise the people of Palestine fought bravely against nazi aggression, and were then cheated and betrayed by Britain, the United States and the United Nations.
that Britain took in more Jewish refuges than any other nation in Europe and pretty much stood alone against the Nazi's for over 2 years.
Yes, Britain followed a policy of appeasement for 2 years before it declared war on German in 1939 (notably Germany declared war on the USA, not the otherway round in 1941), so did the US follow a policy of appeasement - if so, isn't it about time it had the courage to face up to, accept and learn from?
Unfortunately, Britain did let the Palestinians down pretty badly after the war, but then that's something we've done around the world for a longtime before that.
What? The wartime leader of the Palestinians - the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, WAS a Nazi. He spent the war years in Berlin and was named a war criminal at Nuremberg.Originally Posted by Titus
Had the Germans won the war, he had every intention of bringing gas chambers back to Palestine to murder the thousands of Jews there.
was that before or after the 1929 pogroms?
Are you talking about those bloodthirsty arab mobs which massacred and raped helpless women and children in HÃ©bron ?Originally Posted by Mediocrates
How can you say such a thing in light of the outrageous and disgusting things that children get taught in Palestinian schools about Jews?Originally Posted by Titus
And are you denying that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a serious and commited Nazi?
LIE.Originally Posted by Titus
The Grand Mufit was in fact an inspiration for the Nazis, and the Arabs in general had Nazi support. Stop making things up.
http://www.farhud.org/mufti.htmlThe Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, the Chairman of the Arab Higher Committee collaborated with Nazi Germany during the Second World War. In 1940, he asked the Axis powers to acknowledge the Arab right, "to settle the question of Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries in accordance with the national and racial interests of the Arabs and along the lines similar to those used to solve the Jewish question in Germany and Italy." He spent the second half of WWII in Germany making radio broadcasts exhorting Muslims to ally with the Nazis in war against their common enemies. In one of these broadcasts, he said, "Arabs, arise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you."  In the immediate aftermath of the Holocaust, such statements by Arab leaders (along with the Mufti's violently antisemitic history) led to a widespread belief that the Israelis were facing a new â€œwarrant for genocide.â€
But...it was the Arabs who meant to exterminate the Jews. And the Arabs were not alone. The Nation, in 1948, publishing the official documents it had obtained, exposed that the US State Department supported, and the British Foreign Office sponsored, the Arab side in this war. This included the British sending captured Nazi officers to 'advise' the Arab armies. (2a)
Titus is just one more Pal Arab liar.
The local Arabs didn't allow anything, because they had no power to do so. They could agitate to try to persuade the sovereign (Turkey or Britain), but had no real power.
Nor did the Jews begin using "terror" to get their own state, as he tries to spin. Certain Jewish groups did attack British forces for a variety of reasons (ie. not letting Jews escape Europe to Palestine), but the Arabs, after at first being somewhat receptive to Jewish immigration in that it would help the economy, had some Pan Arab nationalism stirred up when they realized that the Jews meant to have their own state, and started opposing Jewish immigration both politically and through mass murder (the usual Arab tactic).
Too bad it was never their land to justify such an opposition tactic (anything more than political.)
The Arabs NEVER, NOT FOR ONE DAY, had sovereingty rights on "Palestine", which only existed when the British named it such (3 different Ottoman provinces). The Brits had EVERY RIGHT to allow immigration, EVERY RIGHT, to partition the land (as they did when they split off Jordan), and every DUTY to apportion the land in light of realities and demographics to allow each group to more or less rule themselves.
Strange isn't it, no one has attacked me for pointing out that those appeasing Europeans were fighting the Nazi's for over 2 years before the USA got involved in WWII and even then it took Hitler declaring war on the USA to drag the US in.
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What, the fact that the US has isolationist tendancies, especially after losing a lot of men in WW1, and didn't want to get involved in Europe's wars is weird to you?Originally Posted by David II
Oh, and the US was already supplying and supporting the allies from Day 1. It took JAPAN attacking the US for the US to come in, not Germany.
The rest of your post is merely opinion, which you are entitled to, but not particularly well stated, persuasive, or based on anything.
The question of whether the Nazi's would have lost the war if the US had not been involved, but Germany had still invaded Russia, is an unkown. Many people believe that Russia would eventually have won. Other believe that the Germans, not having to face a 2nd front on the West, would have been able to persevere.
Then there is also the fact that the Germans were closing in on the atom bomb.
So, who knows. Why this is relevant to this discussion... who knows.
My post above stands. The Arabs were more on the Nazi side than the allied side, although really they were mostly on their own side.
The Arabs were not cheated, and it was not, not had it been, "their land."
And the Jewish "terror" was not the terror of today, but merely guerilla strikes against military positions - nothing compared to the pogroms (real terror) of the Arabs against the Jews.
It is relevant to correct the myth that Europe is the appeasing Jew-hating place many on this sight portray it as being. Europe has a different take on things from the US, so what, that doesn't mean that most of us don't support Israel, its just that we question some of her actions.Originally Posted by MGB8
Although the RAF was backed heavily by the USA before we entered the war, and that backing was imperative for the RAF to continue during those two years.Originally Posted by David II
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