But as you (I think) said in another thread the Nazi leader of Palestine was expelled. Besides which he did not represent the majority of Palestinians. Israel allied with America to push its political and racist agendas. Same thing.
Home | But as you (I think) said in another thread the Nazi leader of Palestine was expelled. Besides which he did not represent the majority of Palestinians. Israel allied with America to push its political and racist agendas. Same thing.
No, Titus. Israel and America are allied to prevent Arab/Islamic Imperialism and Supremacism.Originally Posted by Titus
They are allied to stop YOUR racism.
You merely project what YOU ARE onto others. Its a nice defense mechanism, but it has nothing to do with reality.
The US and Israel are not trying to committ genocide. You know full well that if the Pal Arabs stopped attacking, they'd have a state - maybe not 100% of what they want, because that would at best seriously endanger or at worst destroy Israel - but something viable and solid.
But you would rather have them committ mass murder than compromise on the goal of the destruction of Israel.
The Jihadis, like Hezbollah and Hamas, are trying to committ genocide. Every day the attempt mass murder of non-combatatns. And you support them. What does that make you?
OK if the state of Palestine is created with equal territory of the state of Israel and Jerusalem is made an international city governed by the UN, fine.
TOO LATE.
The Arab REJECTED THAT, remember?
You can't reject, attack and attempt genocide, and then demand to go back to the thing you rejected.
No, their are consequences to the rejection and attack.
Of course, like spoiled children the Arab world has never been able to cope with the fact that their are consequences to their attempted murders. But they need to grow up sometime, or they will die in the process.
See, that is what is blocking peace now. That view point in Israel.
No.
What is blocking peace is Arab intransigence and a belief that the alternative to compromise is victory, because Israel will be restrained by others.
You, and others like you, equate peace essentially to Israeli surrender. Not going to happen. You will compromise, or you will die. Israel doesn't want to rule the Pal Arabs. It got out of Gaza. It got out of Lebanon. It was going to get out of 90% ish of the WB (who knows, now.) It has offered the pal Arabs a state.
No. You don't get to attempt mass murder with no consequence. Sorry. Life doesn't work that way. But your response is telling, and just confirms that you are indeed an evil person, who wants their to be no consequence on people attempting mass murder (so that they can attempt it again and again and again.)
Not going to happen.
Israel will exist... and should it ever fall, it will take the entire neighborhood with it (bye bye Mecca, Medina, Ridya, Damascus, Tehram, Cairo, Bagdad, Najaf, Qum and other Islamic holy cities.)
So you better get used to the Zionist entity existing in perpetuity. Once you accept that, then we can talk a reasonable peace.
You know Israel will eventually lose the war. You can kill terrorist forever, but it only takes one WMD to take out Israel. Israel cannot fight for eternity. And if Israel decided as a last effort to kill as many people as it could anti-semitism would become policy of most of the world. Goodbye Jewish race. As you said, there are consequences to mass murder.
Jewish people exist outside of Israel, idiot. And I thought you were against "collective punishment?" But Islam would sure die without the fifth pillar (no more Mecca). Much of the world would be relieved... Islam isn't exactly popular right now in the West, or Russia or China or Japan, due to Jihadists like oyurself.
Meanwhile, its you who wants to avoid consequences of attempted mass murder. But that's par for the course.
You want armagedon? Fine.
Isn't it nice to finally get to Titus core desire, though, the destruction of Israel. His last response, where he was confronted with the great cost of such a result, and tried to threaten against such a response, reveals him for what he is.
I made no threats, I stated the consequences of such a barbaric last action.
Good point. By the time American fighters and bombers entered the British defense team (late 1941), Germany had already declared war on and invaded the Soviet Union (May 1941). Germany was effectively defeated at this point because they were now forced to fight a war on 2 fronts. Britain had defended herself quite from Germany. Others: don't be fooled by what you read on the Luftwaffe's 'annihilation' of England. Yes, London was destroyed, but Hitler greatly feared having to invade Britain mainly for two reasons. Firstly, the British navy was far superior to any other in the world and an invasion of Britain meant that troops would have to be shipped via tumultuous seas. Secondly, had Hitler sent troops to Britian, he could no longer use them in other offesive/defensive tactics as Britian is disconnected from the rest of Europe. So regardless of how history has been rewritten, don't be fooled. Britian had no chance of being defeated by Germany - US or not.
And furthermore, to the others on this thread, don't be so quick to paint the US as a staunch enemy of Nazism. It is well documented the relationship that many major US firms (IBM, UBS Warburg...) had with the Nazis during their conquest. There were also numerous political leaders working closely with the Nazis as well. Some of them are very well known (Prescott Bush).
If anything, the US proved its economic might by sitting reluctantly on the sidelines in the name of arms dealing (boths sides German and British) while other nations sent their finest into the front lines to die. That it took a direct Japanese invasion on America's most prized naval base, amidst all of the atrocity going on for so many years, for the US to become anamoured with war is proof positive that America has little to brag about.
Titus, I think a lot of people, particularly in Europe now, often try to boil this conflict down into simple terms with a clear aggressor who has military superiority and a clear underdog whose land was stolen and is fighting back by the only means at their disposal. As in most long standing conflicts though, nothing about this is simple or straightforward. Both sides have blood on their hands.See, that is what is blocking peace now. That view point in Israel.
That said, I have trouble seeing how you think that the ability to make peace lies solely with Israel. Do you believe that if Israel were to offer an equitable deal that it would lead to a lasting peace? At one time I thought it would. I was greatly heartened by the plan to leave Gaza and the WB. But I have not seen much encoragement coming from the Palestinians after Israel made these concessions. Israel left Lebanon 6 years ago and the border was ratified by the UN. Why have they been attacking? It certainly is not a solidarity movement with the Palestinians, that's for sure. Lebanon has treated their own Palestinian population in a despicable manner for the sake of political gain.
I have no desire to see the Palestinians live as they do. But I think you are applying a double standard to this conflict. For the Palestinians, the ends justify the means. Yes Israel is expected to make great concessions despite being punished for the ones they have been making of their own accord.
Peace is available if the Palestinians want it. Just as Israel traded land for peace with Egypt they can do it here as well. Your argument would have more persuasiveness if Israel had not already successfully made peace with Jordan and Egypt. Or left Gaza and Lebanon and planned on leaving the WB as well. Or if they had not offered Arafat a better deal than anyone ever expected only to have the Palestinians react with an Intifada.
I hold no illusions that blame lies only with Israel, but it cannot be planted solely with the Palestinians. I said it was that view point, I shouldn't have specified in Israel as it applies just as much to Palestinians.
A divided state, if established, would obviously face teething problems and terrorism would not stop. But the terrorism must be faced and the general populace should not be punished.
I agree Titus. Israel can only know the peace and true freedom that she deserves if her nearest neighbours are democratic, stable and economically self-reliant.
Sadly thus far the Palestinians' leaders have squandered all chances for peace, albeit that Israel needs to offer more and show more self-restraint. The politics of the last 30 years have not brought peace, perhaps a new approach is required.
Palestinians were Nazi collaborators.
The good ole' Grand Mufti of Jerusalem teaching an SS soldier how to properly load that rifle and kill more Jews.
The Grand Mufti and Hitler were also best friends! Here they are hanging out in Berlin!
Link to the scaned photo of the letter: http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/app9a.jpgMinistry of Foreign Affairs
Berlin, April 28, 1942
Your Eminence:
In response to your letter and to the accompanying communication of His Excellency, Prime Minister Raschid Ali El Gailani, and confirming the terms of our conversation, I have the honour to inform you:
The German Government appreciates fully the confidence of the Arab peoples in the Axis Powers in their aims and in their determination to conduct the fight against the common enemy until victory is achieved. The German Government has the greatest understanding for the national aspirations of the Arab countries as have been expressed by you both and the greatest sympathy for the sufferings of your peoples under British oppression.
I have therefore the honour to assure you, in complete agreement with the Italian Government, that the independence and freedom of the suffering Arab countries presently subjected to British oppression, is also one of the aims of the German Government.
Germany is consequently ready to give all her support to the oppressed Arab countries in their fight against British domination, for the fulfillment of their national aim to independence and sovereignty and for the destruction of the Jewish National Home in Palestine.
As previously agreed, the content of this letter should be maintained absolutely secret until we decide otherwise.
I beg your Eminence to be assured of my highest esteem and consideration.
To His Eminence
(Signed) Ribbentrop
I wish that was it but the Arabs were pretty careless when it came to destroying the evidence of how deep they were in collaboration with the Nazi's.
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