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    Hebrew Swede
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    How Islam Deals With Sin

    In a video from Afghanistan, showing a suicide bombing, the Jihadi warrior, who is about to trade his miserable life on Earth and buy himself into paradise, through cold blooded murder, is asked what his final message to his brothers is. He responds by saying that he prays to All-h that they will forgive him, because he MAY have wronged one of them.

    That a Muslim spoke like this does not surprise me a bit, because this is how you ask for forgiveness in Islam. During Islamic prayer, a Muslim will say "Rabbi Ighfirli Warhamni", meaning "O my L-rd, forgive me." This is followed by a moment of silence and tranquility, whereupon the Muslim feels forgiven, for whatever sins he MAY have committed.

    Though this may seem simple and convenient to the Muslim, how can you really be sorry for a sin you haven’t acknowledged, much less be forgiven for it? Does anyone see the problem here? This means that one can commit awful sins everyday, be forgiven for it the same or following day and be considered a good Muslim all your life, as long as you just pray 5 times a day.

    Since you don’t have to acknowledge or be specific about what you’re asking forgiveness for, you can repeat the sin as often as you want, without ever feeling you’re deceiving G-d.

    To illustrate my point further, a Christian who has wronged somebody and is conscious about it and genuinely sorry, would go to church and confess his sin. Since he has pinpointed the exact sin committed and confessed, he cannot keep repeating the same sin over and over again, and act like he’s genuinely sorry. G-d will always know if he’s lying or telling the truth. By contrast, the Muslim plays it safe by not confessing his sins and therefore can never be accused by G-d of not being sincerely regretful.

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    andak01
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    You are as ignorant about Christianity as you are about Islam. But you certainly are inclined to spout your opinions of both as if they were facts. Protestants don't confess, they are "saved" by accepting Jesus. Jesus is said to have died for their sins.

    While it's true that Muslims ask forgiveness during our prayers, we have no guarantee that we are forgiven until the Day of Judgement. And in fact, both the Quran and the Hadith caution against asking forgiveness and repeating sins. That is the mark of a hypocrite. And a hypocrite is equal to a disbeliever as far as the time they are to spend in Hell. Unlike the disbeliever, the hypocrite has already clearly received the message and refused to follow it.

    Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have the concept of repentance. You cannot be repentant without the intention of leaving the sin behind. But in Catholicism, where confession is done, a sin may be repeated and may be forgiven multiple times as well provided that the repentance is sincere.

    The Conditions for Repentance [in Islam]

    The conditions for repentance are well known:

    Leaving the sin;

    Remorse over having committed the sin;

    Resolve never to return to the sin;

    (If it relates to the rights of another person, then to) Return the rights or property one wrongly took. [al-Bariqa fi Sharh al-Tariqa; Riyad al-Salihin]
    So, what is true repentance? Ibn Hajar mentioned that Qurtubi quoted 23 different definitions of true repentance or al-tawbah al-nasuh in his tafseer (explanation). Ibn Hajar mentioned the most important of these:


    `Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said that it is, “To sin and then never to return to it.”





    http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...berCounselingE

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    Hebrew Swede
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    Quote Originally Posted by andak01
    You are as ignorant about Christianity as you are about Islam. But you certainly are inclined to spout your opinions of both as if they were facts. Protestants don't confess, they are "saved" by accepting Jesus. Jesus is said to have died for their sins.
    Save your argumentum ad hominem for an uncivilized Muslim forum like Ummah.com. No, Protestants don’t confess like Catholics do, but neither do they ask for forgiveness on sins they haven’t acknowledged. Yes, Jesus died for their sins, as Christians believe everyone’s born with original sin. Jews disagree with this notion and believe you are born pure and that sin is solely based on the choices you make in life.

    While it's true that Muslims ask forgiveness during our prayers, we have no guarantee that we are forgiven until the Day of Judgement.
    I know this. But asking for forgiveness for sins you haven’t acknowledged is ludicrous, and is a formula for repeating the sins indefinitely.

    And in fact, both the Quran and the Hadith caution against asking forgiveness and repeating sins. That is the mark of a hypocrite. And a hypocrite is equal to a disbeliever as far as the time they are to spend in Hell.
    This still makes absolutely no difference, because repeating sin is in the formula of forgiveness without acknowledgement.

    Christianity, Islam and Judaism all have the concept of repentance. You cannot be repentant without the intention of leaving the sin behind.
    This is not true. Muslims do not repent, like the Jews do on Yom Kippur. We acknowledge our sins and talk about them, before we ask for forgiveness from G-d and our friends and family. You can’t repent without acknowledgement.

    But in Catholicism, where confession is done, a sin may be repeated and may be forgiven multiple times as well provided that the repentance is sincere.
    Yes, a sin can be repeated multiple times and be forgiven, as long as you’re remorseful each time you confess. If you’re not sincerely remorseful, and G-d always knows, you won’t be forgiven. And you can't be remorseful without acknowledging your sins.

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    savvy
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    You are as ignorant about Christianity as you are about Islam. But you certainly are inclined to spout your opinions of both as if they were facts. Protestants don't confess, they are "saved" by accepting Jesus. Jesus is said to have died for their sins.
    The Evangelical branch of Christianity does have to confess their sins, when they accept Christ and even afterwards whenever they go wrong. They always have to examine their conscience. Catholics have to examine their conscience and acknowlede their sins before they go to confession. There are branches of Christianity such as Anglicans and others who do believe in going to confession. Christianity on the whole requires repentence every time a person sins. People repeat the same sins again because of their human weaknesses, but will be forgiven if they are truly sorry for them.

    And in fact, both the Quran and the Hadith caution against asking forgiveness and repeating sins.
    There you go in Islam there is a limit on even asking for forgiveness because Allah will whack you. In Christianity God is always ready to forgive people's sins and is happy when they come to him in repentence and turn from their sins. God rejoyces over the repentence of one sinner, than over a 100 righteous people that need no repentence, because unlike self righteous people they are willing to acknowledge their mistakes.

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    savvy
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    The Evangelical branch of Christianity does have to confess their sins, when they accept Christ and even afterwards whenever they go wrong. They always have to examine their conscience. Catholics have to examine their conscience and acknowlede their sins before they go to confession. There are branches of Christianity such as Anglicans and others who do believe in going to confession. Christianity on the whole requires repentence every time a person sins. People repeat the same sins again because of their human weaknesses, but will be forgiven if they are truly sorry for them.

    And in fact, both the Quran and the Hadith caution against asking forgiveness and repeating sins.
    There you go in Islam there is a limit on even asking for forgiveness because Allah will whack you. In Christianity God is always ready to forgive people's sins and is happy when they come to him in repentence and turn from their sins. God rejoyces over the repentence of one sinner, than over a 100 righteous people that need no repentence, because unlike self righteous people they are willing to acknowledge their mistakes.

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    andak01
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    There you go again thinking Allah is going to whack me! One of the names of Allah is al Ghuffar, the forgiver. Having practiced both Christianity (Protestant) and Islam (Sunni), I can say I haven't noticed a big difference between the way either repentance or forgiveness is handled. If repentance is genuine, God will forgive most sins. The only unforgivable sins are those around worshipping multiple Gods. But Hebrew Swede wants to make it out that we are immoral because of the way we handle repentance. There just isn't enough of a difference to make that case. God is loving and forgiving, but I should still fear being evil.

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