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    There's hope for the French yet

    French sympathies swing towards Israel

    French attitudes over the Middle East conflict have swung dramatically over the past four years, with the public equally dividing its sympathies between the Palestinians and Israel, a turnaround from four years ago, according to a Pew research survey released Tuesday.

    France has long been widely perceived as a special ally in the West to the Arab world, the fruit of its historical roots in the region. A survey four years ago appeared to bear up that assumption, denied by French officialdom. At the time, French respondents to the survey sympathized with the Palestinians over Israel at a roughly two-to-one ratio, 36 percent sympathizing with the Palestinians compared to 19 percent placing their sympathies with Israel.

    Today, however, sympathies have undergone a swing in France, home to western Europe's largest Jewish and Arab populations, the latest Pew Global Attitudes survey suggests.

    It showed sympathies in France to be equally divided among the public, with 38 percent placing their sympathies with the Palestinians and the same number placing their sympathies with Israel.

    Nine percent of those surveyed said their hearts were with both sides, while 12% opted for neither side and four percent said they did not know how they felt on the subject.

    "I've always said that the sympathy quotient toward Israel was always much stronger than we imagined, notably in the (French) provinces and outside the intellectual milieu," said Jean-Yves Camus, of the Institute for International and Strategic Relations.

    He suggested that two events, the November 2004 death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the illness of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, might be contributing factors in the change of heart.

    The French media and the elite, which tend to set the tone, put a more positive light on Sharon once he suffered an incapacitating stroke in January, Camus said.

    With Arafat's death, "lots of opinion-makers, journalists realized" his role in the deadlock of peace negotiations and in the Palestinian Authority's internal problems, Camus said.

    The change in attitudes as suggested by the Pew survey apparently does not reflect the troubling issues of anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim incidents in France, even though experts here have often said that they rise and fall in unison with the tensions in the Middle East.

    Such incidents were at a high two years ago and have since leveled off, although Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said last month that anti-Semitic attacks were on the increase at the end of 2005 and beginning of this year.


    You think we might go back to being allies with La France?
    “This is a reality but I won’t deal with it in terms of recognizing or admitting it.”

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    in the past or future; Europe is same

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    With Sarkozy, probably.
    Chirac's international gaullist policy was defined in opposition with the USA(and Israel).

    On the other side, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ("Quai d'Orsay") is not ready for changes. The official theory is that Israel shall disappear sooner or later. They prefered betting on the arab side.

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    i'm wishing France to elect peaceful person

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    Perhaps it's becuase 70 percent of France's prison population are Muslims.....

    .....and they're getting tired of it.

    Source (the 70 percent figure) -- IslamOnline.net:
    http://www.islam-online.net/English/...rticle04.shtml

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    In the meantime today is the 350th anniversary of Cromwell's readmittance of the Jews to England

    http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/26685.html

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    thanks for the reminder Medio


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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble
    French sympathies swing towards Israel


    He suggested that two events, the November 2004 death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and the illness of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, might be contributing factors in the change of heart.

    Here is the big point.

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    Dramatic rise in Europe's support of Israel

    In Germany, 37 percent of respondents expressed their support for Israel's stance in the conflict, compared to only 18 percent who supported the Palestinians. A survey conducted about two years ago showed that German citizens were equally divided on the issue of the conflict.
    At the time, 24 percent of the Germans expressed their support of Israel and a similar number supported the Palestinians.

    In France, the change was even more dramatic. Some 38 percent of French citizens who participated in the poll expressed a pro-Israeli stance, with the same number expressing a pro-Palestinian stance. This datum constitutes a significant change in favor of Israel, as four years ago 36 percent of the French expressed their support of the Palestinian stance compared to only 19 percent who supported Israel.

    In Russia, 21 percent supported Israel compared to 16 percent who supported the Palestinians. Israel lost, however, among the Spanish respondents, with only nine percent supporting the Israeli stance, compared to 32 percent who supported the Palestinians.

    The Palestinian stance gained a victory also in the United Kingdom, although it was insubstantial: 29 percent compared to 24 percent. The highest support for Israel among Islamic countries was noted in Pakistan – six percent compared to 59 percent.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...263135,00.html

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    It seems like a slightly difficult question to answer anyway.
    If I'm asked whether I support the Israeli stance I'd have to ask which Israeli stance and likewise for the palestinians. Neither side has a single homogenous stance. Does anyone know how the question was actually worded?

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    Luke90 [.. Does anyone know how the question was actually worded? ..]

    I do.

    Question: The German High Command demands Churhill's unconditional surrender, which British stance do you support? After all, British politics and sympathies were hardly a homogenous stance.

    ^_^

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