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  1. #31
    Gershon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tibia
    The diffrece between this and the Beach incident is the fact that the dead Israelis were SOLDIERS and the dead people in the beach were CIVILIANS.

    Soldiers in some part of the world (not sure about Israel. I heard they force some secular israelis to join the army and let the religous ones be ... religous). Soldiers join an army willingly and know they could die. It is an occupational Hazard. They are also givin Armor,Weapons and training.

    The Palistinian families didn't have that benifit.


    p.s. The shell WAS ISRAELI. Palestinians don't use 155 mm shells. And the damage to the dead people were upper body not lower. Land mine and IEDs do lower body damage.
    Excuse me Tibia:

    Israel did extensive research on the Beach bombing. Israel Defense Forces unequivocally denies responsibility for the killings of seven family members three children. Israel does not intentionally send missiles at civilians as do members of the Palestinians who fire Qassams into Israel.

    Here are some facts:
    • Israel stopped firing 15 minutes before the Gaza Beach explosion 9 June 2006 between 16:57 and 17:10.
    • Three of those injured were hospitalized in Israel. 21 June two pieces of shrapnel removed from the victims being treated in Israel show "beyond all doubt" that they didn't come from 155mm. artillery shell as claimed by Israel's accusers. They came from a bomb rather than a shell.
    • Human Rights Watch military expert Marc Garlasco met 17 June with Maj-Gen Meir Kalifi and admitted HRW was unable to contradict the Israel Defence Force's(IDF) findings. It most likely was imposed by an unexploded Israel ordnance left laying on the beach.

      Garlasco was impressed with IDF's system of checks and blances concerning its artillery fire in the Gaza Strip unlike Hamas which specifically targeted civilians in its rocket attack, Israelis invested a great amout of resources and efforts not to harm innocent citizens.
    • No large crater was evident as would be expected from the impact of an artillery shell landing from above.Based on photographs and testimonial descriptions, the crater left on the beach by the blast was made by an explosion from below (a mine), and not a hit
      from above (a shell). The blast site would suggest a mine exploding from below.
    • IDF fired six shells one of which was unaccounted for. All of the shells were fired however 20 minutes before the blast that killed the Palestinians.

  2. #32
    Gershon
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    Israel Completely Cleared Of Gaza Blast

    Tibia read Tough

    ISRAEL COMPLETELY CLEARED OF GAZA BLAST

    Unofficial Summary of Press Conference Plus Comments
    By Dr. Mike Cohen, Senior Analyst, The Galilee Institute
    (http://www.gogalil.com)

    JERUSALEM: June 13, 2006: Israel has determined conclusively and without
    reservation that IDF fire was not the cause of the explosion which killed
    members of a local Gaza family and injured others on Friday.

    The Israel Defense Forces committee formed to investigate the allegations that
    Israel artillery fire was responsible for civilian deaths on the Gaza beach last
    Friday reported on its conclusions today. Defense Minister Amir Peretz, IDF
    Chief of Staff Dan Halutz and Major General Meir Kalifi stood before the press
    Tuesday evening (June 13, 2006) and presented the findings.

    Showing aerial photographs and filmed documentation Gen. Klifi, head of the
    Israeli inquiry, declared: "There is no chance that a shell hit this area at
    this time. Absolutely no chance."

    The committee found that the blast was probably caused by an explosive device
    buried in the sand, but has not yet determined whether it was planted by local
    Palestinians as a counter measure to possible Israeli incursions or whether it
    was an old IDF dud.

    The findings ruling out the possibility of IDF artillery as the cause of the
    blast are complex and take into account the elements of time, material and
    location. The findings are based on intelligence sources, filmed documentation
    from a number of angles, cross-referencing and triangulation of computerized and
    visual data and more.

    A. The Context:

    - Over 100 Kassam rockets have been launched from the northern
    Gaza Strip city of Beit Lahiya into Israel by Hamas and Fatah this past week,
    several of them hitting a school, a kindergarten and private houses. In addition
    to the Kassam attacks, Russian 122 mm caliber Grad missiles, officially known as
    BM-21 or Katyusha rockets have recently been introduced to the sector and now
    pose a threat to Israel of some 12.7 miles or 20.4 km (see map at
    http://www.iris.org.il/katyusha.htm).

    - The Hamas and Fatah missiles are being launched from within
    populated areas, thus not only abusing the human rights of the local Gaza
    residents but also creating a cynical attempt to draw Israeli fire at innocent
    civilians in order to gain media "brownie points."

    - The Hamas and Fatah missiles are being launched from a region Israel
    evacuated and turned over to full Palestinian Authority control less that one
    year ago, while tearing Jewish families away from their homes of 35 years
    against their own will. Israel made clear that it will not tolerate terrorist
    activity targeting its civilian population and gave the PA police plenty of
    time, information and arms with which to stop the perpetrators.

    - In response to the continued aerial assaults on the City of Sderot and
    other towns in southern Israel, the IDF has begun to employ airpower, sea-based
    artillary and ground to ground fire.

    - It is important to note that the employment of these three strategic assets
    and the introduction of the Katyusha rocket by the Hamas and Fatah terrorists in
    Gaza constitutes a new phase in this war, a war which Israel must engage in and
    win if it is to stop the continuous launch of rockets against Israel's civilian
    population.

    B. The Shrapnel:

    - Three people wounded in the blast are now hospitalized in Israel. Shrapnel
    removed from their bodies show conclusively that the explosion was caused by a
    bomb rather than an Israeli shell.

    C. The Crater:

    - Based on photographs and testimonial descriptions, the crater left on the
    beach by the blast was made by an explosion from below (a mine), and not a hit
    from above (a shell).

    D. Intelligence:

    - Israel has amassed considerable information indicating that over the past
    few weeks Hamas has been systematically mining the northern Gaza Beach in an
    attempt to keep Israeli commandos from landing there.

    E. Time of Blast:

    - The Palestinian Center for Human Rights claims that the "attack" took place at
    16:40 on Friday

    - From 16:54 to 16:57 Israeli surveillance made public today shows that the
    family on the Gaza beach was engaged in normal every-day activity.

    - The surveillance documentation revealed today continues to show major
    activity in the area at 17:10 meaning that the blast took place sometime between
    16:57 and 17:09.

    - At 17:15 ambulances begin to arrive from the local hospital – a five to
    eight minute drive from the location of the blast.

    F. Time of Israeli Activity:

    - The Israeli Air Force (IAF) attacked an area 2.5 KM north of the
    blast at 17:15, AFTER ambulances had already arrived on the scene.

    - Earlier attacks took place, also to the north, many hours earlier in the
    morning.

    - Israeli Navy boats fired 17 shots from its 166 meter guns at a
    location near the destroyed former Israeli town of Dugit from 11:00 till around
    noon that morning. All 17 shells are accounted for, with multiple visual and
    computerized verification systems, all falling some 700 meters north of the
    investigated blast.

    - Between 16:31 and 16:35 Israel fired six times from its ground to ground 155
    mm cannons. Five of the shells, the 2nd through the 6th are fully accounted for,
    falling 580-600 meters north of the area the family was in. The first shell is
    as yet unaccounted for but carries with it a statistical impossibility of being
    that far off range – over half a kilometer from its intended target.

  3. #33
    Gershon
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    Israel completely cleared

    Comments:

    It is imperative that the world understands that Israel is fighting a war on
    terror not thousands of miles from its shores but scant meters from its homes,
    schools and children. The terrorist activity must be brought to a stop and the
    world must bring its weight down on the Hamas government and the PA president to
    stop launching rockets at Israeli civilians and to begin to respect and honor
    the human rights of Palestinians and Israelis. By launching these consistent
    terrorist attacks from within some of the most densely populated civilian
    neighborhoods, teeming with families and children, Hamas and Fatah are calling a
    holy war on their own people.

    Israel cannot and will not allow these attacks to continue and many
    civilians stand in harms way on both sides.

    It is up to the international community to stop these attacks and move the PA
    government to remove the terrorists from among their civilian umbrella. Rather
    than jumping on Israel for defending her citizens, the world human rights
    organizations who are all well represented in the Gaza Strip should begin to
    call abominable the activities of Hamas and Fatah – and their cynical use of
    innocent citizens as a cover for their terrorist activities.

    PLEASE REFER TO THE FOLLOWING SOURCES FOR MORE ON THIS IMPORTANT STORY:

    http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Gaza_Beach_Libel.asp

    http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_print=1&x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_arti cle=1130

    http://www.honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/Tragedy_On_Gaza_Beach\
    .asp


    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=news&id=105257

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1662249.htm

    http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/2006/june/win1.htm

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/print.php3?what=news&id=105310

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150191574202&pagename=JPost%2FJPArt i\
    cle%2FPrinter


    -------------------------------------------------------------
    Dr. Mike Cohen is the Senior Analyst at the Galilee Institute in Jerusalem
    (http://www.gogalil.com). He can be reached at mike@...

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