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    Blood borders: How a better Middle East would look!

    Blood borders: How a better Middle East would look

    Tuesday, July 04, 2006
    AFJ - By Ralph Peters

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    International borders are never completely just. But the degree of injustice they inflict upon those whom frontiers force together or separate makes an enormous difference — often the difference between freedom and oppression, tolerance and atrocity, the rule of law and terrorism, or even peace and war.

    The most arbitrary and distorted borders in the world are in Africa and the Middle East. Drawn by self-interested Europeans (who have had sufficient trouble defining their own frontiers), Africa's borders continue to provoke the deaths of millions of local inhabitants. But the unjust borders in the Middle East — to borrow from Churchill — generate more trouble than can be consumed locally.

    While the Middle East has far more problems than dysfunctional borders alone — from cultural stagnation through scandalous inequality to deadly religious extremism — the greatest taboo in striving to understand the region's comprehensive failure isn't Islam but the awful-but-sacrosanct international boundaries worshipped by our own diplomats.

    Of course, no adjustment of borders, however draconian, could make every minority in the Middle East happy. In some instances, ethnic and religious groups live intermingled and have intermarried. Elsewhere, reunions based on blood or belief might not prove quite as joyous as their current proponents expect. The boundaries projected in the maps accompanying this article redress the wrongs suffered by the most significant "cheated" population groups, such as the Kurds, Baluch and Arab Shia, but still fail to account adequately for Middle Eastern Christians, Bahais, Ismailis, Naqshbandis and many another numerically lesser minorities. And one haunting wrong can never be redressed with a reward of territory: the genocide perpetrated against the Armenians by the dying Ottoman Empire.

    Yet, for all the injustices the borders re-imagined here leave unaddressed, without such major boundary revisions, we shall never see a more peaceful Middle East.

    Even those who abhor the topic of altering borders would be well-served to engage in an exercise that attempts to conceive a fairer, if still imperfect, amendment of national boundaries between the Bosporus and the Indus. Accepting that international statecraft has never developed effective tools — short of war — for readjusting faulty borders, a mental effort to grasp the Middle East's "organic" frontiers nonetheless helps us understand the extent of the difficulties we face and will continue to face. We are dealing with colossal, man-made deformities that will not stop generating hatred and violence until they are corrected.

    As for those who refuse to "think the unthinkable," declaring that boundaries must not change and that's that, it pays to remember that boundaries have never stopped changing through the centuries. Borders have never been static, and many frontiers, from Congo through Kosovo to the Caucasus, are changing even now (as ambassadors and special representatives avert their eyes to study the shine on their wingtips).

    Oh, and one other dirty little secret from 5,000 years of history: Ethnic cleansing works.

    Begin with the border issue most sensitive to American readers: For Israel to have any hope of living in reasonable peace with its neighbors, it will have to return to its pre-1967 borders — with essential local adjustments for legitimate security concerns. But the issue of the territories surrounding Jerusalem, a city stained with thousands of years of blood, may prove intractable beyond our lifetimes. Where all parties have turned their god into a real-estate tycoon, literal turf battles have a tenacity unrivaled by mere greed for oil wealth or ethnic squabbles. So let us set aside this single overstudied issue and turn to those that are studiously ignored.

    The most glaring injustice in the notoriously unjust lands between the Balkan Mountains and the Himalayas is the absence of an independent Kurdish state. There are between 27 million and 36 million Kurds living in contiguous regions in the Middle East (the figures are imprecise because no state has ever allowed an honest census). Greater than the population of present-day Iraq, even the lower figure makes the Kurds the world's largest ethnic group without a state of its own. Worse, Kurds have been oppressed by every government controlling the hills and mountains where they've lived since Xenophon's day.

    The U.S. and its coalition partners missed a glorious chance to begin to correct this injustice after Baghdad's fall. A Frankenstein's monster of a state sewn together from ill-fitting parts, Iraq should have been divided into three smaller states immediately. We failed from cowardice and lack of vision, bullying Iraq's Kurds into supporting the new Iraqi government — which they do wistfully as a quid pro quo for our good will. But were a free plebiscite to be held, make no mistake: Nearly 100 percent of Iraq's Kurds would vote for independence.

    As would the long-suffering Kurds of Turkey, who have endured decades of violent military oppression and a decades-long demotion to "mountain Turks" in an effort to eradicate their identity. While the Kurdish plight at Ankara's hands has eased somewhat over the past decade, the repression recently intensified again and the eastern fifth of Turkey should be viewed as occupied territory. As for the Kurds of Syria and Iran, they, too, would rush to join an independent Kurdistan if they could. The refusal by the world's legitimate democracies to champion Kurdish independence is a human-rights sin of omission far worse than the clumsy, minor sins of commission that routinely excite our media. And by the way: A Free Kurdistan, stretching from Diyarbakir through Tabriz, would be the most pro-Western state between Bulgaria and Japan.

    A just alignment in the region would leave Iraq's three Sunni-majority provinces as a truncated state that might eventually choose to unify with a Syria that loses its littoral to a Mediterranean-oriented Greater Lebanon: Phoenecia reborn. The Shia south of old Iraq would form the basis of an Arab Shia State rimming much of the Persian Gulf. Jordan would retain its current territory, with some southward expansion at Saudi expense. For its part, the unnatural state of Saudi Arabia would suffer as great a dismantling as Pakistan.

    A root cause of the broad stagnation in the Muslim world is the Saudi royal family's treatment of Mecca and Medina as their fiefdom. With Islam's holiest shrines under the police-state control of one of the world's most bigoted and oppressive regimes — a regime that commands vast, unearned oil wealth — the Saudis have been able to project their Wahhabi vision of a disciplinarian, intolerant faith far beyond their borders. The rise of the Saudis to wealth and, consequently, influence has been the worst thing to happen to the Muslim world as a whole since the time of the Prophet, and the worst thing to happen to Arabs since the Ottoman (if not the Mongol) conquest.

    While non-Muslims could not effect a change in the control of Islam's holy cities, imagine how much healthier the Muslim world might become were Mecca and Medina ruled by a rotating council representative of the world's major Muslim schools and movements in an Islamic Sacred State — a sort of Muslim super-Vatican — where the future of a great faith might be debated rather than merely decreed. True justice — which we might not like — would also give Saudi Arabia's coastal oil fields to the Shia Arabs who populate that subregion, while a southeastern quadrant would go to Yemen. Confined to a rump Saudi Homelands Independent Territory around Riyadh, the House of Saud would be capable of far less mischief toward Islam and the world.

    Iran, a state with madcap boundaries, would lose a great deal of territory to Unified Azerbaijan, Free Kurdistan, the Arab Shia State and Free Baluchistan, but would gain the provinces around Herat in today's Afghanistan — a region with a historical and linguistic affinity for Persia. Iran would, in effect, become an ethnic Persian state again, with the most difficult question being whether or not it should keep the port of Bandar Abbas or surrender it to the Arab Shia State.

    What Afghanistan would lose to Persia in the west, it would gain in the east, as Pakistan's Northwest Frontier tribes would be reunited with their Afghan brethren (the point of this exercise is not to draw maps as we would like them but as local populations would prefer them). Pakistan, another unnatural state, would also lose its Baluch territory to Free Baluchistan. The remaining "natural" Pakistan would lie entirely east of the Indus, except for a westward spur near Karachi.

    The city-states of the United Arab Emirates would have a mixed fate — as they probably will in reality. Some might be incorporated in the Arab Shia State ringing much of the Persian Gulf (a state more likely to evolve as a counterbalance to, rather than an ally of, Persian Iran). Since all puritanical cultures are hypocritical, Dubai, of necessity, would be allowed to retain its playground status for rich debauchees. Kuwait would remain within its current borders, as would Oman.

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    Blood borders: How a better Middle East would look

    In each case, this hypothetical redrawing of boundaries reflects ethnic affinities and religious communalism — in some cases, both. Of course, if we could wave a magic wand and amend the borders under discussion, we would certainly prefer to do so selectively. Yet, studying the revised map, in contrast to the map illustrating today's boundaries, offers some sense of the great wrongs borders drawn by Frenchmen and Englishmen in the 20th century did to a region struggling to emerge from the humiliations and defeats of the 19th century.

    Correcting borders to reflect the will of the people may be impossible. For now. But given time — and the inevitable attendant bloodshed — new and natural borders will emerge. Babylon has fallen more than once.

    Meanwhile, our men and women in uniform will continue to fight for security from terrorism, for the prospect of democracy and for access to oil supplies in a region that is destined to fight itself. The current human divisions and forced unions between Ankara and Karachi, taken together with the region's self-inflicted woes, form as perfect a breeding ground for religious extremism, a culture of blame and the recruitment of terrorists as anyone could design. Where men and women look ruefully at their borders, they look enthusiastically for enemies.

    From the world's oversupply of terrorists to its paucity of energy supplies, the current deformations of the Middle East promise a worsening, not an improving, situation. In a region where only the worst aspects of nationalism ever took hold and where the most debased aspects of religion threaten to dominate a disappointed faith, the U.S., its allies and, above all, our armed forces can look for crises without end. While Iraq may provide a counterexample of hope — if we do not quit its soil prematurely — the rest of this vast region offers worsening problems on almost every front.

    If the borders of the greater Middle East cannot be amended to reflect the natural ties of blood and faith, we may take it as an article of faith that a portion of the bloodshed in the region will continue to be our own.

    • • •

    WHO WINS, WHO LOSES

    Winners —

    Afghanistan

    Arab Shia State

    Armenia

    Azerbaijan

    Free Baluchistan

    Free Kurdistan

    Iran

    Islamic Sacred State

    Jordan

    Lebanon

    Yemen

    Losers —

    Afghanistan

    Iran

    Iraq

    Israel

    Kuwait

    Pakistan

    Qatar

    Saudi Arabia

    Syria

    Turkey

    United Arab Emirates

    West Bank

    Source: Armed Forces Journal AFJ
    http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/

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    I think It's the best idea and map regarding the Middle East that I have read and seen!!!

    But It think It would be even better If Israel got all the land that is known as "Palestine" But it would'nt bring peace only the pre 1967 border would do it.

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    Oh, Borders. The border thing. Isn't that just a polite way to avoid talking about the real issue? You can shuffle the map any way you want, but it's really about acceptance & tolerance. Square footage was never the issue in Gaza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcake
    Oh, Borders. The border thing. Isn't that just a polite way to avoid talking about the real issue? You can shuffle the map any way you want, but it's really about acceptance & tolerance. Square footage was never the issue in Gaza.
    I think it's the borders drawn by britain and france that have caused most of the problem in the middle east! whats your idea of solving the problem then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghanbari
    I think it's the borders drawn by britain and france that have caused most of the problem in the middle east! whats your idea of solving the problem then?
    Ditto for Africa.

    In the end allowing people to migrate to other areas in combination with democracy is the only approach proven to work. At the end of day all that borderlines do is define whose dirt is whose. It’s what is in the hearts and minds of a people that make a nation and a civilization what it is. “Borders” are ultimately defined by “Language” and “Culture”. Southwest America comes to mind. While your idea will achieve a better alignment of these three elements it is not a solution in as far as the problem in the Middle East is Islam. Creating more Islam free areas attracting like mind Arabs might be another approach. Ironically, more Israels spread throughout the Middle East could be a cure not the problem. The one place not F*** up in the ME is in fact Israel. That is along as the Muslims don’t migrate into the Muslim free areas and screw them up like they are doing in Europe. Once again we are left with the same principle of Islam being the problem with the ME.

    If we could somehow transport everyone in the US to Middle East and every Muslim into the US they would still be blowing themselves and attacking non-muslim and we would still be prosperous and successful.

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    Quite an odd proposal. Interesting, but doesn't rank very high on the realism scale.

    First off, his belief that Israel would gain peace by returning to 1967 borders is questionable. As much as I'd love to believe it, it hasn't been the case so far.

    I am all for the independence for the Kurds. I always have been. I am not sure how pro-Western such a state would have been, but they would sure make better allies than any other entity that currently exists in the region (aside from Israel, who is essentially an integral part of the West rather than its ally).

    The idea of dismantling the Saudi Arabia is not bad. From what I understand his concept of the "Islamic sacred state" is basically a resurrection of the Kingdom of Hedjaz, the former dominion of the Hashemites. It could, I imagine, be taken another step further if the Jordanian king Abdullah, himself from the House of Hashem, laid a claim on these lands as his rightful inheritance. Mecca and Medina under a secular Jordanian rule is an even better alternative than an "Islamic Vatican".

    The "Arab Shia state" would NOT emerge as a counterweight to Iran, but would probably lean towards actually merging with it. The Shia clerics of Iraq are invariably pro-Iranian. Allowing the Iraqi Shias to take over the princehoods of the Gulf does not sound like a good idea to me at all- it would give this pro-Iranian entity a total stranglehold on the MidEast oil exports. The independent Kurdish control over the oil fields of Northern Iraq would still not outbalance the Shia control over the key route of export. I also don't believe that a Shia state would allow Dubai to remain the capital of sin that it is today. We all know Iran wouldn't, why would the Shia Arabs be different?

    A "unified" Azerbaijan is nonsense; those guys can barely control their current territory, and you want to give them MORE of it?

    A Greater Lebanon cutting Syria off the Mediterranian sounds fine to me. The question is, though, what the Syrians would think- and do.

    As far as dismantling Pakistan goes, it could weaken the state to such a point that it would be taken over by Jamaat E-Islami completely. I am not sure India would enjoy having a true terrorist state for a neighbor more than it enjoys having today's Pakistan in the neighborhood.

    Syria+Sunni Iraq= boost of Syrian power and Saddamite leanings= a big question whether the Greater Lebanon would be allowed to remain so great.

    "Saudi Homelands Independent Territories"= the world's worst basket case outside of Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble
    I am all for the independence for the Kurds. I always have been. I am not sure how pro-Western such a state would have been, but they would sure make better allies than any other entity that currently exists in the region (aside from Israel, who is essentially an integral part of the West rather than its ally).
    The Kurds are the most pro-Western "muslim" people in the Middle East, The Kurdistan Regional Government has under many occasions invited the US to build their bases in Kurdistan. It's worth mentioning that not ONE Allied Soliders have been Killed in the Kurdistan Region which Is under control of the Kurdish Peshmergas (Freedom fighters)

    The "Arab Shia state" would NOT emerge as a counterweight to Iran, but would probably lean towards actually merging with it. The Shia clerics of Iraq are invariably pro-Iranian. Allowing the Iraqi Shias to take over the princehoods of the Gulf does not sound like a good idea to me at all- it would give this pro-Iranian entity a total stranglehold on the MidEast oil exports. The independent Kurdish control over the oil fields of Northern Iraq would still not outbalance the Shia control over the key route of export. I also don't believe that a Shia state would allow Dubai to remain the capital of sin that it is today. We all know Iran wouldn't, why would the Shia Arabs be different?
    You should know that the holiest shia places are in Iraq, I know that once the arab shias gets more power they would not let the Iranians rule them. sure both are shias but arabs are always nationalistic, they are only using Iran and the Iranians.

    As far as dismantling Pakistan goes, it could weaken the state to such a point that it would be taken over by Jamaat E-Islami completely. I am not sure India would enjoy having a true terrorist state for a neighbor more than it enjoys having today's Pakistan in the neighborhood.
    No problem the US wouldn't let this happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghanbari
    I think it's the borders drawn by britain and france that have caused most of the problem in the middle east! whats your idea of solving the problem then?
    it's not like the French and British invented conquest and borders. I doubt these nations really want to revert back to their pre-Colonization lives despite what they say. No matter how you divide the borders, there will always be people who feel slighted and others who want to conquer and slaughter other tribes. I think the solution to the problem starts by framing it in it's proper terms, rather then disguising it. There are people who will want to harm the Kurds wether or not there is a Kurdistan, and wether or not they're happy with their own borders.

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    I have a better Idea:


    http://anthro.palomar.edu/marriage/i...amic_World.gif

    Dont be afraid people.. This would be best for all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcake
    Oh, Borders. The border thing. Isn't that just a polite way to avoid talking about the real issue? You can shuffle the map any way you want, but it's really about acceptance & tolerance. Square footage was never the issue in Gaza.
    great answer! I always love realistic thoughts aswell.

    and after all, just what is Peters doing? A former intelligence officer, riding around Baghdad, painting a rosy picture? I may just be assuming stuff here; hell, if Ralph can do it, so can I — but is Peters one of those story-planting Americans? Was he out getting material and pictures? And has he taken his skills at writing happy stories to the American public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghanbari
    I think It's the best idea and map regarding the Middle East that I have read and seen!!!

    But It think It would be even better If Israel got all the land that is known as "Palestine" But it would'nt bring peace only the pre 1967 border would do it.
    you're in wrong place, wrong time with wrong ARTICLE with WRONG SOURCE. How did you collect all of these fact like a hell?

    Ralph Peters is not loved here.. So i recommend you to read twice before to copy/paste here.

    watch it:

    Losers —

    Afghanistan

    Iran

    Iraq

    Israel

    Kuwait

    Pakistan

    Qatar

    Saudi Arabia

    Syria

    Turkey

    United Arab Emirates

    West Bank
    Or maybe it's because of your poor english aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcake
    There are people who will want to harm the Kurds wether or not there is a Kurdistan, and wether or not they're happy with their own borders.
    Let people and nations defend them selfes. A free and indpendent Kurdistan with American bases would never be attacked By Iran, Syria, Iraq or Turkey. I gurantee you that!

    Or If the Kurds would get their own country, the kurdish Peshmergas could defend Kurdistan Easily. If Israel was not a country when the arabs started the different wars with them I think they would not have a big chance to win those war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serdar
    you're in wrong place, wrong time with wrong ARTICLE with WRONG SOURCE. How did you collect all of these fact like a hell?

    Ralph Peters is not loved here.. So i recommend you to read twice before to copy/paste here.

    watch it:
    He means that Israel should go back to the pre 1967 border to get peace with the arab countries.

    whats with these attacks of copy/past, Do you mean that everyone on this forum are writing their own articles? Is it forbidden to copy/paste?

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    Ghanbari
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faysal
    I have a better Idea:


    http://anthro.palomar.edu/marriage/i...amic_World.gif

    Dont be afraid people.. This would be best for all of us.
    It would be the best for the arabs!

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