IDF's + Israeli made weapons movies!

[varian]

Just for the protocol. Cyrus was half-Kurdish. That should explain a great deal for anyone that knows a thing or two about Iranian and Kurdish history. The Persians were NEVER nice to Jews. The Medes (Kurds) were however, and since Cyrus had a Kurdish mother, he was always more tolerant to Jews than his fellow Persian kings. In this respect he was extremely different.

Point dutifully noted. Cyrus was the great Mede-Persian King!!! Saladin was Kurdish too, wasn't he? I remember reading in some book that the Kurds made an attack on Northern Iraq shortly after the first Gulf War, and that if daddy Bush would have gotten off his duff and supported them, then Saddam would have been found hiding in his spider hole decades ago. They still made the attack without the support of the US. It was put down because daddy Bush (the political wuss) allowed Saddam to use what was left of his tanks and gunships, but what stones of brass you Kurds have!!!

[mossad]

Point dutifully noted. Cyrus was the great Mede-Persian King!!! Saladin was Kurdish too, wasn't he? I remember reading in some book that the Kurds made an attack on Northern Iraq shortly after the first Gulf War, and that if daddy Bush would have gotten off his duff and supported them, then Saddam would have been found hiding in his spider hole decades ago. They still made the attack without the support of the US. It was put down because daddy Bush (the political wuss) allowed Saddam to use what was left of his tanks and gunships, but what stones of brass you Kurds have!!!

Well, sure, Saladin was ethnically a Kurd, but he sold us out and chose Islam over us. For that I can never forgive him. He had the power to free our people once and for all, instead he fought for Islam. So honestly, I see no honour in him being a Kurd. Nothing has done more harm to our people and our culture than Islam, and therefore I see Saladin as a Muslim, not a Kurd.

As for daddy Bush, yep, it's all true. He bailed on us and left us to be massacred when we would've overthrown Saddam. That being said, I still have faith in his son. I think he's an honest man, unlike his father.

[kytyzov]

Once u learn some proper english I will registrate there

Dont worry I know English on normal level and this forum has not been created for English language lovers or culture

[kytyzov]

why do you Iranian care about us ? why do you just fu*k off from our small country . or you want end like iraq?

[nbarzelay]

uhh yeah! you could not even block Hezbullah missiles! i wonder what will you do against Irans Shahabs?

How about checking out this video of the Missile Defense System MTHEL

This system is shown shooting down hypersonic missiles, multiple barrages artillery shells, and even multiple barrage mortar rounds.

Don't mind the music.

This isn't that new technology (1st generation THEL coming out in 1996) and should've been operational since 2000. Set up a few of these testbeds along the northern border and without a doubt the majority of what Hezbollah threw at Israel would've come down in cinders.

Iranian Shahabs-3/4/5/6? Maybe IF you could get them in the air before the IAF destorying them (as Hezbollah didn't have the chance with launching their Shahab/Zelzel-3's) maybe you have the chance to hit the side of the Golan Heights or into the ocean, unless of course you stick a Chinese guidance system on it, maybe one could hit the side of a sizeable hill.

The Shahab 4? Or do you mean obsolete Russian SS-4?

Shahab 5? Or do you mean North Korean Taep'o-dong 2?

Shahab 6? Or, again, do you mean the North Korean Taep'o-dong 2?

http://missilethreat.com/missilesoftheworld/

Iranians couldn't make up their own missile tech if their life depended on it. It'll probably be year 2230 before Iran 'develops' it's first MIRV capable SRBM/MRBM/ICBM and be able to stick a nuke in it.

The real threat now are weapons and aircraft sales between Russia, Syria, and Iran for whom that Russian reporter (Ivan Safronov) was pushed out of a 5th-story window for.

Russian Su-30 aircraft, S-300V ABM's, Iskander SRBM's, or even the newest M-Topol's are the current threat to Israel if Syria and Iran get their hands on them. But, then again, will the Iranian and Syrian armies/airforce actually be capable of using this equipment, or just leave it for the IAF/IDF to take away from them like candy from a baby. Cut and run I think the Arab armies called it.

Btw, Serder, Hezbollah missiles ARE Iranian missiles (Shahab-3's = Zelzal-3's), and Iranian missiles ARE North Korean, Chinese, AND Russian missiles. Also, it's a lot easier shooting down a Shahab 3 the size of a house rather than a small low-elevation Katyusha rocket. Shahab 3's have a predictable glide path.

[Cellis]

inspired by your info, thanks

[KettleWhistle]

MTHEL program never got beyond prototype stage and was cancelled over a year ago. Whatever working replacement they approved won't be implemented for years. They claim that it will be ready for deployment in 2009, so it really will be something like 2012 at the soonest.

[nbarzelay]

MTHEL program never got beyond prototype stage and was cancelled over a year ago. Whatever working replacement they approved won't be implemented for years. They claim that it will be ready for deployment in 2009, so it really will be something like 2012 at the soonest.

The MTHEL was a testbed. Now there has been a switch-over from chemical lasers, as with MTHEL, to solid-state lasers using electrical power. Guidance systems on the MTHEL model will be used on these new systems:

Israel Prioritizes Anti-Katyusha Defense Efforts

Israel has made anti-Katyusha missile defense a top priority following Hezbollah’s rocket blitz on the country’s northern cities in recent months, reports the November issue of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets. On August 19, Israeli Defence Minister Amir Peretz ordered the defense establishment to begin developing an anti-missile system. With Iran and Syria replenishing Hezbollah’s rocket arsenal, Israeli requires a system that can be deployed quickly and presumably with U.S. funding. Peretz has appointed a panel to determine within several months the feasibility of a new laser system known as Skyguard, developed by Northrop Grumman since 2004; as well as other potential systems such as a land-based version of Raytheon’s Phalanx rapid-fire gun system, which would lock onto incoming rockets or mortar rounds and engage them with 20 mm cannon fire.
Jane’s reports, however, that Israel is at odds with the U.S. Army, which has paid the lion’s share of the costs for developing laser-based defense systems over the last decade. In early 2004, the Army shelved a project known as the Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser (MTHEL), developed jointly with Israel, because it was too cumbersome and costly and suffered from technical problems. In addition, the U.S. Army has shown little interest in the Skyguard systems, as it prefers a fully mobile system that can stand up to the rigors of combat in the field. The U.S. is also focusing on solid-state high-energy systems, which run on electrical power rather than the chemicals required for MTHEL variants. Yet working prototypes for such systems are not expected to be ready for another four to five years, a timeframe that does not meet Israel’s requirements.

I hope Israel goes with NG's SILL (Strategic Illuminator Laser) rather than LM's Skyshield. NG's range is better and cheaper in the long-run and there aren't actual physical bullets being sprayed at a target that can undoubtedly lead to increased collateral damage on the ground.

Sieff on Israel's New Dilemma

Israel desperately needs a short-range anti-rocket defense system, as demonstrated by Hezbollah's bombardment of northern Israel in July-August 2006, writes Martin Sieff in the UPI. Yet Israel has recognized significant development problems with its two possible solutions: Northrop Grumman's Skyguard, a high-energy chemical laser system; and Lockheed Martin's Sky Shield, a conventional rapid-fire cannon. Skyguard, developed in conjunction with the U.S. Army and the Israeli Defense Forces, was expected to be the IDF's first choice. The system is based on technology developed for the highly successful Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL). Yet according to All Headline News, Israel has suspended its participation in the project. "The point of contention appears to an inability to increased Skyguard's range to 6 miles [9.6 km]," AHN reported. "With its current range of only 1.8 miles [2.9 km], deploying Skyguard along Israel's entire northern border would be prohibitively expensive." The second option, Sky Shield, successfully destroyed a replica of Palestinian-made Qassam rocket in a recent lab test, according to the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz. But since the rocket was not in flight, the system has not yet proven itself capable of intercepting incoming Qassams. Much more development may be needed. "It is far too early to write off either system, especially given the relatively meager resources that have so far been allocated to developing either of them," Sieff notes. "But time is not on the Israelis' side, and they may have to choose fast."

[KettleWhistle]

The MTHEL was a testbed. Now there has been a switch-over from chemical lasers, as with MTHEL, to solid-state lasers using electrical power.

Just like the new systems MTHEL was presented as some sort of a real solution that "will be implemented very soon." As you should know full well, for the government rats it's all nothing but politics, as they couldn't care less for terrorist attacks on Sderot and only made it into a big issue because Haifa got hit by a few rockets. But as our token leftist, sharonbn, put it in another thread, the leftist are fine a few people dying here and there from terrorist attacks, as long as nothing "major" happens. So I'll believe it when I see it, and there is a good reason to believe that the new systems will follow the footsteps fo MTHEL and will be quetly cancelled within a few years. Or they will take forever to implement.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but Sieff is basically saying that they don't have anything at the moment.

[nbarzelay]

Just like the new systems MTHEL was presented as some sort of a real solution that "will be implemented very soon." As you should know full well, for the government rats it's all nothing but politics, as they couldn't care less for terrorist attacks on Sderot and only made it into a big issue because Haifa got hit by a few rockets. But as our token leftist, sharonbn, put it in another thread, the leftist are fine a few people dying here and there from terrorist attacks, as long as nothing "major" happens. So I'll believe it when I see it, and there is a good reason to believe that the new systems will follow the footsteps fo MTHEL and will be quetly cancelled within a few years. Or they will take forever to implement.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but Sieff is basically saying that they don't have anything at the moment.

I don't quite understand why the US-Israeli governments jointly research real-world solutions to problems and then not delivering. Is it too much to ask for actually implementing these devices if they are proven to work?

What the hell is wrong with this world?

If buel like biodiesel can take hold in a petroleum-driven economy (even if these companies are buying off these buel companies) thus protecting the environment and even be applied to the supercar industry as can be seen with the new 1000+ HP 2007 Koenigsegg CCXR with it's higher-octane and 'positive side effect of cooling the combustion chambers' over petrol, why not real-world solutions in protecting civilian populations against missile attacks?

What's so bloody hard in making this next step? This is what I despise in a capitalistic world: Purely profit-driven markets at the expense of human life and progress. I hate this bloody stagnation.

[nbarzelay]

Did you hear about this pleasant development?:

D.R.Congo Nuclear Centre Officials Arrested Over Uranium Smuggling

Surrreee, they're not selling to Iran.

[farmall]

"I don't quite understand why the US-Israeli governments jointly research real-world solutions to problems and then not delivering. Is it too much to ask for actually implementing these devices if they are proven to work?"

Proven "enough for more R&D funding" does not equal "proven sufficient to mount a viable defense".

I don't have much info in Israeli procurement boondoggles, but the way the US builds new systems I can fully understand why neither side has fielded a viable ubiquitous missile defense.

[Cellis]

I have something to say. I hate when USA buys Israeli technology and sells it to others with x2 or x3 price.

check it out

Turkey agreed with Israel but USA did not let it happen. bullsh|t

[nbarzelay]

I have something to say. I hate when USA buys Israeli technology and sells it to others with x2 or x3 price.

check it out

Turkey agreed with Israel but USA did not let it happen. bullsh|t

Hehe. What's new.

The new Excalibur GPS guided munitions owe their guidance systems to a company based in Rechovot.....that place has tighter security than Fort Knox!

It's business. All profit-driven.

[nbarzelay]

"I don't quite understand why the US-Israeli governments jointly research real-world solutions to problems and then not delivering. Is it too much to ask for actually implementing these devices if they are proven to work?"

Proven "enough for more R&D funding" does not equal "proven sufficient to mount a viable defense".

I don't have much info in Israeli procurement boondoggles, but the way the US builds new systems I can fully understand why neither side has fielded a viable ubiquitous missile defense.

Past systems, including the chemical laser system, have a proven track record and are substancially cheaper and longer-ranged than mounting Phalanx-like systems with shorter-kill radius per system and the potential hazard of raining down loads of .50 cal bullets on surrounding residential areas.

It's not really about defense, it's all about waiting until the last moment to implement these defense systems to maximize profits.