Qana: an hoax or not ?

[The Baron]

(In addition to the PR problems, there is an additional issue: of all the towns of South Lebanon, the ONLY ONE that can ring a bell to many people is Canna, because it's supposed to be the place where the Christ changed water into wine)

First hand, a consideration. If QANA is an hoax, this will backfire on the Hezbollah. If QANA is real...well, the IDF should be very cautious in promoting the hoax hypothesis.

I guess the core issue is about wether the building collapsed immediatly or after seven hours. Is there any proofs of this ?

[Lubnani]

You people are sad, get over it, the IDF is a terror machine, that will halt for nothing, not even disabled children. and learn how to speak english, its A hoax.

[Womble]

Qana isn't a hoax, but it HAS been milked for all its propaganda worth. One does not, unfortunately, rule out the other.

[Titus]

It is extremely doubtful the event was set up by Hezbollah. It goes against the trend of their actions. I will not say it is impossible but I am yet to see any evidence for it that is even mildly convincing.

[SJK]

You people are sad, get over it, the IDF is a terror machine, that will halt for nothing, not even disabled children. and learn how to speak english, its A hoax.

The IDF is certainly not a terror machine. The entire northern part of Israel is not functioning at this point and much of the population of our third largest city has evacuated. We can’t survive like that. We have NO choice. Well, I guess we could all just leave the country for good – but for most Israelis that would be the WORST choice.

So, given the current state of affairs, we have to continue to drive those rockets away from us, no matter what the cost to Lebanon or it civilians. Your Nasrallah (and Iran) has put us in this pickle. Give up our Country or kill your innocent civilians. Tragically, you are living our choice.

[Thaer K. Hamed]

Qana isn't a hoax, but it HAS been milked for all its propaganda worth. One does not, unfortunately, rule out the other.

Yeah, drawing attention to the slaughter of 60 civilans is just milking for propaganda. Thats obvious.

[Lubnani]

Milking propaganda is when your gay PM Olmert speaks of the poor ISraeli child that wanted to visit his grandmother and got killed with her, and as tragic as that is, more than 200 children have died here, and Qana was the only incident where the media paid more attention too, simply because one strike killed 60+ and its Qana again. So dont speak of milking propaganda, apparantly in your PM's eyes, the child in Israel is worth 100 Lebanese children.

[Titus]

The IDF is certainly not a terror machine. The entire northern part of Israel is not functioning at this point and much of the population of our third largest city has evacuated. We can’t survive like that. We have NO choice. Well, I guess we could all just leave the country for good – but for most Israelis that would be the WORST choice.

So, given the current state of affairs, we have to continue to drive those rockets away from us, no matter what the cost to Lebanon or it civilians. Your Nasrallah (and Iran) has put us in this pickle. Give up our Country or kill your innocent civilians. Tragically, you are living our choice.

Choice is the problem. There were many other options available to Israel than mass murder. Israel chose mass murder.

[Womble]

Yeah, drawing attention to the slaughter of 60 civilans is just milking for propaganda. Thats obvious.

What was done in the Lebanese propagandists in Qana wasn't "drawing attention", but a blatant gore show for the cameras. Staged photos of that one omnipresent rescue worker with child corpses (new one each time, of course), exposing the mutilated bodies of women in children without regard for their basic dignity as human beings who deserved a decent treatment even after death (while at the same time having the bodies of the men modestly covered by sheets)... Israel would never do something like that to "drawn attention" to the victims of suicide bombings, it's simply illegal here to disrespect the dead so by putting them up for public viewing. Only twice in the history of the state did any media outlet allow itself to "draw attention" by such gruesome ways- and both sources had to face incredible public fury.

[Illuminatus]

[ extremely doubtful the event was set up by Hezbollah.

Why would it be "extremely doubtful" with a terror organization that as a long, proud and well documented history of doing just that?


^_^

[Womble]

Milking propaganda is when your gay PM Olmert speaks of the poor ISraeli child that wanted to visit his grandmother and got killed with her, and as tragic as that is, more than 200 children have died here, and Qana was the only incident where the media paid more attention too, simply because one strike killed 60+ and its Qana again. So dont speak of milking propaganda, apparantly in your PM's eyes, the child in Israel is worth 100 Lebanese children.

Talking about them is fine in my book. Talk scream, do anything you wish- but showing off dead bodies is simply not the way. Were you to die in a bomb blast, would your family enjoy seeing your torn off limbs and bloodied head paraded all over the TV screens? Would they choose to put you up on display like a piece of meat in a butcher's shop?

[Lubnani]

You actually think these people have the time to cover up the bodies. My friend works as a translator for a BBC reporter, and he told me they (the media) are like vultures, the workers tried not to show the bodies, but the cameras are present at every moment, and when you have 60 dead which never happened in Israel before, to have such a large amount of deaths in one bomb, you are bound to find one of the bodies not covered. and the ones that were covered were women with their clothes torn off not men.
So we are not milking propaganda in any way, but you just seem to be pissed that your country could do something like that, i know that every Israeli is disgusted by whats happening, but in your minds you think this is protecting yourselves.
Well its not, its called murder

[Titus]

[ extremely doubtful the event was set up by Hezbollah.

Why would it be "extremely doubtful" with a terror organization that as a long, proud and well documented history of doing just that?


^_^

Perhaps you could bring forth some of that documentation?

[Womble]

You actually think these people have the time to cover up the bodies.

Well, some of them WERE covered.

My friend works as a translator for a BBC reporter, and he told me they (the media) are like vultures, the workers tried not to show the bodies, but the cameras are present at every moment

I can believe that part, yes- but the rescue worker who was in most of the photos was very obviously posing with the bodies. Here you can clearly see that he shows the dead girl off, holds her up for the cameras.

and when you have 60 dead which never happened in Israel before

I believe it has, but not in the recent years (unless the Helicopter Disaster counts, but those were soldiers). Still, something tugs on my memory... Anyone?

and the ones that were covered were women with their clothes torn off not men.

So was there time to cover the bodies or wasn't there?

So we are not milking propaganda in any way, but you just seem to be pissed that your country could do something like that, i know that every Israeli is disgusted by whats happening, but in your minds you think this is protecting yourselves.
Well its not, its called murder

I've made my views on the matter clear before.

[SJK]

Oh…I am not sure if I made myself completely clear. The reason we are killing your innocent civilians is because they are in the vicinity of the Hezbollah or its arms or its war machine. Not just to kill innocents. Again, I look at it as a very simple scenario – our ability to live in our country verses Hezbollah’s desire to drive us from it.

One more thing, if the holocaust was a hoax (Ahmedejohn?) then this was definitely a hoax.

Titus. This is not mass murder. Holocaust was mass murder. What Sadam did was mass murder. Darfour was mass murder. THIS is the BRAVE Hezbollah fighters placing themselves and their weapons in residential buildings. Come on – you KNOW that is what they do. And what options were you thinking about?