HomeListen.. we should all use this board not to throw our vote for the side we support , or reiterating what we hear on the news which is one way or another controlled, or repeating what, in my opinion are pathetic so-called authorities on the middle-east such as Daniel Pipes, no matter how much we like him or hate him.
The fact is that we need to get beyond all that and look into ACCURATE accounts of the History of Both the Jewish Nation and the Arabs. Religion will inevitably come into play in some way or another, but we need to understand that it does not mean that religion is responsible.
Now.. It is a fact that the Jewish Nation has not had a homeland for ages. For most of history the Jews have lived either in Europe which was/is mainly under the control of Christendom, or the Middle East which is/was under Muslim Control.
Living in the time that we do and having seen and maybe experience the situation in the Middle East, many of the people all around the world, think that Anti-Semitism originated there. That the Arabs started it.
In actuality, anti-Semitism first became popular during the crusades. During the crusades, before the Christians went to "conquer the Holy Land from the Infidels(Muslims)" there would be very large number of massacres of Jews because rumor and ignorance dictated that Jews were anti Christ. Western Historians now like to downplay this incident, but the entire middle and early ages, Anti-Semitism against the Jewish population went FULL Force during the crusades. Jews were given the choice to either be baptized or killed. All this in the Name of God, but QUITE WRONGLY!
When the crusaders went to conquer the Holy Land, they did the same thing to the Muslims. it is said that there was so much blood that it "came up to the knees of the horses." 40,000 people in 2 days
During those centuries, when Europe was in the Dark Ages, and in the entire population was ignorant and barbaric, The Muslim Nation flourished. Is was as we are now. Modernized, rich, prosperous, the center of all knowledge and education. Islam was at its highest point. The conquests of new land frightened the Christians and th4ey believed that Muslims were Pagans and anti god. Many of the participants of the crusades had no real idea what Islam was, and acted as the people in the Muslim countries are now.
It should be noted however, that during there centuries as conquests and prosperous Nation, they did not forcefully convert any people of any religion as the Christendom did. There advancement as a civilization made Western Christians even more angry and barbaric. It should also be noted that the Muslim Empire and the Eastern Christians were always on excellent terms with each other and did not burden them with wars unnecessarily. During the times of the crusades, as anti Semitism reached unimaginable levels the Jews were encouraged to move to the Muslim Nation, where they were allowed to practice their religion freely and became prosperous under the Islamic Rulers. The Arabs especially believed that the Jews would make the state very prosperous because they were excellent businesspersons.
After a couple of centuries, the Ottoman Empire, which enclosed them, overtook the Muslims and Many scholars believe that this was the beginning of the dark ages for the Muslims. As with Western Christendom centuries earlier, the Muslims ceased many of the advancements that, they had under the Islamic Rulers.
It was during this time that Europe were in the Age of Enlightenment, and they switched roles with the Muslims as the learners and scholars. Ages later, when the colonists began their conquest into the lands of the "Orientals", they saw that the Muslims had not progressed, Instead they livid in tents and the picture we now have of them as poor ignorant and dirty people came popular during this time.
When Israel became a state in 1948, that is when a tremendous amount of Anti-Semitic texts written by French, German and British colonists became VERY popular. The so-called fact that many of us know today is that the Muslims have ALWAYS Hated the Jews and the Christians, but we see that for centuries, when Muslims have done otherwise. It was only after the cultural shock of being colonized and under the fear of having their land taken away, that the largely uneducated people emerging from their Dark Ages did what Western Europe had in theirs… Be Anti-Semitic.
Now you may say that "Oh that is dumb, do not blame colonists" But the fact is that when people are coming out from the dark after centuries, they will resort to violence. That SHOULD NOT be blamed on ANY RELIGION.
All of what is happening today is like a repeat of what happened before, except now the roles have switched. This is not to blame one group or the other, but I see that on these boards many have turned to fire back at religion when this is really a secular conflict on holy ground. In addition, it should not be said that Arabs have always hated everyone, which is simply inaccurate. Every civilization has hated the other for centuries, for religion or land. That is a fact.
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Originally Posted by Aysun
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