Fuad Saniora and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah reportedly reached a deal...

[AnotherAlly]

...for Hezbollah to keep their weapons? Just keep them hidden? Is this possible? Or, does the Jerusalem Post exaggerate? Will the UN have the cahones to do anything about it?

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...ticle/ShowFull

Israel threatens to resume war if Hizbullah refuses to disarm




The IDF will have to resume operations in Lebanon if the expanded United Nations force being assembled does not fulfill its obligation to dismantle Hizbullah, an official in the Prime Minister's Office warned on Tuesday.

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah reportedly reached a deal allowing Hizbullah to keep its weapons but refrain from exhibiting them in public. Israeli officials called the arrangement a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701, which passed over the weekend and was approved on Sunday by the cabinet.

"The resolution is clear that Hizbullah needs to be removed from the border area, embargoed and dismantled," the official said. "If the resolution is not implemented, we will have to take action to prevent the rearming of Hizbullah. I don't think backtracking will serve any useful purpose. There has to be pressure on Hizbullah to disarm or there will have to be another round."

Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni is expected to raise the issue when she meets in New York on Wednesday with UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan.

Annan angered Israeli officials when he told Channel 2 on Tuesday that "dismantling Hizbullah is not the direct mandate of the UN," which could only help Lebanon disarm the organization. Annan upset officials further when he said that deploying international forces in Lebanon would take "weeks or months," and not days as expected.

Israeli officials said the IDF would not complete its withdrawal from southern Lebanon until the international force was deployed - even if it took months - to prevent a vacuum in Lebanon that could endanger Israeli civilians. An official in the Prime Minister's Office accused Annan of having an anti-Israel agenda.

"He has been one-sided," the official said. "He tried to be even-handed in a situation that was clearly asymmetrical. When one side committed crimes against humanity and engaged in genocide and the other side defended itself, he cannot treat us in the same manner."

Annan rejected charges of bias, saying, "I have been very hard on Hizbullah and condemned Hizbullah for what it has done. I have condemned Israel for what I consider excessive use of force but it doesn't mean I am taking one side."

Livni will also meet with US diplomatic officials and Jewish leaders during her 24-hour visit. The goals of the trip include advancing Israel's interests in talks on implementing the cease-fire in Lebanon, expediting the deployment of an international force and bringing about the return of the kidnapped IDF soldiers.

Annan is set to make key decisions about the role of the multinational force. Livni had planned to visit New York over the weekend but her original trip was blocked by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Foreign Ministry Director-General Aharon Abramovich said implementation of the cease-fire was "good so far" and "going according to plan." He said Livni wanted to make sure that UNIFIL's effectiveness would be maximized.

According to Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev, the two main tasks of the expanded force would be enforcing a "Hizbullah-free zone" in south Lebanon and an international arms embargo on Hizbullah. He said the resolution detailed the placement of international forces at all crossing points into Lebanon, comprising those from Syria as well as airports and seaports.

"The resolution meets Israel's expectations," Regev said. "The focus now is on ensuring its full and complete implementation. Unfortunately, there have been too many UN resolutions on Lebanon that have gathered dust in the archives and have not changed anything. The challenge now is to bring about the expeditious implementation of 1701."

[Jayhawker Soule]

Now there's an underwhelming surprise. But note the harsh recriminations emanating from the halls of the UN ...

... sorry; apparently there are none. But surely Europe will take notice ...

... sorry; apparently not. And Israeli leadership is far too busy claiming victory to waste time on such trivia.

[AnotherAlly]

Now there's an underwhelming surprise. But note the harsh recriminations emanating from the halls of the UN ...

... sorry; apparently there are none. But surely Europe will take notice ...

... sorry; apparently not. And Israeli leadership is far too busy claiming victory to waste time on such trivia.

So far, all we're hearing are crickets from the UN...

[AnotherAlly]

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah reportedly reached a deal allowing Hizbullah to keep its weapons but refrain from exhibiting them in public.

Apparently, hiding their weapons amongst the civilians wasn't good enough?

[takeo]

What do you think, that Olmert will be rewarded for his warcrimes and aggression against Lebanon?
btw Israel is already planning terrorist assasination plots in Lebanon, so I guess they aren't very serious about the UN-resolution either, and only needed an excuse to withdraw from this disasterous war.
Still I hope the Hezbollah doesn't attack Israel anymore except in retaliation, in that case it'll be obvious for the entire world who's the aggressor and warmongerer in all this. If Israel attacks Lebanon in the future, or organised terrorist explotions in Lebanon, Lebanon and the Hezbollah have the right to retaliate against Israel.

According to Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev, the two main tasks of the expanded force would be enforcing a "Hizbullah-free zone" in south Lebanon and an international arms embargo on Hizbullah. He said the resolution detailed the placement of international forces at all crossing points into Lebanon, comprising those from Syria as well as airports and seaports.

That is not mentioned in the UN-resolution and will not happen. The international force will be installed on the border and prevent Hezbollah attacking Israel and Israel attacking Lebanon. that's their goal and that's what they're going to do.

[r2sputin]

You should be in favor of assassination plots. http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=10801

[takeo]

news flash: France is willing to send the bulk of the international force but only if Hezbollah disarms and Israel respects the cease-fire. Other countries included will be Morocco, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, and Turkey.

[Jayhawker Soule]

According to Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev, the two main tasks of the expanded force would be enforcing a "Hizbullah-free zone" in south Lebanon and an international arms embargo on Hizbullah.

That is not mentioned in the UN-resolution and will not happen.

UN Security Council Resolution 1701

< -- snip -- >

"8. Calls for Israel and Lebanon to support a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution based on the following principles and elements:

-- full respect for the Blue Line by both parties;

-- security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities, including the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11, deployed in this area;

-- full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of 27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese State;

-- no foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its Government;

-- no sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its Government;

-- provision to the United Nations of all remaining maps of land mines in Lebanon in Israel’s possession;

< -- snip -- >

"14. Calls upon the Government of Lebanon to secure its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel and requests UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11 to assist the Government of Lebanon at its request;

"15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft:

"(a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; and

"(b) The provision to any entity or individual in Lebanon of any technical training or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of the items listed in subparagraph (a) above;

except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11;

takeo, you never seem to miss an opportunity to demonstrate your hate-spawned ignorance ...

[Mediocrates]

http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD125206

From news article:

Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah: The Disarmament of Hizbullah Should Not Be Discussed Now

The following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah, which aired on Al-Manar TV on August 14, 2006.
TO VIEW THIS CLIP: http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1236

"We are Facing a Strategic and Historic Victory"
Hassan Nasrallah: "We are facing a strategic and historic victory. This is no exaggeration. This is a victory for Lebanon - all of Lebanon - for the resistance, and for the entire nation."
[...]
"I do not think I am able to express what is going through my mind, in my heart, and in my emotions, and to explain this while I am sitting on a chair in front of the camera. The proper place for this is an encounter soon to be held with the people, the loved ones, the mujahideen, addressing them directly. Therefore, I will leave what has to do with this issue to that opportunity, which will come soon, Allah willing, and then we will talk about everything - about the prisoners, about the land that still remains occupied, about Gaza, and its people's suffering, about Palestine, about the sacrifices, about injustice, about historical responsibility, about this historic junction, and about the next stage."
[...]
"The last topic in this message of mine has to do with the controversy that began a few days ago about the weapons of the resistance."

So there will be no French. That's a shock.

[takeo]

UN Security Council Resolution 1701

< -- snip -- >

"8. Calls for Israel and Lebanon to support a permanent ceasefire and a long-term solution based on the following principles and elements:

-- full respect for the Blue Line by both parties;

-- security arrangements to prevent the resumption of hostilities, including the establishment between the Blue Line and the Litani river of an area free of any armed personnel, assets and weapons other than those of the Government of Lebanon and of UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11, deployed in this area;

-- full implementation of the relevant provisions of the Taif Accords, and of resolutions 1559 (2004) and 1680 (2006), that require the disarmament of all armed groups in Lebanon, so that, pursuant to the Lebanese cabinet decision of 27 July 2006, there will be no weapons or authority in Lebanon other than that of the Lebanese State;

-- no foreign forces in Lebanon without the consent of its Government;

-- no sales or supply of arms and related materiel to Lebanon except as authorized by its Government;

-- provision to the United Nations of all remaining maps of land mines in Lebanon in Israel’s possession;

< -- snip -- >

"14. Calls upon the Government of Lebanon to secure its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel and requests UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11 to assist the Government of Lebanon at its request;

"15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft:

"(a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; and

"(b) The provision to any entity or individual in Lebanon of any technical training or assistance related to the provision, manufacture, maintenance or use of the items listed in subparagraph (a) above;

except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11;

takeo, you never seem to miss an opportunity to demonstrate your hate-spawned ignorance ...

Indeed, so there's no problem for all weapons passing the border with the consent of the Lebanese autorities(and believe me, no weapons pass the border without its consent, even before this conflict), and if the government of Lebanon doesn't ask the Unifil to assist them it means they won't. You should learn to read what stated.

[AnotherAlly]

What do you think, that Hezbollah will be rewarded for their warcrimes and aggression against Israel?

A more rational question...

That is not mentioned in the UN-resolution and will not happen. The international force will be installed on the border and prevent Hezbollah attacking Israel and Israel attacking Lebanon. that's their goal and that's what they're going to do.

You seem to have more faith in the UN than most people.

The truth is that, UN resolutions have the same chance of being met as do New Years resolutions nowadays.

[AnotherAlly]

news flash: France is willing to send the bulk of the international force but only if Hezbollah disarms and Israel respects the cease-fire. Other countries included will be Morocco, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, and Turkey.

How will France disarm anyone with their backs to them and their arms raised high in the air?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4...rrender220.jpg

[Jayhawker Soule]

Indeed, so there's no problem for all weapons passing the border with the consent of the Lebanese autorities(and believe me, no weapons pass the border without its consent, even before this conflict), ...

I agree that the Lebanese government was fully culpable in the arming and training of Hezbolluh scum.

You should learn to read what stated.

"15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft:

"(a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; ...

You blithering idiot.

[takeo]

I agree that the Lebanese government was fully culpable in the arming and training of Hezbolluh scum.

You blithering idiot.

15. Decides further that all States shall take the necessary measures to prevent, by their nationals or from their territories or using their flag vessels or aircraft:

"(a) The sale or supply to any entity or individual in Lebanon of arms and related materiel of all types, including weapons and ammunition, military vehicles and equipment, paramilitary equipment, and spare parts for the aforementioned, whether or not originating in their territories; ...

instead of spending all your energy insulting me you should better read what's written. This is about other third nations, not about Lebanon, and it doesn't include weapons delivery authorised by the Lebanese governpment, as is stated :

"except that these prohibitions shall not apply to arms, related material, training or assistance authorized by the Government of Lebanon or by UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11;"

[Mediocrates]

In context the whole thing is silly. Not a single nation has actually stepped up to commit thing one. Hezbollah is not discussing anything with the shadow government in Lebanon - it doesn't have to. They whole thing is ludicrous. In 6 months nothing will have happened and the Takeos will be screaming that it's all the Jewish warcriminals' fault.