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    Gallileo's Torah

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    Shabbat Re’eh
    The Torah Isn’t Flat


    Rabbi Lawrence Hoffman

    Why did the medieval Church insist for so long that the world was flat? They got the idea from Topographia Christiana, a treatise by a sixth-century monk named Cosmas, who pictured the world as a rectangular plane with Jerusalem at its center. But Aristotle himself, roughly a thousand years prior, already knew better. How hard is it to see that the evening sun does not abruptly disappear like a billiard ball falling off a table? Why did the Church choose Cosmas over Aristotle?

    More to the point, why do we choose our own “Cosmases” over our “Aristotles”? The quintessential Aristotle for us is Maimonides (Rambam), who combined Judaism with the latest scientific knowledge of his day to challenge standard Jewish views — even about God. The result was the “Maimonidean controversies,” a chapter in our history that pitted Rambam’s supporters against Jewish minds as retrogressive as Cosmas.

    Nachmanides (the Ramban) reminds us of this while discussing our sedra’s warning against false prophets who lead us astray by signs or portents [Deut. 13:2-6]. Signs, says Ramban, are natural events to which a prophet points: a coming hurricane (for us), a sandstorm (for biblical people). Portents are miraculous phenomena beyond the realm of nature: the plagues in Egypt, or the splitting of the Red Sea. Beware of prophets who misuse both to delude their hearers.

    This is more than a diatribe against false prophecy, however. We should be wary of prophets who are false, but welcome prophets who are true. Following Maimonides, Ramban explains real prophets on the grounds that their intellectual capacity has affinity with the intellect of God, allowing them to discover new truths.

    Ramban’s primary example is Kabbalah, which in his day was still not mainstream Jewish thought. With regularity, he introduces Kabbalistic insights with the phrase, al derech ha’emet, “Truthfully....” He also studied whatever scientific treatises he could find to keep abreast in the realm of medicine.

    Rambam and Ramban were the Jewish versions of Aristotle: all three would have insisted that only a Cosmas holds fast to stale opinions without updating them with new discoveries.

    Relevant here is the report a few weeks back that Rabbi Louis Jacobs had died, without ever achieving the British chief rabbinate (that he so rightly deserved) because he followed the Ramban/Rambam revolutionary path to truth. Rabbi Jacobs remained open to the idea that however God spoke to us — and he never doubted that God had — human beings alone had recorded what they thought revelation was, so that Torah is composed of successive literary strata. We call this the “documentary hypothesis,” akin to the “evolution hypothesis” in the study of natural phenomena. There were many theories of evolution before Darwin and there are many possible ways to understand Torah’s evidence of human authorship, but to deny human involvement in the way Torah comes down to us is like siding with creationists (in our day) or Cosmas (in his).

    The anti-Cosmas approach to Torah is fundamental to Judaism, although I must confess its best expression comes not from a rabbi but from Galileo: As he studied the universe, he insisted he was becoming an expert in God’s second book, the Bible being the first one. He did not yet have the language of “evolution,” but he knew that the Bible and nature were both authored by God.

    We can add to that insight: Torah and science are parallel revelations from the same Divine author. That means a scientific approach to Torah is no different than a geological investigation of Rocky Mountain topography, or of Mars, for that matter. The Rockies, Mars and Torah are products of evolutionary change – God just always works that way.

    That is why we find ever new meanings in Torah. It is what the Rabbis meant when they coined the concept of the Oral Law. Only their opponents insisted on reading Torah literally, and they are long gone, while we are still thriving.

    The Midrash says God created a variety of things we would need some day, but hid them away until the right time – like the ram that Abraham saw in the thicket as his stand-in for the near-sacrificed Isaac. One such thing is a scientific approach to nature, God’s key to that second divine book: the natural universe. Another example is a scientific view of Torah, vaguely grasped by our Rabbis of antiquity when they insisted on the Oral interpretation; intuited later by Rambam who thought we have direct access to Divine intelligence; furthered still by Ramban who knew the novelty called Kabbalah; and bravely championed by Rabbi Louis Jacobs, who knew that the modern science of divinely revealed texts was waiting in the divine wings for us to master.

    Shabbat shalom.

    professor of liturgy at Hebrew Union College in New York, is an expert in the field of Jewish ritual and spirituality. He is the editor of “My People’s Prayerbook: Traditional Prayers, Modern Commentaries,” and “The Way Into Jewish Prayer” (Jewish Lights Publishing, Woodstock, Vt.).

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    Hey Medio,

    I decided to start re-reading the Tanakh recently and noticed before the greta flood the presence of "divine beings". Were these g-d's first humans in general or were there some sort of godlike beings as there is mention of them taking human wives and making children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    Why did the medieval Church insist for so long that the world was flat? They got the idea from Topographia Christiana, a treatise by a sixth-century monk named Cosmas, who pictured the world as a rectangular plane with Jerusalem at its center.
    The medieval Church didn't insist that the world was flat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by minusthejihad
    Hey Medio,

    I decided to start re-reading the Tanakh recently and noticed before the greta flood the presence of "divine beings". Were these g-d's first humans in general or were there some sort of godlike beings as there is mention of them taking human wives and making children?
    Eh? where is this?

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    Galileo was actually a devout Catholic who said that the purpose of the bible is to tell us how to get to heaven, NOT how the heavens work....

    Torah Judaism also views the Torah in a similar vein, NOT as a science manual but G-d's blueprint as to how we are supposed to live....In other words, the Torah is an ethical and moral guide, NOT a description of quantum mechanics....

    Also, just like G-d left it to humans to discover the spiritual realm on our own, so did G-d leave it to humans to discover the physical realm (the laws of science and nature) on our own; otherwise we would not have free will....

    Let's not forget, it was Benjamin Franklin who discovered electricity, NOT Moses or King David....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates
    Eh? where is this?
    Well, I have a footnote that translates "divine beings" to "the sons of God" so that makes a little more sense. What I was talking about is in:

    Genesis 6:16

    "When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them."

    So if "divine beings" were the "sons of God", then where did the "daughters of men" come from. This is probably a simple question, but it seems that there were "men" and "sons of God". Does this mean that after so much "begatting", that Man had lost his connection to g-d and that those still alive, original children of Adam and Eve were these "divine beings" that were starting to take wives, thus causing g-d to bring teh great flood to wash out the sins of the flesh?

    Thanks for your help!

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    Brei 6:4 refers to Nephillim - in passing a references to 'giants'. It's never explained whether this meant literally or refers to superstrong men or metaphorical arrogance. They were in or of the earth. It's hard to tell exactly what is meant here. "OF" the earth would otherwise not be a curse in Torah.

    In the section right before and after there's an oblique reference to creatures of god which could mean divine or as most common 'angels' or more correctly, 'fallen angels'. As if what Brei is saying that the fall of man in the next parsah (Noach) was in part caused by intermarriages with fallen angels. Beyond that, I'm out of ideas.

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    Thanks! I have read up and witnessed discussion on the Nephillim but since I am reading in English, not Hebrew, its not unlikely I missed that. Now it makes sense. So these were the Nephillim I've read about. OK, thanks for clearing that up. Do they make any other appearances in Jewish history/mythology?

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    Angels? Sure lots of places. Giants? only in the story of Joshua and the Spies, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minusthejihad
    Do they make any other appearances in Jewish history/mythology?
    Enoch.

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