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Last edited by L@mplighterM; 07-13-2002 at 08:54 PM.
As outrage at the teen-ager's rape grew, the government handed her a check for 500,000 rupees (dlrs 8,000) as compensation and said a new school would be built in her honor.
Big of 'em!
well, first country I heard of that raping was legal....
It's crazy, the poor woman cried for help, but nobody did a thing
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Barak
[B]well, first country I heard of that raping was legal....
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it's not legal, i think that's the thing, it's just that they cannot seem to control the tribal 'judgements' there , et..
something's GOT to stop tho because in the islamic world, women are treated as inhuman & it's about time that the educated or western or well-off arabs & pakistanis etc get off of their collective asses and do something about it.
IT IS A REVOLTING DISGRACE.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ruby
[B]I guess they used the Koran as their guide.Originally posted by Barak
well, first country I heard of that raping was legal....
]
it's not legal, i think that's the thing, it's just that they cannot seem to control the tribal 'judgements' there , et..
something's GOT to stop tho because in the islamic world, women are treated as inhuman & it's about time that the educated or western or well-off arabs & pakistanis etc get off of their collective asses and do something about it.
IT IS A REVOLTING DISGRACE.
are you serious?Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I guess they used the Koran as their guide.
cause then i'd guess that that was a pretty racist comment.
where do you think it advocates rape in the koran?
maybe it also does in the bible, too?
In the big scheme of things that is a non-event.
600 Israeli and 1700 Palestinian dead, not to mention tens of thounsands injured easily attests to that.
Anyway, if I has to report on the intelligence and sophistication levels of a spear carrying Pagan Native of a country or a European Nazi, who brings up his arm and yells "Hiel Hitler".
I would choose the Pagan as superior immediately.
Last edited by Mr. Pumps; 07-06-2002 at 04:11 PM.
Well when the Nazi war machine entered Russia in the Babarossa operation, how many Russian men were shot in cold blood and women molested by a part of 3.6 Million strong Nazi force. And the Russians returning the favor on the the way to Berlin.
WW2 was not all heroes and glory, savageness was done threw and threw by all sides.
One girl assaulted by some primitive tribal elders is nothing when Europe was going all out in beating itself into the ground during WW2 the bloodiest, more Barbaric messes ever to happen yet to Mankind. I have to wonder, was Europe truely "Civilized" at that time or the same Barbaric people as the ones who raped that girl.
Originally posted by ruby
are you serious?
cause then i'd guess that that was a pretty racist comment.
where do you think it advocates rape in the koran?
maybe it also does in the bible, too?
Translate that:
Mastoiflickan var utan sällskap av en äldre person som förkläde när hon sågs med den elvaårige pojken.
Rådet av byäldstar samlades i en "jirga" och utdömde - i en blandning av sydasiatiskt kasttänkande och islams sharia - ett straff.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/kvinna...181806,00.html
Well L@amplighterM, at least in those extreme Islamic countries justice is harsh and brutal, although sometimes does'nt make anysense like the Girl case.
Western Europe is a revolving door and so is Canada.
Murders cannot be killed only given light Jail sentences .
Criminals are seemingly given more rights than Victims families.
Oh....wow a few years in jail and some "Rehabilitation". So the Criminal can go out and do some more acts and end up in Jail agian.
Better a tough and mean than a weak and ineffective justice system.
Maybe so, but it does have to remain a system of justice , not some sort of official revenge mechanism. We can bicker about what constitutes cruel and unusual punishment, or standards of proof, or whatever; but the basic idea of the Western legal system cannot be beat for fairness or efficacy - precisely because it's not arbitrary.
In this post 9/11 our own Justice system is undermined by biase and prejudice. I am not a a really a fan of the Muslim People, but what is present now undermines the ideal of the Court of the People, a building stone of a "free" Country.
John Ashcroft detaining people of Middle Eastern decent without the rule of Law the Western World praises itself on has to questioning the validity of our own System.
When the situation presents itself, can Politicans and the Rich overwrite what the Constitution on paper promises to the people?
lamplighter, how bizarre of you to comment on my post in finnish. i have finns in my extended family & i've hung out in their saunas but have no idea what you said so if it was directed at me, it'd be mighty big of you to reply in english.
mr pumps, i believe mankind sinks to the lowest common denominator if you allow it, but i am confused as to why you are so quick to write off such a horror as what happened there to that girl? one gang rape is nothing compared to massive rapes 50 years ago? pumps, to the victim it is the same nightmare over & over; a little empathy i, please. thousands, probably hundreds of thousands of rapes happen all over the world every day. rape campaigns are still carried out (see: serbia & afghanistan, etc...)
so? murders happen too the same. some are more sensationalistic than others, too.
so?
is it too taxing on you to work up some outrage over this story? for that girl, at least?
No, they cannot do that. There are Constitutional requirements to even amend the Constitution at all (I believe, 3/4 of the Congress - have to look up the actual rules). Complete overwrite - I can't imagine such a possibility, ever. This whole society would disintegrate, I think, if that were to happen. IMHO, the Constitution is what makes US a country, more than anything else!Originally posted by Mr. Pumps
In this post 9/11 our own Justice system is undermined by biase and prejudice. I am not a a really a fan of the Muslim People, but what is present now undermines the ideal of the Court of the People, a building stone of a "free" Country.
John Ashcroft detaining people of Middle Eastern decent without the rule of Law the Western World praises itself on has to questioning the validity of our own System.
When the situation presents itself, can Politicans and the Rich overwrite what the Constitution on paper promises to the people?
I am also uncomfortable with some of the things Mr. Ashcroft is doing. However, there are plenty of "watchdogs" over this process, to assure at least a semblance of adherence to the basic Constitutional premises. As long as that debate continues, the danger of disintegration of the judicial process or rights of the individual, is minimal IMO.
Look into US history around WW1 - the Sedition Act of 1917 made it illegal to speak out against the government or speak in support of anyone who had. We had a Presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs who was sentenced to 10 years for supporting pacifism in a speech. He ran again in 1920 and got 3.5% of the vote. His sentence was commuted in 1921 by Harding.
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