Example of Arab lies about Israel's right to self-defense

elke · 07-07-2002, 09:18 AM

Here is a HRW report on the Israeli educational system:

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/isra...htm#TopOfPage.

Note a similar report about the US school system (most likely, every multicultural society experiences something of this sort)
http://www.arc.org/erase/FTCpress.html

Here is the US State Department Report for 1999:
http://www.state.gov/www/global/huma..._israel99.html

Here is a definitely pro-Israeli view on this matter:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/His...in_Israel.html

It is clear that while Israel is not without its problems with discrimination, they are being addressed, slowly but surely, as they have been in all the Western societies. To me, this is yet another reason to complete a Constitution, which would put such existential questions as "Is Israel based on discriminatory practices" to bed, once and for all.

**NewsGuy** · 07-07-2002, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Micah
Hey, I have this list compiled by a web site, I had the list on another forum a while back ago, but didn't know of this forum before then.

Micah,

The next time you find something on an Arab hate-speech board -- leave it there.

We don't need for you to copy and paste every Arab-sponsored anti-Israel, anti-Semitic heap of garbage with the excuse of "Gee, guys, I found this on the Web, can it be true?"

For the time being, I will return you to the status of Trial Member with its restrictions, to make sure we're all using this forum for what it's intended -- certainly not a platform for Arab lies and disinformation aimed at the gullible.

I've also taken the liberty of renaming the subject of this thread to more accurately convey its contents.

Micah · 07-07-2002, 12:11 PM

I'm sorry I don't know everything. I came here to get educated on the facts, not be accused of spreading propaganda.

geez, don't be so touchy

elke · 07-07-2002, 12:29 PM

Newsguy,

I may be wrong, but it seems to me that leaving any accusations of "massacres" without reply is tantamount to pleading "nolo contendere" in this Hasbara War. A person who genuinely wants to know the truth but doesn't have the knowledge, time, or training to get at it, can be intimidated by all the photos, eyewitness accounts, and other pseudo facts they find on the web. You know and I know that most of this info is either distorted or plain garbage, but many people don't.

Some of the links are to sites with addresses that cannot be easily traced as "Palestinian Propaganda". This makes the problem even more serious, since although they tend to copy, sometimes verbatim, the stuff from electronicintifada and such, it is not readily obvious, unless one just saw the same **** at the other site.

In short, it seems to me that we cannot afford to leave these claims unanswered, and we must attempt to research the possible seeds from which these ugly weeds germinated, and be ready to counteract them with facts.

**NewsGuy** · 07-07-2002, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by elke
In short, it seems to me that we cannot afford to leave these claims unanswered, and we must attempt to research the possible seeds from which these ugly plants grew, and be ready to counteract them with facts.

Yes, I agree, elke. Countering Arab lies with facts and setting the record straight is one of the primary purposes of this forum.

That is why Micah is still able to post his questions and receive information here. But at the same time, I would like to respond to the issues without becoming a platform for redistributing Arab propaganda.

I would encourage anyone to raise any issues as they please, but a repeated pattern of posting Arab propaganda verbatim is a "red flag" that there might possibly exist a potential issue other than a pure quest for knowledge.

In any event, let's proceed by giving the benefit of the doubt to all and encourage an honest exchange of ideas.

elke · 07-07-2002, 03:08 PM

Maybe, we can set up a thread - or forum - specifically for the purpose. That way, such questions can be put there and responded to in a consistent manner - Q&A-type of thing. I think, someone suggested this before, but I couldn't find it - getting senile, I guess

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Also, maybe we could distill that info into one "document", and have it show up on searches?

Just a thought...

danholo · 07-07-2002, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by elke
Maybe, we can set up a thread - or forum - specifically for the purpose. That way, such questions can be put there and responded to in a consistent manner - Q&A-type of thing. I think, someone suggested this before, but I couldn't find it - getting senile, I guess .

Also, maybe we could distill that info into one "document", and have it show up on searches?

Just a thought...

I agree. This sort of idea is exactly what we need.
An Anti-Propaganda Forum or "Countering Propaganda" thread.
It's necessary, since it would be an easy source to get the desired information, because arab-propaganda is like a plague and a lot of people believe in it.

Philip · 07-09-2002, 04:55 AM

There is a fair amount of information from the UN at

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF

though it isn't terribly accessible for searches.

Vic · 07-09-2002, 05:06 AM

Originally posted by elke
One other thing we need to think about: somehow, we need to have our kind of info show up in the first 1 or 2 hits, or at least pages . You know how some people name their business, so that it was in the beginning of the category? That way, they are more likely to be called? Well, we need to somehow do the same on "search".

Even without "bubbling" etc. a forum has little chance to get good search engine ranking. There are perfectly legal tricks for this, like meta tags, putting the words you want to show up in a search in the first paragraph etc., but this is beyond the capabilities of a forum poster. What we lack are good large (hundreds to thousands of pages under one and the same domain name) well-written sites.

elke · 07-09-2002, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by Vic
Even without "bubbling" etc. a forum has little chance to get good search engine ranking. There are perfectly legal tricks for this, like meta tags, putting the words you want to show up in a search in the first paragraph etc., but this is beyond the capabilities of a forum poster. What we lack are good large (hundreds to thousands of pages under one and the same domain name) well-written sites.

If we were to create a separate Q&A set, which could be edited by a moderator to include certain key words and phrases as necessary, would that do the trick?

cerulean · 07-09-2002, 07:39 PM

Another thing is that many of the Arab propaganda sites are near-copies of each other and use the same articles over and over again. But that doesn't stop them all from appearing in a search.

I'm not suggesting making complete copies of pro-Israel sites. But if everyone interested in the subject sets up his or her own web site on geocities or another free site (or a paid site if you like), there's no reason everything in the site has to be original.

elke · 07-09-2002, 07:41 PM

Good point, Cerulean!

Back to that idea of making our kids earn their keep: it's summer vacation, you know.

cerulean · 07-23-2002, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by trainspotter18
[B]how do I go about becoming a 'senior member' in this forum?

By making a set number of posts - I think it is 200 or thereabouts.

Do I have to make pro-Israeli posts and threads?

You should follow the Rules of the Road in your posting. You can take whatever point of view you consider appropriate, so long as you follow the Rules of the Road, listed here:
http://www.israelforum.com/board/for...?s=&forumid=10