New Israeli law allows "Jews only" urban communities

[sharonbn]

Follow-up: Government moves to “bury” Jewish-exclusive land law

Only a week after it voted to support the law that allows allocation of land for Jewish exclusive urban settlements, the Israeli government has decided to pass the law (once again) through “Ne’eman committee” in what was regarded as an attempt to “bury” the law.

This new step is a result of public outcry and fierce objection in the Labour party and other coalition members that came after the vote in the government.

The Ne’eman committee was established a week ago to discuss issues related to principal laws (principal laws is the closest thing Israel have to a constitution.) The committee already discussed the possible outcomes of the new law several months ago. Internal political sources estimate the step was decided in order to remove the law from the media spotlight and from the national political agenda.

[Vic]

Sharon, just out of curiosity in retrospect - -

would the law, should it have been implemented, have achieved what it was ostensibly proposed for? (My previous posts were based more on presumptions and guessing than on solid information)

[Mediocrates]

I have this from Zionblogspot:

"The bill allows a quasi public agency – called the Jewish Agency – to build Jewish only communities. They do not build all the towns in Israel. They do not control 90% of the land in Israel. The Jewish Agency does receive land from the state though. The law would not effect current towns (where 100% of the people currently live). Also, when the state allocates land, it can not discriminate. Thus Arabs are not banned from living on 90% of the land. Also, there are Arab only communities."

http://www.zionblog.blogspot.com/

If this can be verified it certainly puts another spin on the issue

[sharonbn]

Originally posted by Vic
Sharon, just out of curiosity in retrospect - -

would the law, should it have been implemented, have achieved what it was ostensibly proposed for? (My previous posts were based more on presumptions and guessing than on solid information)

That's a hard question, as specific details of the law are scarce indeed. issues like resell, second -hand, etc. were not disclosed on te media.

[sharonbn]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Also, there are Arab only communities."

Arab-only communities exist de-facto. This reality exist since Arab communities in general belng to the lower economic class in Israel and therefor their towns and cities attract no Jews.

However, there is no Law or regulation that explicitly forbids Jews from settling anywhere in Israel (or anyone else for that metter).

I woulod also like to point out the existence of multi-cultural cities where Jews and Israel Arabs live side-by-side, Like Jaffa, Nazareth and Beer-Sheva that houses a Beduin community.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by sharonbn
Arab-only communities exist de-facto. This reality exist since Arab communities in general belng to the lower economic class in Israel and therefor their towns and cities attract no Jews.

I think the context of that comment was in terms of something that I read somewhere else, I can't remember where, probably Women in Green, where there are illegal arab/bedouin communities sprung up and they are treated to firm hands-off policy by the Israeli government.

[NewsGuy]

Yes, this proposal was now buried because this happens to be a pivotal issue for voters and Sharon is wise to avoid a large-scale confrontation at this particular moment in time.

Still, the problem remains of how to keep Israel as a Jewish state, considering its Arab population is increasing at a much faster rate than the Jewish population.

[Adversary2Arabs]

There shouldn't be Jewish neighborhoods, only Arab ones. They should also be called settlements within Israel.

[Haifa]

hmm Adversay2Arabs. Yes, calling arab towns settlments is a good idea. But this would mean annexing them to the new palestinian state the same way israel wants jewish settlments annexed to Israel.

[gev]

Originally posted by Haifa
hmm Adversay2Arabs. Yes, calling arab towns settlments is a good idea. But this would mean annexing them to the new palestinian state the same way israel wants jewish settlments annexed to Israel.

I think there is a majority in Israel that would be happy to include Um-El-Fahem and Tira, for example, in the new palestinian state(There is also a territorial continunity). Because of the cooperation a minoriy of the Arab Israeli population have with the Palestinian terror organizations.

Actually, I think it was Efrayim Sne (Labor Party Minister) which suggested it once. The problem is the Israeli Arabs living there OBJECT THE IDEA. they want to stay a part of Israel!!!

In Fact, in one Talk Show he suggested the Idea, and Arabs that were on the talk show objected it. and many Arabs called the show to object the idea.

Why? What about all the things (Propoganda) I hear about the Arabs citizens being treated poorly by Israel, you ask?

Well, I think they just like the freedom of democracy and freedom of speech, the non-corrupted goverments, the advance way of living and so on.

Things they will not find in any other Arab country. and certainely not in a palestinian state led by the current leaders.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Haifa
hmm Adversay2Arabs. Yes, calling arab towns settlments is a good idea. But this would mean annexing them to the new palestinian state the same way israel wants jewish settlments annexed to Israel.

First you need a country, then you can pretend that Israel is Sudetenland. Until then you have nothing.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Haifa
hmm Adversay2Arabs. Yes, calling arab towns settlments is a good idea. But this would mean annexing them to the new palestinian state the same way israel wants jewish settlments annexed to Israel.

I think the only long term solution is to insure that all Jewish suburbs are geographically contiguous to the rest of Israel. I believe that whomever funds the PA should pay for the repatriation of Jews to neighborhoods closer to the rest of Israel and that Israel should probably slowly pull back from indefensible forward positions deep within Yesha while expanding and developing those neighborhoods closer to Israel. The the PA can move in and desecrate to their hearts' desire and fire their AKs in the air, claim victory and whatnot.

And those new communities should be Jewish only, not only as residences but as work areas as well, as a buffer between Palistan and Israel. A kind of permanent DMZ. I would expect that in practical terms these new neighborhoods would comprise no more than 15% of Yesha. And they should just leave the rest, abandon the infrastructure, the roads. The Arab countries should pay for this 'resettlement' as compensation for havingto start over.

[Adversary2Arabs]

There is nothing wrong with aparthied in Israel when its for national security.

[elke]

Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
There is nothing wrong with aparthied in Israel when its for national security.

No, there is something wrong with true apartheid, regardless of the reasons for it.

The question is whether what Israel is doing actually is apartheid, regardless of the accusations. IMO, it is not.

[Adversary2Arabs]

Well it's not apartheid. But I believe if it comes down to it, aparthied should be allowed. The Arabs are bringing it upon themselves.