New Israeli law allows "Jews only" urban communities

[Mediocrates]

Look at it this way - the West Germans and the East Germans didn't have little Potemkin villages in each other's countries, did they? There was never any thought given to anything as silly as that. One must disabuse themself of handy hot button words like 'race' and think in terms of allies and enemies.

[Djinn]

Offhand, I'd have to disapprove. Whether you're restricting the land to those of Jewish ancestry, or faith, or some combination of the two, you'll find so many gradients in between that such distinctions become meaningless. I'm of Jewish ancestry, but I'm a professed atheist. You've got mixed-marriages, all manner of ancestral relations... the list is endless.

Besides, there are enough people already comparing Israel's practices to apartheid - I see no reason to bolster such comparisons.

[Womble]

Offhand, I'd have to disapprove. Whether you're restricting the land to those of Jewish ancestry, or faith, or some combination of the two, you'll find so many gradients in between that such distinctions become meaningless. I'm of Jewish ancestry, but I'm a professed atheist. You've got mixed-marriages, all manner of ancestral relations... the list is endless.

Besides, there are enough people already comparing Israel's practices to apartheid - I see no reason to bolster such comparisons.

Offhand, I have to call you a gravedigger. This thread has been dead since 2002, for crying out loud.

[Djinn]

Offhand, I have to call you a gravedigger. This thread has been dead since 2002, for crying out loud.

My mistake... I didn't notice the date. And for reasons unknown, this thread was listed when I clicked the "New Posts" link. I assure you that I didn't go through pages of posts to find this. I'll double-check the dates from now on, but I'm not sure what caused it to appear on page one of a "New Posts" search.

[The Israeli Guy]

The government decided on Sunday, July 7th, to support a private law proposal that allows the allocation of land for the development of “Jews only” urban communities. The proposal is designed to bypass earlier supreme court ruling on the subject.

More than two years ago, The Israeli supreme court ruled that the state cannot discriminate between Jewish and non-Jewish citizens in matters of land allocation for housing. The court accepted the appeal of an Arab-Israeli couple that requested to be accepted into the urban community “Katzir” that was founded by the Jewish Agency.

In a response to the above decision, KM Haim Drukman of the Mafdal party, drafted a law proposition that will allow the Jewish Agency and the governmental “land administrate” to bypass the supreme court’s ruling. The proposition allows allocation of land for the development of urban communities restricted for Jews only.
The proposition was signed by half the members of the Knesset, including Ariel Sharon and Moshe Katzav, then KMs in the opposition.

The government first discussed the law proposal on December 2001 and decided to support it. The decision was overturned three weeks later, because of minister Dan Meridor’s campaign against the proposal.

Recently, Education minister Limor Livnat has brought the proposition once again to the table. On a vote that took place last Sunday, 17 ministers supported the proposition. Ministers Meridor and Sné opposed the proposition. Sné left the meeting in protest.

Foreign affairs minister Peres, who was unable to attend the meeting, attacked the proposition and its support and promised that he and the Labour party will fight “this racist decision”. Ministers Meridor and Sné also declared the proposition as having signs of “blatant national racism”.

Haim Drukman, the initiator of the law proposition, expressed his satisfaction from the support he received from the government: “This is a decision that will strengthen the Zionist character of the state of Israel and will encourage Jewish emigration. The proposition is required to correct the distortion created by the ruling of the supreme court, that land cannot be allocated for Jews in the Jewish land.”

Education minister Livnat stated that “The vote in the government was a triumph for those who support Israel as a Jewish Zionist democratic state on those who view Israel as the state of all its citizens.”

* translated from YNET article by Diana Bahor and Smadar Shmueli

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In Halisa neighbourhood in Haifa, where Jews and Arabs live together, there was this dialog:

A Jewish resident: "Can't you see the holes of the shootings in here (in the walls)?"
A Journalist: "Who is shooting here?"
A Jewish resident: "Who is shooting here? The nice guys who live beside me, they don't want me to live here, they don't want a Jew to live here."
An Arab resident: "Not true, it's not true, don't inflate, we respect any man, becaue I'm Arab...I answer you as an Arab. What are all these stories? You racist, you racist, we respect any man whoever he is."
A Jewish resident: "They sabotage my water tank, they close the passageway when I'm driving the car, they bloke me (my car), they curse me when I pass here. There is a neighbour beside me who said: "I'll remove you from here."
An Arab resident: "In the opposite of what you say, I'll ask the Jews if they are satisfied in the neighbourhood or not."
A Jewish resident: "And what about all the firecrackers that they (Arabs) blow up in large quantities in here?"
An Arab resident: "Firecrackers, shmayercrackers, it's when there is a holiday."
A Jewish resident: "What's going on in here?"
An Arab resident: "What's going on in here? You will prevent them (from blowing the firecrackers)?"
A Jewish resident: "I am allowed to throw firecrackers? I'm also not allowed to throw them, there's no such thing."
An Arab resident: "Why not? Why not? Did you throw firecrackers and someone told you not to do that?"
A Jewish resident: "The law forbids you (and me) to do that, there are no firecrackers."
An Arab resident: "Never mind the law."
A Jewish resident: "No firecrackers."
An Arab resident: "No firecrackers? It's only what you want."
A Jewish resident: "No, it's the law."
An Arab resident: "I want firecrackers."
A Jewish resident: "No."

The holiday of the Muslims in which they fire their firecrackers is a day in which some "Allah" gave them orders to kill all Jews, and it's happening in Israel. (more)

[The Israeli Guy]

Which Jew likes to live near holocaust deniars and Hizbullah helpers?

Here are couple of facts:

1. Almost 50 percent of Israeli Arabs justify Hizbullah's kidnapping of soldiers.
2. Some 48 percent justify the launching of rockets at Israel by Hizbullah during the last war.
3. 28 percent of Israeli Arabs did not believe the Holocaust happened.
4. Among Arab high school and college graduates the figure was even higher - 33 percent.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...378086,00.html

'28% of Israel's Arabs deny Holocaust' | Jerusalem Post

Oct. 17, 2006 22:02 | Updated Oct. 18, 2006 15:27
Dichter: Israeli Arabs helped Hizbullah
By REBECCA ANNA STOIL AND JPOST STAFF

Israeli Arabs were involved in planning attacks on Israeli targets with Hizbullah and sold weapons to the guerilla organization in exchange for illegal drugs, Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter told Army Radio on Wednesday morning. Full article inside

Approximately 40% of Israeli Arabs involved in terrorism were “family unification” Palestinians who were able to receive a permit to reside in Israel and a ‘blue’ identity card following their marriage to an Israeli Arab. 10 “family unification” Israeli Arabs were arrested and confessed their involvement in terrorism in 2006. Their involvement included, among other things, attempts at smuggling explosive charges into Israel and transporting weapons. Full article inside

Terror attack foiled

Cleared for publication: After car bomb driven by suicide bomber holding Israeli ID accidentally explodes in West Bank, defense forces uncover Hamas terror plot, arrest 19 members

Hanan Greenberg Published: 04.10.07, 05:23 / Israel News

A major suicide attack on Tel Aviv was prevented this Passover, as Shin Bet and IDF forces arrested 19 Hamas members in the West Bank city of Qalqilya for planning to detonate a car bomb containing some 220 lbs of explosives, it was cleared for publication on Tuesday.

Investigations revealed that a would-be suicide bomber, a holder of an Israeli ID obtained through family unification, had already reached the center of the Tel Aviv metropolitan area with the vehicle, but for unknown reasons did not carry out the attack and returned to Qalqilya, where the bomb accidentally exploded. Full article inside

Indictment: Tira resident planned terror attack in Raanana

According to indictment, 20-year-old young woman, Wurood Kassem, from Tira made connections to aid enemy in time of war after she helped organize bomb attack in Spaghetim restaurant in Ra'anana Full article inside

15 years in prison for officer convicted of espionage

Decorated Bedouin officer, who was found guilty of severe espionage, drug traf, sentenced to 15 years in Jail, to be dismissed from army

A special military court at the Kirya base in Tel Aviv sentenced on Sunday Lieutenant Colonel Omar al-Hayeb, convicted of severe espionage and contact with a Hizbullah agent, to 15 years in prison.

Al-Hayeb will be immediately dismissed from the IDF. Full article inside

Bedouin accused of spying for Hizbullah

Nazareth District Court accuses Beit Zarzir resident of transferring information to terror group on IDF soldiers' movements

First security affair during wartime: The Nazareth District Court released for publication the indictment of a Bedouin resident from the village of Beit Zarzir, charged with transferring intelligence information to Hizbullah in Lebanon.

Amakim District Police Chief Superintendent Yaakov Zigdon told Ynet that "this was a clear case of spying, during a time of war, as someone seeks to harm the security of the State of Israel." Full article inside

2 years jail time for Hizbullah informer

Israeli-Arab sentenced to 2 year in prison for providing Hizbullah terror group with information about locations of structures, IDF base in Israel during stay in Lebanon Full article inside

Border Guard officer charged with espionage

Operations officer indicted for allegedly handing over sensitive intelligence regarding military patrols along Egyptian border, disclosing classified technology, drug smuggling Full article inside

Murder of 18-year-old girl solved

Over a month after her corpse was found, a 17-year-old Bedouin boy is arrested for Maayan Ben Horin's murder, attempted rape. Suspect sends letter of apology to girl's family, claiming he did not mean to kill her

Sharon Roffe-Ofir Latest Update: 02.21.07, 09:02 / Israel News

The mysterious murder of 18-year-old Maayan Ben Horin in northern Israel some 40 days ago has been solved.

An indictment was filed with the Haifa District court Wednesday morning against a 17-year old Bedouin who was arrested for the crime on February 2. Full article inside

Palestinian man murdered child

Anwar Ahdush carefully planned murder, lured eight year-old Lipaz Himi to stairwell where he raped, murdered her. Victim's mother: My girl was raped and murdered on Independence Day only because she is Jewish

Efrat Weiss Latest Update: 05.28.06, 19:55 / Israel News

Cleared for publication: Lipaz Himi, the eight year-old girl whose body was found several weeks ago in a Beit Shemesh market, was raped and murdered by a Palestinian, the police investigation revealed. Full article inside

Arabs set off fireworks after memorial siren

Residents of Haifa and Carmiel participating in Memorial Day ceremonies enraged when they hear fireworks coming from nearby Arab neighborhoods

Ahiye Raved Published: 04.22.07, 22:56 / Israel News

Northern residents were incensed when they heard the distinct sound of fireworks coming from nearby Arab communities during ceremonies for the commemoration of fallen Israeli soldiers and terror victims in honor of Memorial Day. Full article inside

Arabs in our society are cancer! Again I will say: They are cancer! And even greater persons than me said that, like Moshe Yaalon for example, Arabs in Israel define themselves as "Palestinians", they are cancer and they should be treated in the same way that cancer should be treated.

Academic: Israeli-Arabs want end of Jewish state

There is no way to accommodate demands of Israeli-Arabs, short of replacing Israel with an Arab state, says Dr. Dan Schueftan

There was no way of accommodating the demands of Israeli-Arabs, short of the destruction of Israel and its replacement with an Arab state, a senior Israeli academic told a stormy session of the Herzliya Conference Monday, held to discuss the Arab minority in Israel.

Dr. Dan Schueftan, deputy director of the National Security Studies Center at the University of Haifa, said a document recently released by Israeli- Arab leaders called for "nothing short of the destruction of Jewish national state." Full article inside

MK Sarsur: We must act together to liberate Jerusalem

At 'Jerusalem First' conference in Ramallah, MK Ibrahim Sarsur calls on Muslims and Arabs to focus on 'liberating' Jerusalem. MK Mohammad Barakeh attacks Israel for trying to 'empty Jerusalem of its Palestinian inhabitants.' PA's top Jerusalem official: Jews have no religious or political connection to Jerusalem Full article inside

Former Arab MK defends suicide bombings

Former Arab MK Dehamshe justifies use of Qassam rockets against Israel as means of self-defense, says suicide bombings keep Palestinian issue alive Full article inside

Sheikh Salah calls to renew riots Saturday

Islamic Movement leader summons Muslims to Jerusalem to continue protesting construction near Temple Mount; thousands of demonstrators in Nazareth wave signs declaring ‘Israel has started world war’ Full article inside

[redcake]

There are some amazing Arabs who believe in the heart and soul of an Israel which is a Jewish state. They wouldn't want to live anywhere else, and they recognize and appreciate that Israel's creation has benefited them, and allowed them to prosper. I have a feeling these Arabs aren't the most vocal, becuase they just want to go about their business without getting too caught up in the conflict around them. If Israel were to lose these Arabs, and were not talking about a huge number, it would be a shame.

Likewise, there are also entire villages full of bad seeds. Some are just influenced by the constant propaganda of being told they're angry and due some great compensation...eventually they play into it.

I wish these polls were regional, so we can get a better grasp on who these people are.... Haifa residents? Arabs inherited after 1967? Old City Arabs?
I'll agree there is a huge Israel Arab problem burried in there somewhere, but Israel can remain a Jewish state with resorting to seperatism.