Amnesty Int'l Issues Scathing Report on Palestinian Terrorist Crimes

[ibrodsky]

While a number of fly-by-night, self-described "human rights" groups have virtually ignored savage attacks on Israelis or excused them as the result of "occupation," Amnesty International -- one of the most respected human rights groups -- has published a scathing report on Palestinian terrorism.

Finally, someone is directing talk of "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" at the barbarians who purposely blow up Israeli civilians in what immoral people call "martyrdom operations."

See the AI report at:

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/recent/MDE020032002!Open

[ibrodsky]

From Fox News today:

Palestinian Media Glorify Homicide Bombers to Children

[Philip]

Gosh, as long as we're lauding AI as "one of the most respected human rights groups" and using its statements to highlight Palestinian war crimes, let's not forget some of its other positions:

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/...ED+TERRITORIES

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/...ED+TERRITORIES

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/israel06262002.html

Only an immense phony, ibrodsky, would pimp an organization's opinions when they agree with his own, but damn them when they disagree. Don't you agree?

[Vic]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
While a number of fly-by-night, self-described "human rights" groups have virtually ignored savage attacks on Israelis or excused them as the result of "occupation," Amnesty International -- one of the most respected human rights groups -- has published a scathing report on Palestinian terrorism.

Finally, someone is directing talk of "war crimes" and "crimes against humanity" at the barbarians who purposely blow up Israeli civilians in what immoral people call "martyrdom operations."

See the AI report at:

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/recent/MDE020032002!Open

Please read the report - carefully, together with the accompanying documents. This is what I am doing now, and I'm all but happy with it.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Philip

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/...ED+TERRITORIES

http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/...ED+TERRITORIES

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/2002/israel06262002.html

Only an immense phony, ibrodsky, would pimp an organization's opinions when they agree with his own, but damn them when they disagree. Don't you agree?

Gosh, you wouldn't be "pimping" the above URLs would you?

Actually, I don't agree with much of the new report. However, that doesn't stop me from commending AI for stating that Palestinian terrorism is a "crime against humanity."

[ibrodsky]

The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law. They may also constitute war crimes, depending on the legal characterisation of the hostilities and interpretation of the status of Palestinian armed groups and fighters under international humanitarian law.

[Philip]

Originally posted by ibrodsky


Gosh, you wouldn't be "pimping" the above URLs would you?

If you want to call it that, go ahead. But I don't damn AI when I disagree with them -- they have a perspective; they enunciate it fairly well and with no noticeably intentional bias; and it's an honorable perspective.

[B]Actually, I don't agree with much of the new report. However, that doesn't stop me from commending AI for stating that Palestinian terrorism is a "crime against humanity."B]

Yes, yes, ibrodsy -- it comes as no surprise that the only thing you would find commendable in AI or in any organization is when they agree with you. Your intellectual auto-eroticism is obvious to anyone who isn't also indulging.

[Mediocrates]

Do you disagree or discount their reports now? Now that they differ from your perspective?

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Philip


If you want to call it that, go ahead. But I don't damn AI when I disagree with them -- they have a perspective; they enunciate it fairly well and with no noticeably intentional bias; and it's an honorable perspective.

You introduced the word "pimp." I merely noted that you defined and committed the transgression in the very same post. Is this not hypocrisy?

It's perfectly reasonable to commend an organization when it gets things right and criticize it when it gets things wrong.

Yes, yes, ibrodsy -- it comes as no surprise that the only thing you would find commendable in AI or in any organization is when they agree with you. Your intellectual auto-eroticism is obvious to anyone who isn't also indulging.

Likewise, it comes as no surprise that you think I have to either agree with everything they say or renounce them completely and irrevocably. Your dogmatic viewpoint is obvious to anyone who doesn't share your admitted affinity for mass murderers.

[Philip]

I don't discount AI's report on Palestinian war crimes and the only matter on which I seem to disagree with them, or with which my perspective differs from theirs, is that I accept that an hopelessly out-gunned party that has a legitimate cause to resort to war cannot be held to the same standards for the conduct of war as a party with military capability comparable to its adversaries. Nothing can justify the intentional killing of children or the infirmed, but I think that AI's condemnation of "indiscriminate" targetting by the Palestinians is equivalent to insisting that they must accept their unlawful subjugation by Israel.

[Philip]

Originally posted by ibrodsky


You introduced the word "pimp." I merely noted that you defined and committed the transgression in the very same post. Is this not hypocrisy?

And did I define "pimping" as a transgression, ibrosky? Or was it only simultaneously pimping one set of opinions of an organization -- "one of the most respected human rights groups," in your words -- while damning most of the rest? Take your time to review, ibrodsky, and remember: no one will know if you move your lips while you read.

It's perfectly reasonable to commend an organization when it gets things right and criticize it when it gets things wrong.

...and thank goodness you -- the final arbiter of what's right and what's wrong -- are available to decide these things!

Likewise, it comes as no surprise that you think I have to either agree with everything they say or renounce them completely and irrevocably. Your dogmatic viewpoint is obvious to anyone who doesn't share your admitted affinity for mass murderers.

Likewise, it comes as no surprise that you would mischaracterize my comments once again.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Philip
I don't discount AI's report on Palestinian war crimes and the only matter on which I seem to disagree with them, or with which my perspective differs from theirs, is that I accept that an hopelessly out-gunned party that has a legitimate cause to resort to war cannot be held to the same standards for the conduct of war as a party with military capability comparable to its adversaries. Nothing can justify the intentional killing of children or the infirmed, but I think that AI's condemnation of "indiscriminate" targetting by the Palestinians is equivalent to insisting that they must accept their unlawful subjugation by Israel.

"Nothing can justify the intentional killing of children or the infirmed..." but that's precisely what you just did.

You excuse Palestinian terrorism on the basis that Palestinians are "hopelessly outgunned." Of course, it doesn't matter to you that a five-year old Israeli child is "hopelessly outgunned" when shot at point blank range by a Palestinian savage.

Only an immense hypocrite, Philip, would present such phony arguments.

[Philip]

Yawn.

[minusthejihad]

Philip,

"I accept that an hopelessly out-gunned party that has a legitimate cause to resort to war cannot be held to the same standards for the conduct of war as a party with military capability comparable to its adversaries."

"hopelessly out-gunned" Uhhu. Let's not forget that at least 5 to 7 Arab nations next door continuously traffic weapons, intelligence, money, and lunacy to the Palestinians. And don't forget about the millions upon millions of dollars that the EU, UN, America, Arab and Muslim Worlds, etc. send the PA for taking care of their people which of course they spend on bombs and the marketing and advertising campaigns to recruit kids to wear them.

"legitimate cause to resort to war" Incorrect and irresponsible. First you are forced to share the land with a people that you directly evolved or mutated from, who were always there, long before you. Well it seems you don't like that deal. So you allow some of your neighbors to use your land as a launchpad for an all out war against them, with your help and complicity. Then you lose that land during that act of aggression. You also forget that the people who promissed you all the land, now have taken more of your land then before that war, and won't absorb your people as well. So, naturally you are not at fault, but the people who you attacked, who fought you off and beat you down, quickly go from victims to aggresors, right? So then for years you conduct terrorism instead of learning and evolving and complain to the world about your land, which really isn't your land anymore. Then, when the people you tried to kill, reach out and offer you most of your land back, you agree to negotiate. But then when you do not get everything your ungratefullness wants, you walk away from the negotiating table and launch another, more intense, murderous, unjustified campaign of terror and chaos against innocent civilians. If you call this legitimate, then you should check yourself in to have your head examined.

"cannot be held to the same standards" Oh, I see. What's the point to even have laws? In that case, Israeli citizens shouldn't be held to the same standards as well. We should call on all Israelis to take up arms and raid every Palestinian villages. But, instead of punishing them, we should have the world send them money and award the parents of the attackers with gifts and promisses of heavon. Right? No.

[Philip]

Let's see what one of your heroes has to say about it, ibrodsky:

Do not dare to punish the innocent... what superficial and hypocritical nonsense. In war, any war, each side is innocent. What crime has he committed against me - that enemy soldier who fights me -- and is as poor as I, as blind as I, as much a slave as I, who has been recruited against his will? When a war breaks out, we demand unanimously a sea and land blockade of enemy soil, so as to starve the population and the innocent women and children. And after the first air raid on London and Paris, we will expect air reprisals against Stuttgart and Milan, which are full of women and children. There is no war which is not conducted against the innocent, just as there is no war which is not fraternal strife. Therefore every war and the tribulations it brings is accursed, whether offensive or defensive, and if you do not wish to harm the innocent - you will die. And if you do not wish to die - then shoot and stop prattling.

Would you like to take this opportunity to call Ze'ev Jabotinsky an evil man, ibrodsky?