just saw now what you wrote to Serdar above. you called him "dumb headed idiot". now it is not full of love , is it ?
Aysun - you must understand (and try to put yourself in an Armenian's position) - if your people had been (deliberatly) exterminated to the degree that occured to the Armenians - and memebrs of the ethnicity/nation who had done such continued to more or less completely deny that it occured (and even often attempt to villify the victims) - how might you feel towards memebrs of that group? Most Armenians - certainly such as myself - and I think Mr Right as well - bear no animosity towards specific Turks or even Turks as a people - just because they are Turks. I have a number of Turkish friends for instance...and some of them have decried this (anti-Turkish)attutude that many Armenians (and plenty of others in the world) do exhibit...and I've explained to them what is at issue...that as long as the Turkish Government actively denies this genocide and continues to prevent proper recognition of it and essentially shelters the perpetrators (CUP/past Ottoman Leadership & operatives etc) - that people are not fools - they understand the truth and are disgusted by these type of attitudes. As long as your nation continues these policies and as long as a certain (seemingly high) percentage of Turks express these denials and counter-charges - there will always be a stigma for being Turkish. Does this make sense? I think Turks are great BTW - I have always enjoyed their company, their culture and visiting Turkey...we really are quite alike in many ways (though I've often characterized Turks as more easy going are party hard types versus many Armenians)...but we both have certtainly picked up many traits and customs and such from the other (like when I come accross blindly nationalistic Armenians I really think that some "Turkishness" has rubbed off - LOL)...anyway...I don't hate Turks...and neither do most Armenians (really)...however with things being what they are you are going to have to expect that we will take our shots when it comes to political issues and the like - because justice has not been done by us and frankly we do harbor some resentments and ill feelings - as you might imagine. And though not necissarly directed at (specific) Turks or Turks in general - our overall dissatisfaction and frustration will some times come through...and besides some of you guys make it pretty easy you know...lol
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anyway, that's all I will say about this subject and I will not go into any discussion here about it. if many of you Armenians are hating Turks because of that then we can't really do anything about it. this is your choice. but in reality Turks don't have any hateful feelings towards any other nation, this also includes Armenians. if you came to Turkey then I am sure you also had observed that.
Actaully I could tell you some stories...but I'll spare you and just relate one. When I've travelled to Turkey I've made it a real point to tell most everyone I meet (eventually) that I'm Armenian. For the most part this indeed has produced a fairly positive response. However it is not always the case - as one might imagine eh. Once - I had been having a very nice (long and involved) conversation with a very cute (blond...no...not likely natural) young bartendress at a very posh hotel in Ankara (Shereton tower) and she was asking me (as most Turks ussually do) why I was visiting Turkey...I explained about my family background and I was visiting places where my family was from etc - and she (of course) assumed I was a Turk (an aside: when [some] Turks wanted to subtly insult me they would suggest that I looked to them like an Arab!). Anyway I tried to explain that I was Armenian...and she had no idea what I was talking about...not even when I explained to her in Turkish. So she asked another bartender...and he had to explain at some length before I could see it dawn on her who (what type of ethnic etc) I was...well she not only did not come back over to continue our converstation - she wouldn't even come near to me or even do anything but glance nervously over my way before looking away....just why was that I wonder(ed)?,,,needless to say her tip suffered quite a bit...
besides, I have been to US and spent years (not weeks) there! but I still can't claim that I know US more than an American. this would be so absurd and silly. and I also met very silly and ignorant people there. but I never make any generalizations about Americans just by knowing those people.
anyway, I personally don't have any interest about Armenia and Armenians. I don't know why you guys are so interested in my country and keep talking about Turkey all the time, especially in an Israel forum. I think forum moderators should really make an action and don't allow anyone who comes here to make a propoganda of their genocide lies anymore. I am really sick of it.
I never claimed to know more about Turkey/Turks then you - only that indeed I might know/understand quite a bit more then you might assume (and somewhere you or others have said things like - "you should visit Turkey" or "You need to understand the Turkish perspective" etc - well I have and pretty much do. I still stand by my claim that I've very likely travelled more around Turkey then you have - as I've been to a great many places in Turkey that most Turks don't normally travel to (in addition to nearly all the ones that they do) and this is based upon my interactions with Turks with whom this holds true (that on average I have travelled to more places in Turkey then they have).
Anway sorry that you are so sick of hearing about the Armenian Genocide (her and just in general) - but in fact it is a very relevant and topical issue IMO...and as long as Turks like you are here actively denying it and as long as Turkey is part of the discussion here in any capacity and Turks are involved I suspect you will continue to hear more of such...its just inevitable. And as for my (and many other's [Armenian]) interest in Turkey - well - I'm just an Anatolian as you are in many ways and certainly I have Ottoman background as well. That you fail to understand why Armenians (many/most of whom have vast generatiosn of history and cultural roots in Anatolia etc) might be interested in the goings on there now and such is really a failurte on your part to understand quite a bit. And I know that the whole issue of Armenians is a sore one for many Turks and you would rather forget we exist(ed) at all - but sorry Osmanli - we just ain't going away. We still have continuing interest in affairs of the region - to include Anatolia and the entire Levant...many Armenians have roots (ancient and recent) in Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Iran and elsewhere in the region and issues regarding such - and regarding Turkey are of interest to us. And shame that you are so narrow minded yourself. Believe me - I am not a generaliser - I call em as I see em...and I find you to be somwhat sad...obviously you have at least a bit of education and some experience outside of your country...why then do you come accross as ignorant and laughable as Borat?
Oh and BTW - Armenian Genocide is fact. Loser.
Aight, btw 1.5million begun to propoganda all about anti nation trash; he needed because a new member was interested with this topic. Posted almost everything unrelated to this topic. I don't understand really how the hell moderators are still allowing this guy to convert every single topic to his own trash.
listen up idiot; jews are not only israeli or german, spanish, american... There are turkish jews and turkic jews from the history. There are kipchak jews they are turkics before the islam. There are christian turkics such as gagauzians. Dont be idiot, judaism is not belongs to only israelis. How can you guy be soooo damn stupit
BTW - I have several good friends who are Turkish-Jews (or ex Turkish in a sense...but still Jews!) - one hooked us up the first time we visted Turkey to stay at a very special place (well great room anyway) in Istanbul..
There is no propaganda regarding the Armenian Genocide - it is called historical fact/truth...those like you who deny have self-propagandized into disbelieving and discounting...don't blame me if you haven't got what it takes (mentally and in regards to emotional maturity) to do better...
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