Sorry for interupting the Sari Nuseibeh discussion but I just have to answer newsguy and mediocrates.
They clearly wanted to provoce and they succeded. I get provoced by the fact that they knows absolutely nothing about swedish history and sweden as a county and that they nevertheless keeps critisising it.
I had heard that sweden is still considered to be more or less hostile in Israel but I must admit that Im surprised to see to what extent.
Not true. Apart from the nazi collaboration. Not proud of that. Not my decision though. Also we collaborated to larger extent with the allies so its not entirely true. USA is too big to know anything about having superpowers as neighbours and the need of careful diplomacy. Its just so. Israel would also been forced to use nothing but diplomacy considering its neighbours if it wasnt for USA. Sweden had no military backup ever against the russians and germans. Stronger neighbours than Israel and no backup. Thats the situation. For hundreds and hundreds of years. Have never collaborated with the russians nor islamists.Yes, of course, a tradition of never taking a firm position against Nazism, Communism, nor Islamic terrorism. Collaborate with whichever brutal, immoral regime threatens world peace, and hopefully you will be saved. Great tradition, Northlander, but not one that I'd be proud of if I were you.
Not true. We are into the same sanctions that other european countries. Iraq for example.why is Israel the ONLY country your UN representative ever proposed bringing a resolution against?
And I wont admit I am biased against Israel. Im not. I have nothing against jews or israelis. Its hard NOT to take the israeli side. Its hard NOT to get impressed by the things accomplished.
I support Israel as a country but not everythning they ever did.
And not some of their current politics. As I said before, had I been on a palestinian forum I would have even more things to critise.
You cant compare the democracy israel with PA.
Its no hypocracy. Its you that are blinded by the fact that you want all people to choose side. Why should I? Both sides are wrong and right. But you are 20 pro-israelis here and when I dont agree to israels politics its better to speak up. Do you want me to agree on you on all issues? Wont happen. Im sure we agree on alot, probably more than separates us. Im not a hypocrit by critisising the leadership of both sides. But I havent found any arab on this forum that I could critise.
When have I said any of that?Israel and the US are the worst countries in the world
Israelis and Americans are the worst people in the world
Americans have never built, created, written or done anything of any significance, ever.
Israel and America are the only countries in the world where racism and slavery are official policy
The EU is the light of the world.
God made the Norwegians and Swedes in his own image and everyone else is a ****ty clone.
I have critisised USAs foreign politics but nothing else.
I dont even support EU. I voted against it and Im not religous.
This was fun. Lets play that game. You should read up on european military history. After the capsizing you refer to sweden went from being a poor undeveloped country outside europe to become the strongest military and political power. That was BEFORE the 30year war when we was more or less alone on keeping up the fighting on the protestant side. We probably have had 30 larger naval battles after that mainly with the russians and danes after but Im sure they are not famous in USA.It ridiculous really. A country who's last great naval engagement consisted of the largest warship in the world capsizing 300 yards from its maiden berth in calm seas and no wind with the loss of all hands on board and who's contribution to the 20th century is the commemoration of dynamite and a sudden withdrawal to 'neutrality' which is the same thing as whoredom chattering on what's right and what's not. Stick to making booze out of fish.
Sweden had less population than any of our neighbours at that time, even denmark, and we were much poorer, still Sweden become more and more successful on the battlefield. It was ONLY because of military tradition and military development. We modernized all aspects of warfare up to the beginning of the 18th century. Naval and land. The offensive and aggresive use of cavalry was the trademark but later on also the techniques for fortifications was modernised. We even did "an israel" in the late 17th century when the king Carl XII was just a teenager. All neighbouring countries attacked surpisingly in the belive that the young king would be an easy target and that this was the chance to finally take back all areas that sweden had taken form them. The military infrastructure of sweden was working perfectly and in a series of attacks into their countries they were one by one forced to accept peace. The main enemy russia was dealt with last and they were then rapidly forced back from all swedish lands. Then one of the biggest military mistakes ever took room which eventually lead to the end of Sweden as a great power in europe.An invasion of russia. After a number of successive attacks on the numerious superior, and technically inferior russians the swedes was finally defeated down in ukraine and 100 years later we had lost most of our lands. It is a period of military strength for 150 years. Fairly long considering our strategicly weak position and the populations of our enemies. 200 years even if you consider our fight for independence from the union with the danes and the defensive wars after against the russians when we lost balticum and finland etc. In total its at least as long as USA has been a great military power. Our military traditions are gone now which is all for the best in my opinion but you are not accurate when seeing sweden as a joke military. Probably only Prussia has had more military traditions historically in northern europe.
We have played it even with the russians in war after war after war. USAs naval history is like a joke compared was it not for the pacific and WWII.
Making booze out of fish? Never heard of. I will pretend I have something against americans personally and fall down to your level. Its not surprising to hear this arrogant views from americans. Everytime we sees them on TV its in funny movies when they ask people on the streets easy questions like "point out england on this map" They never get it right. The level of education is beyond belife over there. Its a miracle they HAVE accomplished anything. They still belive they are the only democracy in the world even though their own president did not even have the majority of the votes. A laughing matter to the whole world that is. They should stick to eating their hamburgers which they do just fine if you consider the average weight in the states. That they picture themselves over and over again as rich and beautiful in numerous shallow and dumb movies and TV series is once again a laughing matter. They have a white rasist overclass that supress the black/latino population and most of the others and they dont even know it themselves. Once again we saw white fat cops beating up a black child just days ago.
Arrogant and uneducated in general. Americans still belive that france is a city in england and that life in USA is so great compared to europe or asia. Tell that to the bagladies and trailorfolks.
So,do I belive all this or do I get along just fine with my american friends and collegues? Are there americans and americans just as there are swedes and swedes?
I dont think you know anything about sweden at all. You probably havent been here and seen for yourself. We have as high material livingstandard but better distributed than US. Less crime. Less poverty. Better healthcare. Less unemployment.
Better educational system.
We are the size of a large city and are leading in numerous reasearch areas. Medicine together with USA. Alot of technological areas as IT etc. Number 3 after USA and Finland when it comes to implementation of IT sollutions was the latest I heard from american investors. We have not much natural resources and we have received no help from others.
We have given more aid to less developed countries than most and taken in more refugees than many others.
I think its fair to say we have done quite good as a nation. So why should I bother what you say really? Well, just because its irritating. I have learned you language and seen your country, not the opposite. Had I said that Israel or USA is a BS, underdeveloped country you would react too. USA is behind much of the development in the western world, Im aware of that. And I have said that israel is a well developed country not only compared to the region. It has done tremendously well considering the difficulties it have had. But it has also recieved huge amounts of help from US. Thats why I think Israeli politics and the current governments policies are the more tragic. One could expect different sollutions and other approaches to its problems from a country with Israels intelligencia. That goes for many influencial americans too.
That doesnt mean Im a supporter of Syria or Iraq. Those countries are not comparable. Im taking part of sanctions against Iraq right now, even though I think they are not effective and just makes ordinary people suffer. I wont even argue when USA launches its attack later. In your mind it really seems that war is better than peace. A country without war is not honorable. Well, that has to stand for you. I dont agree.
Sorry for going off topic.