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    Satmar Hassidim slam Neturei Karta over Iran

    It seems that the infamous Neturei Karta, every anti-Semite's favorite Jews, have yet again shot themselves in the foot by participating in the Holocaust denial conference in Iran. This time, though, they've pissed off even their closest allies.

    Satmar court slams Neturei Karta

    The Satmar Hassidism Court published an unprecedented statement calling on the public to disassociate themselves from the seven Neturei Karta members who visited Iran to attend the Holocaust denial conference this week.

    The Satmar movement printed an official placard, with bold black lettering, publicly denouncing “fanaticism, and those committing insane acts to walk hand in hand with the Arabs.”

    The court further ordered that the offenders be shunned and their actions be condemned. It slams the offenders for “joining in desecrating the name of the heavens.

    The declaration expresses astonishment at how a few people “dared attend a special conference of the nations of the world that despise Israel (may the names of the evil rot), deny the Holocaust, and deny and belittle the immensity of the evil and murder of those killed for sanctifying the lord; they desecrated the name of the heavens.”

    Residents of the Orthodox neighborhood of Mea Shearim said that the Orthodox leaders could not stand the fact that those individuals who visited Iran identify themselves as Satmar Jews, and thus stain the name of Orthodoxy.

    The Satmar Orthodox group is the largest Orthodox sector worldwide, numbering some 120,000 people, and holds adamant anti-Zionist views.

    Yitzhak Weiss, an editor of a Hassidic journal, told Ynet: “The rabbinate issued the declaration to attack those Orthodox who represented Orthodox Judaism at the Holocaust denial conference. What they did there is a simple crime against humanity.”


    They got one thing wrong though; the Satmars are NOT the largest Orthodox denomination.
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    I can't believe that some people even can reject that their ancestors were being murdered

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    Wow, some beauty contest. NK versus the fur hats. What a shower of useless bastards, all of them.

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    It's even more amazing that these people have what....two or three thousand followers in Israel?

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    From what I understand those 7 live in Israel (correct me if I am wrong).

    Why doesn't Israel kick them out for good now? They will be a lot more popular in Iran or Syria anyway so let these bastards live there

    It's one thing to be an anti-Zionist and interpret Torah in such a way that Jews should not have their own state (yet). It's a compeletely different thing to be buddying around someone like Hitler but more dangerous (being one of billions Muslims worldwide) whose life's mission is to exterminate Jews

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    Rabbis Call to Excommunicate Neturei Karta Members in Iran
    15:34 Dec 14, '06 / 23 Kislev 5767
    by Hana Levi Julian and Hillel Fendel

    Israel’s Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yona Metzger and the Save the Nation and Land rabbinic organization have called for members of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta sect to be excommunicated.

    The unusal calls follow the visit to Iran by a group of senior officials of the small sect to take part in a conference aiming to present evidence that the Holocaust never took place. Photographs of the hareidi-looking Jews happily embracing Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad have been widely circulated in many countries.

    Chief Rabbi Metzger called on all rabbis and communities in Israel and around the world to honor the memory of the Holocaust victims by adhering to the cherem call against the Neturei Karta members.

    Rabbis of the Save the Nation and Land also made a similar call to "shun those who visited Iran, and they may not take part in communal events." The organization plans to place ads in the religious press, with the pictures and addresses of the men to be excommunicated.

    The organization issued this statement:
    "While the entire world is shocked at the provocative threats to destroy the Jewish presence in the Land of Israel, Jews dressed as hareidim come to identify and show solidarity with the leader of Iran, may his name be erased. Aside from the terrible desecration of G-d's Name before the whole world, this is also aid and cooperation for the plans of enemies of Israel to carry out another Holocaust, may G-d save us, upon millions of Jews. These despicable people must be excommunicated, and every Jew is forbidden to have contact with them and certainly not to include them in prayers and the like."

    Rabbi Metzger said in his statement to Jewish leaders around the globe, “They [those who embraced Ahmadinajad] betrayed the Jewish people and their heritage and particularly disgraced and desecrated the memory of the Holocaust. With their shameful behavior, they tried to stain the Jewish people, who shy away from this low conduct.”

    Former Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, a child Holocaust survivor who is currently the Chief Rabbi of Tel Aviv, also condemned the Neturei Karta group. "It is something completely insane," he said flatly. “Is it conceivable that any Jew, for whatever reason, would support a Holocaust denier in a generation when people with numbers tattooed on their arms are still among us? It is an insanity that has no justification and no explanation.”

    The hareidi religious Eida Hareidit, an anti-Zionist Jerusalem-based council of Hassidic courts and other hareidi religious groups - including the Neturei Karta - was equally harsh in its response to the group’s actions.

    In a sharply-worded editorial published Thursday, the Ha’Eida newspaper said, “That tiny group of wierdos is liable to incite hatred against hareidim.”

    Editor Shmuel Popenheim wrote in his piece, “Those people’s distorted anti-Zionist zealotry, which is sanctified in their eyes above and beyond the opinion of our Torah sages, brought them to that conference.” He stopped short of endorsing the call for a cherem on the group, and estimated there were no more than ten people in all of Israel who supported the group’s actions and perhaps some 25 others worldwide.

    In 2002, an American umbrella hareidi-religious group comprised of Satmar, Bobov, Belz, Vizhnitz, Munkacz, Kiryas Joel, Monroe, and other anti-Zionist communities, issued a statement sharply condemning those who openly sympathized with the PLO.

    "It is with shame, sadness and outrage," the statement read, "that we publicly condemn the irresponsible and dangerous actions of a small group of individuals [known generally as Neturei Karta] who have taken upon themselves to endanger the interests of the Jewish Nation, and especially our brethren in Zion, by their reprehensible actions in joining the enemies... Their depiction in the local and international media in religious garb and prayer shawls marching arm-in-arm with Palestinian Jew-haters has besmirched the reputations of hundreds of thousands of decent Orthodox, hareidi and Hassidic Jews worldwide. Unfortunately this despicable minuscule group, who were ejected decades ago from our synagogues and communities for similar activities, do not accept or listen to the rulings of the leaders of our communities... They should under no circumstances, Heaven forbid, be associated with any recognized hareidi or Hassidic community..."

    Israel Hirsch, one of the Neturei Karta participants of the conference, said his group “shares a common platform with Ahmadinejad when it comes to the so-called myth the Zionist movement created around the Holocaust.” A resident of Jerusalem’s Meah She'arim neighborhood, he said he "wanted to make it clear in Teheran that Zionism uses the Holocaust as an excuse for the existence of the Zionist state in the Land of Israel.”

    Hirsch went on to say that the Iranian claim is logical. “They aren’t saying that there wasn’t a Holocaust,” he insisted. “But who perpetrated the Holocaust? The Nazis, the Germans. So they should at least pay compensation to the Jewish nation and establish a Jewish state within Germany and not within the land of Israel, which belongs to the Palestinians.”

    This same group kissed and hugged Ahmadinejad when he appeared in New York to attend the opening of the United Nations General Assembly in September. They also exhorted Jews to pray for a Hizbullah victory during the second war with Lebanon after two IDF reservists were captured by the terror organization in a cross-border raid this summer.

    They attended the funeral of former Palestine Liberation Organization chairman and chief terrorist Yasser Arafat, and have been funded by Palestinian Authority terrorist organizations.

    Documents discosed by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center and the Center for Special Studies (CSS) reveal that Arafat paid more than $50,000 to Hirsch, considered the “foreign minister” of the anti-Zionist Neturei Karta sect.

    CSS stated that the documents uncovered during Operation Defense Shield carried out in Jenin by the IDF in April 2002 showed that Arafat paid $25,000 and $30,000 in January and February of that year for “expenses for activities.” The investigators noted that Neturei Karta frequently supported Arafat and served as a propaganda tool for him.

    Bolton: Charge Ahmadinejad With Inciting Genocide
    Meanwhile, the outgoing U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton is backing a call for the president of Iran to be charged with inciting genocide because of his speeches advocating the destruction of the State of Israel.

    Bolton is set to appear in New York Thursday among a panel of diplomats and lawyers calling for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to be prosecuted. The panel will be convened by the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

    The call for legal action came as Ahmadinejad repeated his onslaught against Israel at the gathering in Teheran, where he promised participants that the State of Israeli would soon be wiped out.
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=117448

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    Quote Originally Posted by Womble View Post
    They got one thing wrong though; the Satmars are NOT the largest Orthodox denomination.
    What is the largest Orthodox denomination?

    The Satmar are not the greatest people either. I have a feeling they are more upset at the fact that NK shook hands with Arabs, over the fact that they shook hands with Holocaust deniers.

    As far as ultra-Orthodox denominations go, I have always liked Chabad. How big is their community in Israel?
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    I was under the impression that Satmar was the largest Hassidic denomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssrt View Post
    I was under the impression that Satmar was the largest Hassidic denomination.
    Not really. Exact demographics comparisons for different denominations are not avaliable. However, the Satmars are estimated to number about 120 000 worldwide, while the CHABAD Lubawitch alone are estimated at 200 000- almost twice the number of Satmar followers.
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    Thank heavens that more and more Orthodox Jews are speaking out about these dreadful bastards.

    Neturei Karta should be ostracised and excommunicated from the international Jewish community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yala View Post
    What is the largest Orthodox denomination?
    M.O. probably.

    As far as ultra-Orthodox denominations go, I have always liked Chabad. How big is their community in Israel?
    Chabad is not 'ultra' Orthodox by anyone's definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    M.O. probably.
    What's that?

    Chabad is not 'ultra' Orthodox by anyone's definition.
    Hmm, well on this page (http://judaism.about.com/od/denomina...sm/a/habad.htm) and many others they are classified as being ultra Orthodox. What, in your opinion, makes one sect ultra Orthodox and others not so much? I always assumed that the Orthodox who wear the black hats and suits are "ultra" and that "ultra" pretty much equals "hassidic" (which I belive the Chabad-Lubavitch are).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yala View Post
    What's that?

    Modern Orthodox


    Hmm, well on this page (http://judaism.about.com/od/denomina...sm/a/habad.htm) and many others they are classified as being ultra Orthodox. What, in your opinion, makes one sect ultra Orthodox and others not so much? I always assumed that the Orthodox who wear the black hats and suits are "ultra" and that "ultra" pretty much equals "hassidic" (which I belive the Chabad-Lubavitch are).
    Chabadniks are some of the kindest, tolerant people you will meet. Ultraorthodox is as a practical matter a form of rigid Judaism and culture that's fundamentally opposed to outreach and is more interested in their own form of religoious purity to the absolute exclusion of everyone else. On its face that is in direct opposition to everything Chabad stands for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post

    Chabadniks are some of the kindest, tolerant people you will meet. Ultraorthodox is as a practical matter a form of rigid Judaism and culture that's fundamentally opposed to outreach and is more interested in their own form of religoious purity to the absolute exclusion of everyone else. On its face that is in direct opposition to everything Chabad stands for.
    The culture of the typical ultra-Orthodox sect may not encourage outreach to all Jews, etc, but that doesn't mean that technically that is what ultra-Orthodoxy is about. The Satmars & co have deviated from true Judaism and I would consider Chabad above them and truly more religious than them in the true sense of the word.
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    Well it does in a way. Haredim divide the world into themselves and apikorsim, even other Jews who they don't believe really are Jews. That's the key distinction between Chabad and others. The Satmars ruined a car that a member of my family used on Shabbat that she was forced to use because she was in a wheelchair. That's inhuman in my book and they justify it as entirely acceptable because anyone who's not them is a goyim mamzer who's not fit to lie with pigs. That's Ultraorthodox.

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