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    Doubts grow over Muslim lawmaker's loyalty

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    Doubts grow over Muslim lawmaker's loyalty
    Keith Ellison tied to group that holds Quran as highest legal authority

    HOMELAND INSECURITY
    Doubts grow over Muslim lawmaker's loyalty
    Keith Ellison tied to group that holds Quran as highest legal authority
    The first Muslim member of Congress is linked to a radical Islamic school of thought that requires loyalty to the Quran over the U.S. Constitution, WND has learned.

    Rep.-elect Keith (Hakim-Mohammed) Ellison, D-Minn., has drawn fire for asking to take the constitutional oath on the Quran rather than the Bible at a swearing-in ceremony next month.
    The Constitution specifies that members of Congress shall be bound by an oath to support the constitutional law of the land. In the oath, Ellison will be required to swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ... without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion."

    Critics argue he has conflicting loyalties, while Ellison insists he's a patriot.
    But within days of being elected, Ellison held a workshop on politics for a group closely affiliated with a radical Islamic school that preaches no Muslim can pledge loyalty to the Constitution or make laws outside the laws of the Quran, which the school's leaders assert is the "supreme law" of the land, trumping all man-made laws including the U.S. Constitution.
    A black convert to orthodox Sunni Islam, Ellison spoke to the North American Imams Federation, or NAIF, at the group's Nov. 19 conference in Minneapolis.
    His talk flowed into a breakout session listed on the agenda simply as "American Open University," according to the conference program. It turns out the university is a "distance-learning" center based in Alexandria, Va., and known to local law enforcement as "Wahhabi Online."
    Later that day, Ellison met with NAIF's president, Omar Ahmad Shahin, who lectures at the same American Open University. (He also met at the time with New York imam Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.) The radical Islamic school trains many of NAIF's more than 150 members, who control mosques across America.
    American Open University supports Sharia, or Islamic law. And its founder and chairman, Jaafar Sheikh Idris, has denounced the U.S system of democracy as "the antithesis of Islam" and argued no man has the right to make laws outside Allah's laws expressed in the Quran.
    "There is a basic difference between Islam and this form of democracy," he says. "The basic difference is that in Islam it is [Allah's] law as expressed in the Quran and the Sunna that is the supreme law within the limits of which people have the right to legislate.
    "No one can be a Muslim who makes or freely accepts or believes that anyone has the right to make or accept legislation that is contrary to that divine law," Idris adds. "Examples of such violations include the legalization of alcoholic drinks, gambling, homosexuality, usury or interest, and even adoption."
    Conversely, laws prohibiting polygamy and domestic violence also violate the Quran.
    Further, he maintains that no Muslim elected to Congress or the White House can swear to uphold the U.S. Constitution and still be a Muslim.
    "No Muslim could become president in a secular regime, for in order to pledge loyalty to the constitution, a Muslim would have to abandon part of his belief and embrace the belief of secularism - which is practically another religion. For Muslims, the word 'religion' does not only refer to a collection of beliefs and rituals, it refers to a way of life which includes all values, behaviors and details of living," Idris says. "Separation of religion and state is not an option for Muslims because it requires us to abandon [Allah's] decree for that of a man."
    He further explains: "Islam cannot be separated from the state because it guides Muslims through every detail of running the state and their lives. Muslims have no choice but to reject secularism for it excludes the laws of [Allah]."
    Also, he asserts that "there is absolutely no compromise: Any belief that contradicts Islam is false."
    Backed by CAIR
    Ellison's campaign was backed by the Washington-based lobby group Council on American-Islamic Relations, a partner organization to American Open University-affiliated NAIF. CAIR held fundraisers for Ellison, a civil-rights lawyer and one-time acolyte of Louis Farrakhan who admits to making anti-Semitic remarks in the past (under various alias including Keith Hakim, Keith Ellison-Muhammad and Keith X Ellison).
    CAIR's founder has argued the Quran should replace the Constitution as the highest authority in the land. The group's director of communications, moreover, has expressed his desire to see the U.S. become an Islamic state. CAIR is an offshoot of the Islamic Association for Palestine, a suspected front for the terrorist group Hamas.
    Pundit Dennis Prager and other critics have demanded Ellison take the constitutional oath on the Bible, arguing the constitution derives its authority from the Bible, not the Quran. If Ellison puts his hand on the Quran, Prager says he would be in effect nullifying his oath and undermining "American civilization."
    "He should not be allowed to do so," he asserted in a recent column.
    Another critic, Glenn Beck of CNN, questioned Ellison's loyalties. "Sir, prove to me that you are not working with our enemies," he asked Ellison on a recent show.
    "There's no one who is more patriotic than I am," Ellison replied. "And so, you know, I don't need to prove my patriotic stripes."
    Others point out Ellison has shown a pattern of disrespect for U.S. laws, raising the question whether he's qualified to make law. Failure to pay his taxes resulted in liens on his home. Failure to pay more than 40 parking and traffic tickets has twice led to suspension of his Minnesota license. He's also racked up hefty fines from campaign finance violations and defended the leader of a cop-killing gang.
    Red flags
    In addition to CAIR, the NAIF-affiliated American Open University, however, has raised a number of red flags at the FBI, including the fact that:
    • It's founder and chairman, Jaafar Idris, is a Sudanese radical on the Saudi payroll who was recently deported for visa fraud and spreading extremism in America. Idris, like NAIF's Shahin, studied Islam in Saudi Arabia and Sudan and says he has "great respect" for the father of the purist Wahhabi movement followed by Osama bin Laden - Saudi theologian Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.
    • A co-founder of the school, Salah As-Sawi, is a professor at Al-Azhar in Egypt, a bastion of the dangerous Muslim Brotherhood, which gave rise to Hamas and al-Qaida. In fact, American Open University is a fully accredited satellite campus of Al-Azhar. As-Sawi worked with Idris at the Institute of Arabic and Islamic Sciences in Washington, a propaganda center set up by the Saudi Embassy to spread Wahhabism in America. It was raided after 9/11 and is still under surveillance by federal authorities.
    • Alumni of the "university" include convicted members of the Virginia Jihad Network, who trained to kill American troops overseas.
    • The school has received funding from a suspected al-Qaida front that has expressly advocated suicide attacks and using airliners as weapons. The Islamic Assembly of North America, or IANA, is bankrolled by the Saudi religious minister who stayed at the same Washington-area hotel as the hijackers the night before they attacked the Pentagon. (He feigned a heart attack when FBI agents tried to question him and was subsequently evacuated with other Saudi officials on White House-approved escape flights after 9/11.)
    A former CAIR official, Bassem Khafagi, headed IANA. He pleaded guilty to terror-related charges and was deported after 9/11.
    Last month's NAIF conference program outlining Ellison's session, titled "Imams and Politics," says Muslim involvement in Western politics is a "sensitive" issue.
    "Imams must be able to provide Muslims with the proper guidance and educate them on the etiquettes [sic] of any political involvement within the Islamic context," the program says. "Questions also arise on whether imams and Islamic centers should be involved in politics at all and what the extent of this involvement should be."
    Transcripts of his talk and the subsequent breakout session on American Open University were not made available to the public.

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    What do non-christians swear the oath on?
    As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.

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    Swearing in should have nothing to do with religion because it is fundamentally a legal affirmation. By using ANY religious text the process is contaminated with individual belief instead of being simple acceptance of a legal obligation.
    Of course, I know he is disloyal because Islam and loyalty to the US are contradictory, but I find it very amusing that simpletons think that what stack of paper you place your hand on matters.
    His gesture is serving his intended purpose.

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    Swearing in should be done on the latest and most comprehensive publicly approved dictionary then, this would better symbolise a persons commitment to truth and clarity.
    As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.

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    What an alamist article.

    Ellison is barely a muslim. He's pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-womens rights. He married a christian (She never converted to islam) and he doesn't pray five times a day. He was endorsed by the Twin Cities newspaper, the American Jewish World, which said, "In Ellison, we have a moderate Muslim who extends his hand in friendship to the Jewish community and supports the security of the State of Israel."

    No one in Minnesota is going to lose sleep because he swore on a Qu'ran.

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    Welcome to IsraelForum. If you think nobody is going to lose sleep, you don't know IsraelForum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenneth View Post
    What do non-christians swear the oath on?
    According to this bunch of ignoramuses, if it's anything other than the Bible, it's null. These are the same ones complaining the most loudly that Muslims aren't tolerant. If they ran the country, my family and I would be killed or deported.

    BTW, Dennis Praeger, like Siraj Wahaj is also an unindicted co-conspirator on the WTC attacks. That is, there isn't enough evidence that he was involved to indict him.

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    Frida Kahlo
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    Hi andak01
    Quote Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
    Welcome to IsraelForum. If you think nobody is going to lose sleep, you don't know IsraelForum.
    Why is that? Are the people here overly islamophobic?

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    Keith Ellison will be judged by his actions and political stances, not by the particulars of his oath-taking.

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    KettleWhistle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frida Kahlo View Post
    Are the people here overly islamophobic?
    How do you define "islamophobic"?

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    Frida Kahlo
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    Quote Originally Posted by KettleWhistle View Post
    How do you define "islamophobic"?
    People who fear, dread, hate ANYTHING islamic, not just the few cultural anomalies that clash with western morals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frida Kahlo View Post
    Hi andak01

    Why is that? Are the people here overly islamophobic?
    Put it this way. You might be called a Nazi for using the word islamophobic.

    Although I'll defend the right of anyone to criticize people who want to kill them or who cause them to be hated, causing Islam to be thought of as an evil monolith is an obstacle to tolerance and interfaith communication.

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    Oh well… I’ve dealt with the kind of people who label any criticism of Israel as Nazism and I’ve dealt with people who blame every Jew for what Israel does. <sigh> It can’t be helped.

    Quote Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
    Although I'll defend the right of anyone to criticize people who want to kill them.
    I agree. But they must be specific. Not every Muslim wants to kill every Jew/Israeli/Zionist

    Quote Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
    causing Islam to be thought of as an evil monolith is an obstacle to tolerance and interfaith communication.
    Amen.

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    "People who fear, dread, hate ANYTHING islamic, not just the few cultural anomalies that clash with western morals."

    (Quick aside and OT too, but I'm curious WTF is someone with a Maoist-romanticist/Sendero Luminoso fangirl forum username like "Frida Kahlo" doing defending tolerance of any religion? If anyone should appreciate the profound toxicity of such superstition (other than the cult of personality surrounding the dear Chairman), it should be a Maoist. )

    I don't "fear, dread, or hate" Islam. I OPPOSE it. Hatred interferes with judgement, dread is paralyzing, and fear breeds weakness.

    I don't even "hate" the folks who flew aircraft into the WTC and Pentagon. They were simply fighting with the tools available. My side has GPS and inertial navigation to steer its missile while theirs has people at the flight controls of borrowed aircraft.

    This is about fundamental cultural conflict. We fight FOR what we prefer and identify with, and AGAINST that which conflicts with it. I find the idea that religions are all good and we jus' all Gawds chillun' a scornworthy rationalization that refuses to objectively analyze what each religion does and how it affects the world.

    We can admit political enemies but not religious ones? That defies logic!

    As for Ellison, like most US Muslims who are converts, he is basically a fringe character and religious in name only. Like the Farrakhan pseudo-Muslims, he _says_ he's Muslim and that's about all. Given his expressed stances I doubt Muslims have any use for him other than propaganda.

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    Frida Kahlo
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    Quote Originally Posted by ”farmall”
    (Quick aside and OT too, but I'm curious WTF is someone with a Maoist-romanticist/Sendero Luminoso fangirl forum username like "Frida Kahlo" doing defending tolerance of any religion? If anyone should appreciate the profound toxicity of such superstition (other than the cult of personality surrounding the dear Chairman), it should be a Maoist. )
    “WTF” !?! I'm curious “WTF” is someone with redneck, white, wonder bread, bible belt, bread basket, agrarian username like FARM ALL doing online…period? If anyone should appreciate the profound toxicity of the average xenophobic American farming community it should be someone on a mostly jewish forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by ”farmall”
    (I don't "fear, dread, or hate" Islam. I OPPOSE it.
    Excuse me? Did someone accuse YOU of anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by ”farmall”
    (I don't even "hate" the folks who flew aircraft into the WTC and Pentagon. They were simply fighting with the tools available. My side has GPS and inertial navigation to steer its missile while theirs has people at the flight controls of borrowed aircraft.
    I do. They targeted and killed innocent people out of revenge. The fact that their culture may not value technology as much as ours in no excuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by ”farmall”
    This is about fundamental cultural conflict. We fight FOR what we prefer and identify with, and AGAINST that which conflicts with it. I find the idea that religions are all good and we jus' all Gawds chillun' a scornworthy rationalization that refuses to objectively analyze what each religion does and how it affects the world.
    Granted. But to be fair, If you fight against religion and cultural traits that conflict with our secular morals, then you must do so fairly, across the board. I hate the cultural practice amongst Hmongs of marrying off their barely teenage daughters to older men as much as I detest the same practice in rural Muslim communities, and off shoot Mormon sects.

    Quote Originally Posted by ”farmall”
    We can admit political enemies but not religious ones? That defies logic!
    Who said that? In a secular society, religion should be as private a matter as sexual preferences. Problems arise when religion is imposed or compelled on others by means of a theocracy, which is…politics.

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