Doubts grow over Muslim lawmaker's loyalty

[andak01]

This is who you are dealing with. Farmall is genocide waiting to happen.
And IsraelForum allows types like this and myself to become Senior Member. You decide who is more dangerous.

Farmall -
I disagree. We are CULTURAL enemies. I wish the Muslim world had a collective throat, and my hands were on it.

If we are to take the conflict to a level where the complacent West has the motivation to fight a war that may require nuclear attacks and massive enemy "civilian" (not that there can be innocence in a cultural war, innocence is not a choice) casualties, we must hate with an implacable and pure hatred. The enemy is every breathing Muslim, every age, every gender. The young grow up to fight, and the breeders spew forth more soldiers.

Muslims know this because their ideology is crystal clear, but the effeminate weaklings of the West refuse to admit it.

I don't gripe about Arab celebrations of 9/11, I thank the celebrants for helping educate the stupid.

http://israelforum.com/board/showpos...2&postcount=13[/QUOTE]

[KettleWhistle]

People who fear, dread, hate ANYTHING islamic, not just the few cultural anomalies that clash with western morals.

That's an awefully sweeping statement. I'd think most non-Muslims in their right minds would fear this type of thinking: http://patrickhenrysongs.com/Apology...edia-HiFi.html

[andak01]

Actually the Turks haven't staged bloody riots or been implicated in assisting terrorists. They are the among the most moderate and for that matter secular of Muslim nations. So I don't see any constructive purpose to a link like that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the Ottomans. But they didn't do worse to anyone than what we did to the slaves and the Indians. Would you rather pay a dhimmi tax and not have to serve in the military or have all of your land taken from you, have your language and religion stolen from you and be forced to live in a reservation? Not much of a choice, but better still than what the slaves faced both in America and under the Ottomans.

Thankfully, the corrupt Ottoman empire folded up shop between the World Wars. We were still lynching blacks and making them go to separate dhimmi Jim Crow toilets until I was a boy.

[Frida Kahlo]

This is who you are dealing with. Farmall is genocide waiting to happen.
And IsraelForum allows types like this and myself to become Senior Member. You decide who is more dangerous.

Good grief! Thanks for the heads up. When I signed up for this forum I clearly remember reading that stuff like what you quoted from Farmall would be deleted. Hmmmm...

[farmall]

"And IsraelForum allows types like this and myself to become Senior Member. You decide who is more dangerous."

And that they should! This is what forums like this are for.

I strongly support freedom of speech for those who disagree with me, no matter what they advocate. I am content to chat with anyone, be they absolute pacifist, Taliban, Communist, Nazi, Christian, Jew, or apolitical and indifferent.

The competition of ideologies and mutually exclusive worldviews entails the expression of "dangerous" (from some POVs) ideas.
Even those who don't like mine (or yours) can examine and compare, and perhaps learn something.

The quoted post was pointed out to me, and I have since used more tact. I don't renounce the opinion, but will conform to the rules and be polite now and in future.

[Frida Kahlo]

That's an awefully sweeping statement.

How so?

I'd think most non-Muslims in their right minds would fear this type of thinking: http://patrickhenrysongs.com/Apology...edia-HiFi.html

and this type of thinking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDxM9oHLp3k Made by the same person / child.

[psyops]

The Koran is an intolerant obscenity running counter to everything Western Civilization stands for.

[Frida Kahlo]

The Koran is an intolerant obscenity running counter to everything Western Civilization stands for.

I can quote you some pretty obscene stuff from the Bible and the Torah.

The obscenity running counter to everything western civilization stands for is when governments use the Qu'ran, a 1000 year old text, and ahadith as their contemporary Sharia Law. Many progressive Muslims know this, but our powerless to make changes in their theocratic / monarchic countries.

[psyops]

I can quote you some pretty obscene stuff from the Bible and the Torah.

The obscenity running counter to everything western civilization stands for is when governments use the Qu'ran, a 1000 year old text, and ahadith as their contemporary Sharia Law. Many progressive Muslims know this, but our powerless to make changes in their theocratic / monarchic countries.

Yes, well, the difference of course is that the vast majority of Christians and Jews don't take religious texts LITTERALLY. Most Muslims do.

[andak01]

The Koran is an intolerant obscenity running counter to everything Western Civilization stands for.

And how does it make the world a more tolerant that you believe that? You've just bashed 20% of the world's population. What do you plan to do with people who follow an intolerant obscenity? Kill us? Deport us? Force us to convert? Burn our Qurans? That'll show whose morally superior!

2:136
Say ye: "We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."

[andak01]

The obscenity running counter to everything western civilization stands for is when governments use the Qu'ran, a 1000 year old text, and ahadith as their contemporary Sharia Law. Many progressive Muslims know this, but our powerless to make changes in their theocratic / monarchic countries.

Not even! You can't deprive a woman of an education with Sharia. You can't keep her from driving with Sharia. You can't mistreat her when she's been raped and let the rapist go free with Sharia. You can't justify killing innocent women and children with Sharia. What those places practice is Sharia in name only.

I doubt you can burn Indians at the stake or kidnap children from their parents or assist and harbor Nazis according to Christian Cannonical law. But representatives of the Catholic church did all that.

[Frida Kahlo]

Not even! You can't deprive a woman of an education with Sharia. You can't keep her from driving with Sharia. You can't mistreat her when she's been raped and let the rapist go free with Sharia. You can't justify killing innocent women and children with Sharia. What those places practice is Sharia in name only.

Sharia or ISLAMIC jurisprudence... no matter how it is practiced, it is unfair to anyone not muslim living under it. Where there is a diverse population, secular jurisprudence is the only fair method.

I doubt you can burn Indians at the stake or kidnap children from their parents or assist and harbor Nazis according to Christian Cannonical law. But representatives of the Catholic church did all that.

So? (Ad hominem. Just because other groups did some heinous cr@p in the past doesn't excuse it for any group in the present)

[Frida Kahlo]

Yes, well, the difference of course is that the vast majority of Christians and Jews don't take religious texts LITTERALLY. Most Muslims do.

No Christians/Jews just pick and choose which parts of the Bible / Torah they want to take literally. (Christians will push that "all life is sacred" to the point where women will lose the rights over their own bodies and Jews take "To your descendants I will give this land" quite literally.) and Yes, most muslims do take the classical arabic Qu'ran very literally.

[andak01]

No Christians/Jews just pick and choose which parts of the Bible / Torah they want to take literally. (Christians will push that "all life is sacred" to the point where women will lose the rights over their own bodies and Jews take "To your descendants I will give this land" quite literally.) and Yes, most muslims do take the classical arabic Qu'ran very literally.

Muslims, like Christians and Jews are likely to stress certain parts of the religion and not put enough emphasis on others. The jihadis have ignored almost every other aspect of the religion in favor of lesser jihad. They ignore their families and the future welfare of their communities. They ignore their children's education. They allow their wives and children to remain illiterate rather than expose them to things that will help them to be better members of society.

But a literal interpretation has to include the whole message, not part of it. If a man wanted to marry a second wife according to the literal interpretation of the Quran, it would be next to impossible. If he wanted to punch his wife by literal interpretation of the Quran and Sunna, it would be impossible. It isn't literal interpretation but partial and uninformed interpretation that is the problem.

[psyops]

What do you plan to do with people who follow an intolerant obscenity? Kill us? [/i]

In fact my fellow Rangers are doing that very thing as we speak.