Home | Watch the video. Brigitte Gabriel is an American who was grew up in Lebanon and she is telling her story about the life in Lebanon.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYyu4vsZ6Y
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It's about time they replaced Hirsi Ali. Ali lost here credibility when they found out she was lying about her name and her childhood, one of the pillars of her story. People like Ali go and write for the American Enterprise Institute. We'll see how Bridgette fairs if anyone actually bothers to research her stories.
In May 2006 the Dutch television program "Zembla"[12] reported that Hirsi Ali had given false information about her real name, her age and the country she arrived from when originally applying for asylum in the Netherlands. The program also presented evidence that she was untruthful about the main reason for her asylum application being forced marriage.
Hirsi Ali admitted that she had lied about her full name, her date of birth and the manner in which she came to the Netherlands. However, several sources, including her first book The Son Factory, which was published in 2002 stated her real name and date of birth, and Hirsi Ali also publicly stated her real name and date of birth in a September 2002 interview published in the political magazine HP/De Tijd.[13][14][15] and in an interview in the VARA gids (2002).[16] So these details were considered by many to be public knowledge. Furthermore, Hirsi Ali has asserted that she had made full disclosure of the matter to VVD officials when she was first invited to run for parliament in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
Last edited by andak01; 12-27-2006 at 07:04 AM.
Who's they? And what "replacement" are you talking about?Originally Posted by andak01
Her credibility as to what exactly?Ali lost here credibility when they found out she was lying about her name and her childhood, one of the pillars of her story.
Plus your own excerpt says "However, several sources, including her first book The Son Factory, which was published in 2002 stated her real name and date of birth, and Hirsi Ali also publicly stated her real name and date of birth in a September 2002 interview published in the political magazine HP/De Tijd.[13][14][15] and in an interview in the VARA gids (2002).[16] So these details were considered by many to be public knowledge."
People like her? What does it take to be like her?People like Ali go and write for the American Enterprise Institute.
Bridgette has been speaking out against Islamofascism for a while now, and she's faired just fine, much to the dismay of apologists like you.We'll see how Bridgette fairs if anyone actually bothers to research her stories.
If she bothers you so much, why don't you go research it for us, instead of throwing underhanded smears and red herrings around.
Opportunisticly play to stereotypes about Arabs by making up stories. She fabricated her entire childhood even to what country she lived in in order to get Dutch citizenship and sympathy for the aweful things she claimed happened to her at the hands of Muslims has propelled her into speaking engagements everywhere and a job at the American Enterprise propaganda factory.
She represents one side and one side only of a bloody civil war that included massacres on both sides. Both sides committed war crimes, rape and human rights violations. There were massacres by the Maronites in Sabra and Shatilla and Tel al Zataar as well as by the PLO in Damour. The red herring is to believe that the actions of Lebanese Arabs or of any Arabs during a civil war are representative of their actions in other places and other times.Bridgette has been speaking out against Islamofascism for a while now, and she's faired just fine, much to the dismay of apologists like you.
If she bothers you so much, why don't you go research it for us, instead of throwing underhanded smears and red herrings around.
Typical andakian bs. Let's not actually discuss anything that Ms. Gabriel says, but just attack her by saying that somebody once lied who was also attacking Islamists so this woman must be lying too.
It would be pathetic and sad if it wasn't so predictable.
One thing I don't understand is why is the Arab world is so much socially messed up?
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
Imperialism, Zionism, the USA, everything under the sun but they.
"…is illiteracy, ideological fear, and mental paralysis? Why do expressions of tolerance, moderation, rationalism, compromise, and negotiation horrify us, but [when we hear] fervent cries for vengeance, we all dance the war dance? Why have the people of the world managed to mourn their pasts and move on, while we have…our gloomy bereavement over a past that does not pass? Why do other people love life, while we love death and violence, slaughter and suicide, and call it heroism and martyrdom…?"
http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2005/issue4/jv9no4a5.html#_ednref3
As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.
I'm interested in how people around here go absolutely blind when it comes to negative sources about Arabs. Yes, there is plenty negative to say, but don't you care what's the truth and what not? If I started making up stuff out of whole cloth about Israel, I'd have demonstrators at my doorstep, but invent something negative about Muslims and Arabs and you get a book deal!
I'll never forget hearing an "expert" on the Today Show say that jihad is one of the pillars of Islam. We have five pillars and that ain't one! People go around saying we worship the moon or that we have no concept of mercy or forgiveness ( Allah is ar-Raheem the Merciful and al-Ghuffar the Forgiving ). People lie and ask when Muslims are going to march against terrorism- as if it never happened.
And all of this is in the service of self-serving deviciveness that is being used to drive moderate Muslims to the edge of society. It's clear that hate mongering is a profitable business. Neither a Muslim nor a Christian nor a Jew can make a living going around saying that we should live together. They are drowned in the din of hatred engendered by ignoramuses on both sides that should be ignored in favor of seeking harmony.
So go ahead, try and put the stench of terrorism on people who don't deserve it. Create a society of mistrust for your children. That's your legacy.
So what ya saying cheif, that all is good in Arab society?
As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.
Posted by andak01:
I'm interested in how people around here go absolutely blind when it comes to negative sources about Arabs.
I've red plenty about Arabs and can tell you they have nothing that would impress me.
Yes, there is plenty negative to say, but don't you care what's the truth and what not? If I started making up stuff out of whole cloth about Israel, I'd have demonstrators at my doorstep, but invent something negative about Muslims and Arabs and you get a book deal!
Really? Mein Kempf is one of the most popular books sold with Arabs. Go figure.
I'll never forget hearing an "expert" on the Today Show say that jihad is one of the pillars of Islam. We have five pillars and that ain't one! People go around saying we worship the moon or that we have no concept of mercy or forgiveness ( Allah is ar-Raheem the Merciful and al-Ghuffar the Forgiving ). People lie and ask when Muslims are going to march against terrorism- as if it never happened.
Did it?
And all of this is in the service of self-serving deviciveness that is being used to drive moderate Muslims to the edge of society. It's clear that hate mongering is a profitable business. Neither a Muslim nor a Christian nor a Jew can make a living going around saying that we should live together. They are drowned in the din of hatred engendered by ignoramuses on both sides that should be ignored in favor of seeking harmony.
Imagine me a Jew living in an Arab country or an Arab living in a Western country (and I dare say Israel). Who do you think is safer for whom? As I said nothing impresses me about the Arabs.
So go ahead, try and put the stench of terrorism on people who don't deserve it. Create a society of mistrust for your children. That's your legacy.
Sorry, the Arab world is a cr**p whole and there is nothing there that would impress me or has anything I would care to understand. Arabs, not Muslims.
I recently heard Robert Fisk!!!, say on NPR "The World" that apparently Arabs don't need a Democracy!!!! In all seriousness!!!! Is that what you want to hear?
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
Source.
Yes. It happened in Casablanca in Jordan and in Egypt. My sister-in-law was there. And as you know, I've already repeatedly linked to the events. But tell the same lie again and again till it sinks in.I'll never forget hearing an "expert" on the Today Show say that jihad is one of the pillars of Islam. We have five pillars and that ain't one! People go around saying we worship the moon or that we have no concept of mercy or forgiveness ( Allah is ar-Raheem the Merciful and al-Ghuffar the Forgiving ). People lie and ask when Muslims are going to march against terrorism- as if it never happened.
Did it?
If you were referring to the recent war in Lebanon, the casualty rates show that it was around ten times safer to be a civilian in Israel than in Lebanon.And all of this is in the service of self-serving deviciveness that is being used to drive moderate Muslims to the edge of society. It's clear that hate mongering is a profitable business. Neither a Muslim nor a Christian nor a Jew can make a living going around saying that we should live together. They are drowned in the din of hatred engendered by ignoramuses on both sides that should be ignored in favor of seeking harmony.
Imagine me a Jew living in an Arab country or an Arab living in a Western country (and I dare say Israel). Who do you think is safer for whom? As I said nothing impresses me about the Arabs.
As for being an Arab in a western country, I pray that the angry bigots don't take over. And I'll guarantee you that if and when they do, things will get worse for Muslims and Jews. When hate crime goes up for Muslims, all hate crime increases.
If we'd actually given any of them a democracy, it would be an improvement. We haven't bestowed on them any better than what they had before by any measure. Elections of people who can't even live in the country and whose names cannot appear on the ballot. Censured press. Torture. Assassinations. Shortages worse than they had under sanctions. 50% unemployment and civil war. Are Shiite thugs and civil war the democracy we talk about? Is the resurgient Taliban the democracy we talk about? Is increased heroin trade the democracy we talk about? Going on six years, 3000 Americans and a quarter trillion dollars later and what have we achieved?I recently heard Robert Fisk!!!, say on NPR "The World" that apparently Arabs don't need a Democracy!!!! In all seriousness!!!! Is that what you want to hear?
@ mil
Definitely!Did it?
How sad, that a Jew, descendent of people who have suffered the brunt of worldwide persecution throughout millennia, wouldn’t understand the danger of embracing bigotry. You should know better. Millions of arabs and you will lump them with the few crazy zealots that not only commit terrorist acts against us but also against their Muslim brothers?
That's very moving and all, but you forgot one little detail. When the shoe fits...
And let's not forget, that Arabs and other Muslims generally protest terrorism against their own. Like the Jordanians that were protesting bombings in Jordan. And it is only Arab countries that show TV commercials aiming to convince the populace not to participate in terrorist activities. I can't think of any Western countries needing anything of the sort.
http://www.noterror.info/campaign.wmv
Andak's quote was in response to Kenneth saying "Imperialism, Zionism, the USA, everything under the sun but they" is the reason Arab society is messed up. As usual Andak dismisses Kenneth's answer as ridiculous and totally without merit. You be the judge:
An Interview With Al-Jazeera Editor-in-Chief Ahmed Sheikh
Pierre Heumann | 07 Dec 2006
World Politics Watch
Pierre Heumann of the Swiss weekly Die Weltwoche spoke with Al-Jazeera Editor-in-Chief Ahmed Sheikh in Doha.
Excerpt:
Do you mean to say that if Israel did not exist, there would suddenly be democracy in Egypt, that the schools in Morocco would be better, that the public clinics in Jordan would function better?
I think so.
Can you please explain to me what the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has to do with these problems?
The Palestinian cause is central for Arab thinking.
In the end, is it a matter of feelings of self-esteem?
Exactly. It's because we always lose to Israel. It gnaws at the people in the Middle East that such a small country as Israel, with only about 7 million inhabitants, can defeat the Arab nation with its 350 million. That hurts our collective ego. The Palestinian problem is in the genes of every Arab. The West's problem is that it does not understand this.
http://worldpoliticswatch.com/article.aspx?id=395
There are more gems in the article about suicide bombings being totally legit and other delusional rants but I think the above sums up the situation quite well.
"It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders
We overestimated their will for progress. We won't make the same mistake again. It is only dictators henceforth in the M.E. for the foreseeable future. We will now look at Arabs as everyone on the left has always seen them: as babies who are unable to take care of themselves and who should not be held accountable for any of their actions. I'm glad we will all finally be on the same page.
"It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders
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