Hamas threatens terrorism if Israel punishes terrorists' families

[ibrodsky]

Israel is reportedly expelling the families of West Bank terrorists to Gaza and demolishing their homes. Hamas has announced they will unleash terrorist attacks all over Israel if Israel goes through with this policy.

Just think: up until now Hamas has been restrained, but if Israel expels the families of WB terrorists to Gaza, then Hamas will stop being nice.

Should Israel expel them to Lebanon as at least one Israeli leader demands?

Will house demolition/expulsion to Gaza be enough to discourage suicide/homicide mass murder terrorists?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Should Israel expel them to Lebanon as at least one Israeli leader demands?

Will house demolition/expulsion to Gaza be enough to discourage suicide/homicide mass murder terrorists?

There is no doubt in my mind that taking action against people that the Arab mass murderers care about, will serve as deterrent in the war against terrorism. Unfortunately, it will not put an absolute end to Arab terrorism, but it will serve as a powerful tool if used correctly.

I would not recommend sending those people to Lebanon, because that area is nothing but a cesspool of Islamic terrorism and is a historical training ground for Arab mass murderers.

Instead, I would consider expelling them to Jordan, or just put in a special holding area in the Gaza strip, to be treated humanely but without any creature comforts.

Demolition of the homes of the terrorists and of their families is a good idea as well to act in combination with the expoulsion.

To be clear, none of this is a preferred situation. In fact, these are last-resort self-defense measures after all else has failed, other than simply killing the terrorists, which is effective but depends on catching them all, which is highly unlikely.

I am saddened if there are, in fact, any innocent Palestinians whose lifestyle is being adversely affected by such measures. But, as a last resort, I would rather see Palestinians moved to live elsewhere than to see hundreds of dead and maimed Israelis as a result of Palestinian terrorism.

And what about the families of the Israeli victims of Palestinians massacres? Their lives are devastated forever, full of grief and financial hardship, with tragic results lasting for generations. Quite frankly, international sympathy should be focused on the Israeli families at least to the degree that attention is focused on the Palestinian terrorists' families.

Hopefully, the Palestinians may conclude that suicide bombers and other terrorist attacks on innocent Israelis, is not conducive to their goals. If Palestinian society ever progresses to a point where Jihad and other massacres are actually frowned upon, maybe Israel's self-defense measures will no longer be necessary and peace could finally be achieved.

[Micah]

The British bulldozed whole towns of the suicide bombers that suicide bombed them. Needless to say, they weren't suicide bombed much.

[NewsGuy]

btw - Israel's legal advisor has decreed that only the family members involved directly in the terrorist acts may be expelled.

Notice how Israel tries to comply with every legal and humanitarian rule, in a war in which the Arabs have only one rule of their own -- massacre as many Jews as possible.

[minusthejihad]

Does anyone have any information on what I keep hearing is a Soviet Union example of this? Except in that case, it was a hijacked plane, and the KGB went and found their family members and threatened to kill them unless the hostages were released. is there any bit of truth to this?

[Mediocrates]

We have the equivalent of this in the US today. For people living in public housing, if someone who lives there is convicted on a drug charge (or any other C Felony or higher I think) everyone who lives there is evicted. The thinking is that people will exert some influence and pressure on people who are prone to commit crimes.

We also take the cars of some people convicted of drunk driving violations and give them to the school districts to sell for money for their own use.

Is it right or wrong? You decide. But if there were organized bombings occuring here on that kind of regular basis you can be sure we would ennact something like evicting their families. I'm not sure we would demolish buildings but it's possible. It's certainly easy with wooden stick frame construction. Of course the neighbors would be pretty pissed off. I think the biggest objections would be property values and enviromental concerns.

[cerulean]

The US State Department is objecting to this plan. Objections are ok, but without providing a better plan, I'm not sure why the State Department is criticizing this move.

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Last update - 22:04 19/07/2002
U.S. slams plan to exile families of Palestinian militants

By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent, Ha'aretz Service and agencies
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...ubContrassID=0

[Gilgamesh]

The Europeans seem to like Arab terrorists so much, why not let them have some?

Europeans seem to adore racist arch-slaughterers of Jews.

[Vic]

NO!

[minusthejihad]

How about the moon? That would at least prove that we had actually bin there.

[Vic]

Now that's a peace proposal

[Gilgamesh]

Then, we could always say: " look, we gave the moon to these Arabs! " .

[Micah]

Allah = Moon God

This means they would be moving to Allahville...or something

[cerulean]

It's a tenet of faith in Islam (at least some important branches) that the moon was split in two during the creation process, as stated in a Hadith. http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=4195

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Saturday, July 20, 2002 Av 11, 5762 Israel Time: 09:34 (GMT+3)
Annan warns Israel against deportation, collective punishment

By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent, Ha'aretz Service and agencies
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...ubContrassID=0

It seems clear to me from this article that Israel only plans to deport those relatives who are directly involved in encouraging terrorism. Given this plan, the criticism from the State Department and the UN seems especially disproportionate.

[ibrodsky]

Normally, the idea of punishing relatives of criminals would be outrageous. However, in this case it is justified for two reasons:

1. Israel has suffered terrorist attack after terrorist attack. There is no way to catch all of the terrorists before they strike. Israel must look for some way to finally discourage these mass murderers. Knowing their families will be punished is one way.

2. Palestinian society teaches its children that terrorism is right, and we have many examples of family members praising terrorists after attacks. A society that collectively supports evil waives the right of protection against "collective punishment."

The West cannot win the war against terrorism if it is afraid to do what is needed to defeat Islamists. There is no atrocity these savages are not willing to commit in the name of Allah. While the State Dept. and UN condemn punishing family members what -- other than naive exhortations for "both sides" to return to "the peace process" -- have they offerred to stop these murderous attacks?

Just as some individual rights may have to be temporarily sacrificed during times of war, and terrorists tried by military tribunals, so too must Israel use temporary extraordinary means to protect its children and pregnant mothers.

IMO, to not destroy the homes of terrorists' families, if there is a chance this will finally discourage these mass murder attacks, is the greater sin.