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Your ignorance is impressive. A clear majority of UN member states voted in favor of the Partition that led to the creation of Israel. The Arab states were practically alone in opposing it. Both the U.S. and U.S.S.R. voted "yes."Originally posted by Manuel
How many times has the US stood up for Israel in the UN? If it hadn't been for open US support of the Israeli state after World War II Israel would NOT exist.
This is typical hawkish Israeli propaganda. The Israelis have benefited FAR more from the relationship with Israel than the US has. And then, to be slapped in the face with such comments...
When are rational, thinking, TRULY peace-loving (and I know there are LOTS of them out there) Israelis going to come to power. Oh, I'm sorry there was one in power but he was gunned down by some radical nutcase thereby killing the best chance the Middle East had for peace.
During the last two decades of the Cold War, Israel provided the U.S. a crucial service, field testing U.S. weapons against Soviet weapons. This, not charity, was the real reason for U.S. aid.
You also seem confused by more recent events. Israel offered the PA a peace settlement that included a Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem. The PA responded not with a counter-proposal, but by promptly violating everything they had agreed to over the past seven years.
You are obviously an angry person. But I think someone should point out to you that it is unfair to vent your personal frustration on Israel and the Jewish community.
Ah, the CLASSIC subterfuge. Anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy is labelled an Anti-Semite. Right on schedule. You guys should have Al Sharpton working for you.Originally posted by minusthejihad
...You are not objective, and more or less, a proven anti-semite.
Thats correct...if i was against black policy...i would be labeled a racist...if i was black against a white policy...i would be racist...sooo whats your pointOriginally posted by Manuel
Ah, the CLASSIC subterfuge. Anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy is labelled an Anti-Semite. Right on schedule. You guys should have Al Sharpton working for you.
Actually, you proved you are anti-semitic when you posted the "Jews killed Jesus" slur and by claiming that "the Jewish Lobby" manipulates U.S. policy.Originally posted by Manuel
Ah, the CLASSIC subterfuge. Anyone who disagrees with Israeli policy is labelled an Anti-Semite. Right on schedule. You guys should have Al Sharpton working for you.
That's not legitimate criticism of "Israeli policy" -- it's just bigotry.
Fireblazer,
Just calm down. Take it easy.
What comment got your attention...please explain...and i am sorry...but let me hear it first...lolOriginally posted by NewsGuy
Fireblazer,
Just calm down. Take it easy.
You can be against Israeli government policies and not be antisemetic. Having a political opinion on what is right and wrong, like whether or not the Jewish settlements should be destroyed or not. Then you have antisemetism when you say "bloodthirsty Zionist." There is a difference. Not like if I was against American policies I would be antiamerican (unless I hate ever policie that America has, then maybe it is obvious they hate Americans) I could be labeled anti-American.
Actually, I am an angry person. I'm angry that the situation in the Middle East has gotten to the point that it shows up within the borders of my country.Originally posted by ibrodsky
You are obviously an angry person. But I think someone should point out to you that it is unfair to vent your personal frustration on Israel and the Jewish community.
I'm angry that posts to this group have regularly contain slurs against Palestinians and Arabs and there is no outcry. A word of criticism of the Israeli government, however, garners a charge of Anti-Semitism.
Please direct me to the vast stores of knowlege that you are calling upon to refute my arguments.
Manuel thought Jews killed Jesus? HA hahahahhaha
What a profound idiot. I'd like to see your squinty little thoughtless eyes.
I agree with ya...thanks for saying that...Originally posted by Micah
You can be against Israeli government policies and not be antisemetic. Having a political opinion on what is right and wrong, like whether or not the Jewish settlements should be destroyed or not. Then you have antisemetism when you say "bloodthirsty Zionist." There is a difference. Not like if I was against American policies I would be antiamerican (unless I hate ever policie that America has, then maybe it is obvious they hate Americans) I could be labeled anti-American.
IF the certain people in here would say things against settlements...in a nice fashion...than its cool with me...but all those smart ass slurs...its not fair...and unacceptable
Because our slurs have right meanings and prove wrong actions from there life styles and action...like killing babies in thier sleep...Originally posted by Manuel
Actually, I am an angry person. I'm angry that the situation in the Middle East has gotten to the point that it shows up within the borders of my country.
I'm angry that posts to this group have regularly contain slurs against Palestinians and Arabs and there is no outcry. A word of criticism of the Israeli government, however, garners a charge of Anti-Semitism.
Please direct me to the vast stores of knowlege that you are calling upon to refute my arguments.
Try the library, Barnes & Noble, or Amazon.com.Originally posted by Manuel
Actually, I am an angry person. I'm angry that the situation in the Middle East has gotten to the point that it shows up within the borders of my country.
I'm angry that posts to this group have regularly contain slurs against Palestinians and Arabs and there is no outcry. A word of criticism of the Israeli government, however, garners a charge of Anti-Semitism.
Please direct me to the vast stores of knowlege that you are calling upon to refute my arguments.
As I just said, you are anti-semitic not because you criticize Israeli policy (there are plenty of people here who do that and have never been accused of being antisemitic), but because you repeated a classic antisemitic slur (that Jews killed Jesus -- never mind Jesus was a Jew) and claim the U.S. is manipulated by "the Jewish Lobby."
IBrodsky is right. Manuel is not anti-semetic. He is simply fingers typing to the beat of ignorance, compiling slurs and myths he has only heard in compilations. I would be surprised if Manuel (the name of our gay, Jewish gardner by the way), had an original thought in his entire brain. I sure would like to hear it, instead of what he regurgitates from other Jew Haters he's either grown up around or seen on TV.
Actually, it would be nice if others calmed down, as NewsGuy suggested. When you encournter someone who spreads lies, propaganda, and slander the best thing to do is patiently refute them or, if you can't keep calm, ignore them.
Let them keep their monopoly on bad taste, bigotry, and emotionalism.
I think it's clear Manuel does not want to engage us in civil discussion, and his slurs and insults are a violation of IsraelForum policy.
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