Let's read what innocent, "peace-loving" Jews write at http://www.jdl.org. There is plenty of hatred to go around.
How dare the US? Without US support there would be no Israeli state.
Home | Let's read what innocent, "peace-loving" Jews write at http://www.jdl.org. There is plenty of hatred to go around.
How dare the US? Without US support there would be no Israeli state.
And On and On It Goes, Where it stops, nobody knows.Originally posted by raven
I think we should be AGGRESSIVE. in talking about this...and not wait for them to start up again.
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Last edited by ibrodsky; 07-24-2002 at 10:16 AM.
As to the "CLAIM" of Jews to Israel. We have been taking action to PROVE that our claims are valid and the Pal Claims are totally untrue.
We have proved our claim by DNA studies and by proof in the "ground". Archelogy...is WAR in that area. And before Jew haters can get a hold of any site..we proved that we were there....
It has been intereesting that the Holocust deniers have set a Template for Jew Haters to TRY to say that Jews werent in Israel when they said they were. We were waiting for just such antisemities and are ahead of them with PROOF.
Too bad...you loose..Weve proved it before you didnt allow the proof to be gathered.
The Pals are now on their 3rd or 4th storyline..on how they qualify for ANY of that land. They dont. Any land that they are on is an OCCUPATION of ISRAEL. Simple as that. They need to go BACK to Jordan and Egypt and the Desert when their very DNA says that they are from.
Not only did we not kill YOUR Messiah.....The ROMANS and who identifies with THEM..killed OUR Brother.
Dont think that Jews in America dont know what is comming MANUEL...Nothin has changed...at all.
Aggressive...Id be MORE than aggressive. I talk about it way before you all even get started.
Do you live in Israel? Were you born in Israel? IF not, because your ancestors lived in the region (once known as Palestine I might add) you and your kind have a right to occupy it? That is wonderful logic, I'd better go and stake my claim to my Villa in Portugal
Originally posted by Manuel
Let's read what innocent, "peace-loving" Jews write at http://www.jdl.org. There is plenty of hatred to go around.
How dare the US? Without US support there would be no Israeli state.
All I see in that site is a bunch of people fighting anti-semitism.
lol...so much hatred!
As for the other statement -
How DARE the US give MY tax dollars to Egypt as well? We got unfinished buiness there TOO. Can you say REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY? HMMMMMM???? Sick of tired of this. AND Im NOT building any little modern Pal State...to play off Israel and Jews for the future. Not me...
This building of a Modern Pal State that will KEEP trying to destroy Israel is going to be--- withOUT my funding. There ARE no Palistinians. The name was given by the ROMANS 2K years ago to whipe out all memory of Jews and Israel. No Palistinians with proof of ANY residence in any significant numbers in ISRAEL...no Separate Palistinian Lanugage, No Separate Palistinian King, No Separate Palistinian Culture..And everybody KNOWS this.... I am NOT going to contribute to THAT venture. NO...NOT..NADA..NEVER...Get It????
Explain to me how my criticism of current Israeli policy and tactics is tantamount to my being an Anti-Semite? Why does Arab-hating not carry the same weight that Jew-hating does.
ALL Arabs are regularly protrayed in all media as monsters. How can this be? Were ALL Japanese monsters during World War II? Were ALL Germans monsters during the same period?
This is what I am talking about. Such inflamatory statements DO NOTHING to promote peace and stability in the world. Have any you that are making these grand claims as to the intentions of ALL Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims ever sat down in an honest DIALOG with one? Have any of you taken the time to truly understand Islamic philosophy?
As a Gay man it would be VERY easy for me to condemn and judge ALL Christians as being homophobic and wanting to exterminate Gay and Lesbian people. However, I know that there are many of the Christian faith who have a different interpretation of Holy Scripture, who do not believe the rhetoric of the DEMAGOGUES. These people have come to an intelligent and reasoned decision.
If both sides truly want peace in the region they are going to have to set aside their pride and make an attempt to understand, TRULY understand the pain and suffering of the other. Until then this centuries-old conflict will continue.
Palistine...is a phony name for ISRAEL...assigned by the ROMANS who illegally invaded the area. (Thats UNFINISHED business also) So it was nothing but a tactic to wipe out the NAME of Israel for all time... We should have put a stop to THAT long ago also. We shouldnt have allowed people to use the name PALISTINE...The name of that Country for Thousands of Years..is ISRAEL.
NO proof in the Ground..no proof in DNA...no proof cause there was NEVER a Palistinian People, never a Palistinian Culture, never a separate actual Palistianian State.,with a Palistinian Central Leader, in that area. It was simply another tactic to get ahold of Israel. Looked bad for the Billions of Islam to try to whipe out the real Minority, Israel...The World applauded as the Arab World constructed a separate mirror "minority" group. This was to get phony sympathy. Just a PR ploy.
The Arab World itself, before they glommed onto this tactic, also told the Pals that they were relative "newcommers" to the area...and that they were NOT entitiled to Egypt..(tried there first) or Jordan ( 4,000 Pals. dead at Jordans hands) or Lebanon...(Syria stopped the effort of the Pals THERE). Whats good for one...is good for the other. Cant take over Egypt...Cant take over Joran or Lebanon..Should'nt be able to OCCUPY Israel either.
The JDL does not blow up Palestinians at cafes, on busses, and in schools. Though they have a history of militancy, their Web site is relatively restrained and they have little influence in either the U.S. or Israel.Originally posted by Manuel
Let's read what innocent, "peace-loving" Jews write at http://www.jdl.org. There is plenty of hatred to go around.
How dare the US? Without US support there would be no Israeli state.
Your claim that "without U.S. support there would be no Israeli state" is disproved by the facts. Israel received no military aid from the U.S. until 1973. That "aid" was actually payment for services rendered: Israel's battles with Arab states provided a testing ground for U.S. tanks, warplanes, and so forth against the Soviet versions of the same.
Only U.S. pressure stopped Israel from finishing off Egypt and Syria...
Your claim to be merely "a concerned U.S. citizen" but you repeated in a subsequent post an ethnic slur against Jews that has been disavowed by the Vatican.
I suggest you read this forum's Rules of the Road.
Manuel: Doesnt matter to me a bit if you are Gay or NOT. Thats YOUR business. Not mine. Who cares? What I AM noticing is how the Gay Community is being VERY silent on this issue. Our community is the most vocal supporters in defending YOU and your community...And we pay a PRICE for it..and we KNOW IT. And we STILL support you.
Soo...lets just see what payback we get.
BILLION and HALF ISLAM...(not at ANY risk at all) vs. 15? Million Jews (just culled...by more than 1/3rd 60 years ago and AT RISK)
The Truth of the Matter...We are still DAVID..and THEY are still Goliath.
Read..."From Time Immemorial" Joan Peters. and learn something...that IS...if you are not predeterminied to have sympathy for the HUGE MAJORITY.
Once known as palestine....hahah your joking right...there was never a legal creation of that land...and to let ya know...it was called "The Land of Israel" 2000+years before any arab even tried to call it their land...oh and to refresh your memory..the land is disputed after 7 countries attacked israel less than 24 hrs it was created...we won and took over the land...thats what war is about...winners win the lands...after we beat the arabs they cried..."they took our land you see...oh my god"Originally posted by Manuel
Do you live in Israel? Were you born in Israel? IF not, because your ancestors lived in the region (once known as Palestine I might add) you and your kind have a right to occupy it? That is wonderful logic, I'd better go and stake my claim to my Villa in Portugal
Oh and about muslim religion...here are a few quotes from this popular peacefull people...lol
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
Now please go back to your cave and shut your pro terrorist mouth
When you repeat ethnic slurs, as you did in a post above, it shows you are anti-semitic.Originally posted by Manuel
Explain to me how my criticism of current Israeli policy and tactics is tantamount to my being an Anti-Semite? Why does Arab-hating not carry the same weight that Jew-hating does.
This is plainly false. There are many Arab members of the media. There are many prominent Arab Americans. Try making your points without resorting to unsubstantiated allegations.ALL Arabs are regularly protrayed in all media as monsters. How can this be? Were ALL Japanese monsters during World War II? Were ALL Germans monsters during the same period?
We have been trying to convince Israel's Arab neighbors to live in peace for 50+ years.This is what I am talking about. Such inflamatory statements DO NOTHING to promote peace and stability in the world. Have any you that are making these grand claims as to the intentions of ALL Arabs, Palestinians and Muslims ever sat down in an honest DIALOG with one? Have any of you taken the time to truly understand Islamic philosophy?
Many Jews, including myself, have studied Islam.
Now, when are you going to stop making sweeping generalizations about Jews and Israel?
It appears you have instead decided to take out your frustrations on Israel and Jews.As a Gay man it would be VERY easy for me to condemn and judge ALL Christians as being homophobic and wanting to exterminate Gay and Lesbian people. However, I know that there are many of the Christian faith who have a different interpretation of Holy Scripture, who do not believe the rhetoric of the DEMAGOGUES. These people have come to an intelligent and reasoned decision.
Some Arabs support terrorism. Some Arabs support Israel. Some Arabs want true peace. And other Arabs will not be satisified until Israel is destroyed.
It really isn't just an opinion that several Arab states and all Arab terrorist groups want to destroy Israel. They openly admit this. They have been attacking Israel almost non-stop for 50+ years. Yet you blame Israel.
Tell us, o concerned U.S. citizen, which side offered a comprehensive settlement? Israel proposed a Palestinian state with its capital in East Jerusalem. What did the Palestinians offer? Why did they respond to Israel's offer not with a counter-proposal, but by violating every agreement they had signed in the previous seven years?If both sides truly want peace in the region they are going to have to set aside their pride and make an attempt to understand, TRULY understand the pain and suffering of the other. Until then this centuries-old conflict will continue.
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to DEATH ; their blood shall be upon them."
Judaism and Christianity have been modernized. Neither religion, today, advocates putting homosexuals to death.Originally posted by Manuel
Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to DEATH ; their blood shall be upon them."
Now, if you bother to study Islam you will find that Islam, today, puts homosexuals to death.
I am not saying Islam is inherently evil. However, it is in desperate need of modernization. The treatment of women, gays, and atheists in Islamic states is totally reprehensible. They even institutionalize mistreatment of non-Muslims, and then argue they are doing non-Muslims a favor by relegating them to second class citizen status.
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