F-16 vs school kids?????

[medkorp]

Hi,

some of you compare the F 16 attack and the HAMAS terrorists and say, why the world say nothing when the hamas made an attack !

that's simple, the hamas is an terrorist organisation and the Israelian governement is a democracy.

So, the democracy don't have to act like a terrorist.


Thanks

Medkorp

[Morpheus]

Nice to know I'm being pathetic because I've got a different opinion. What America has gone through the past few months is peanuts compared to what some other countries have seen. If you are still too blind to see that ...


As med said, Hamas is not a democracy, so don't judge it that way. These latest actions taken by Israel are just immoral, that's all I wanted to say. Even Ari Fleisher agrees with that. "Not this way" he said.

[Tan]

Originally posted by medkorp
Hi,

some of you compare the F 16 attack and the HAMAS terrorists and say, why the world say nothing when the hamas made an attack !

that's simple, the hamas is an terrorist organisation and the Israelian governement is a democracy.

So, the democracy don't have to act like a terrorist.

Medkorp

So what u expect Israel to do? Fight terrorists with her hands and legs tight together?

This is a war against the terrorist like Hamas who only aim was to killed as many innocent Israeli civilian as possible and destroy Israel. Israel have every right to defend herself. Though it unfortunate that civilian are accidentally killed, I do not think Israel need to apologist for it.

The civilian have been made the human shield and PA did not do anything to the terrorist. Moreover this intifadal was initiated by Yasser Arafat.

[Tan]

Originally posted by Morpheus

As med said, Hamas is not a democracy, so don't judge it that way. These latest actions taken by Israel are just immoral

So to u, it is perfectly moral and acceptable for terrorist to killed civilain coz it their job.

Hamas has carried out more suicide attacks than any other palestinian faction in the 22 months of Israeli-Palestinian fighting.

Here is a list of their deadliest attacks:

June 1, 2001: At a seaside disco in Tel Aviv, 21 killed.

Aug. 9, 2001: At the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem, 15 killed.

Dec. 1, 2001: In a pedestrian mall in Jerusalem, 11 killed.

Dec. 2, 2001: On a bus in the coastal city of Haifa, 15 killed.

March 9, 2002: At the Moment cafe in Jerusalem, 11 killed.

March 27, 2002: At the Park Hotel in Netanya, 29 killed.

March 31, 2002: At a restaurant in Haifa, 15 killed.

May 7, 2002: At a pool hall in Rishon Letzion, south of Tel Aviv,
15 killed.

June 18, 2002: On a bus in Jerusalem, 19 killed.


Are all this crime acceptable to u?

[Moon]

Originally posted by Morpheus
I still stand by my point that this military actions are immoral, and no better than a suicide bomber.

The IDF uses a one-ton bomb and 14 people are killed. A Palestinian homicide bomber, obviously not carrying a one-ton bomb, manages to kill more or less the same amount of people.

The IDF wanted to make sure a Palestinian arch-terrorist would die from the attack. A Palestinian terrorist makes sure he kills as much Israeli civizilians as possible.

Surely the IDF, as any army, isn't perfect, but I find it amusing when I see people arguing that the IDF was either incompetent or evil in its action. These people are either ignorants, nuts or anti-semites. Pick one or more.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Morpheus
As med said, Hamas is not a democracy, so don't judge it that way.

So they just get a free pass to massacre Israeli children?

...Even Ari Fleisher agrees with that. "Not this way" he said.

What way do you think then that Israel should eliminate the terrorists involved in murdering Israelis? Are these Arab terrorists exempt from punishment if they happen to stay home?

[Meeklo]

Originally posted by Rafman
that is exactly whats wrong with what the EU is doing. They are sitting in Europe, criticizing absolutely everything Israel does (along with the UN), and when there is a terrorism act against Israelis they condemn it saying its wrong. Well saying something is wrong isnt going to stop it. Sitting at home on their fat arses criticizing others for everything they do isn't very constructive.

I think the EU should be concerned as to whats happening between the Isreali's and Palestine. After all it was England, the League of Nations (pre UnitedNations) and their "Balfour Declaration" farce that allowed the Jews to colonize Palestinian land in the first place. In the early 1900's the League of Nations was mandated to help the Palestine and the surrounding Arab teritores become independant states.

"THE ORIGINS AND EVOLUTION OF THE PALESTINE PROBLEM"
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/qpal/dpr/DPR_pp_1.htm

[elke]

Originally posted by Morpheus
Nice to know I'm being pathetic because I've got a different opinion. What America has gone through the past few months is peanuts compared to what some other countries have seen. If you are still too blind to see that ...


As med said, Hamas is not a democracy, so don't judge it that way. These latest actions taken by Israel are just immoral, that's all I wanted to say. Even Ari Fleisher agrees with that. "Not this way" he said.

You are pathetic not because you have a different opinion, but because you are morally handicapped.

[Meeklo]

Back on topic of F16 vs school kids...

Given the area of the complex would it have been possible to have a sniper take the guy out instead of having to use jets and missles?

[elke]

Sorry, Meeklo, it's just that that comment Morpheus made was so insensitive and callous...

I think EU should be concerned too, although they really should be more balanced while at it, IMO. They should monitor the funds donated to the PA with far more diligence than has been done up to date, and demand tangible progress in humanitarian and economic fields.

I am sorry, I haven't the slightest idea if a sniper could have taken out Shehada

[Kahz]

A sniper where?

Where would this sniper be positioned?

How close could Israeli snipers get to somewhere close enough to snipe him without being noticed/killed?

Does the head terrorist parade around in public?

Does he stand nicely in front of windows?

Hello?

[Meeklo]

Military Snipers know that patience is virtue, they will get their shot even if it takes days.

And as far as positioning and where's and when's, that for the snipers and military commanders to decide. Snipers are well trained to be invisible.

I'm sure the US has performed harder assassinations than this could have been. The point is there are alternative options to launching a missile into a apartment building.

[Tan]

Originally posted by Meeklo
Military Snipers know that patience is virtue, they will get their shot even if it takes days.

And as far as positioning and where's and when's, that for the snipers and military commanders to decide. Snipers are well trained to be invisible.

I'm sure the US has performed harder assassinations than this could have been. The point is there are alternative options to launching a missile into a apartment building.

Have u ever serve in the millitary? Millitary ops is a complex matter, not like those u saw on TV.

I personally do not know why sniper wasn't use, but there may be certain ops constraints that prevent this. So better dun jump to any conclusion.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by Morpheus

2. The Israeli gov't's new policy is to kill terrorists, and if civilians are killed during actions, so be it. Que sera, sera!

I?m fed up hearing about this latest attack by the IDF. Right now I?m feeling evil so I hope they make it a 2,000,000 kiloton bomb next time maybe tomorrow I?ll feel like adding a few more zeroes. The Palestinian leadership can stop this anytime.

Hey at least there won?t be any radiation. Recruit me and I?ll detonate the ****en thing and I?ll see 80% of the Palestinians in hell or purgatory as for the other?s ?why worry be happy? they?ll all transcend to the pearly gates where they?ll gain entry.

Why keep yapping about this little bit of collateral damage? There?s been far worse intentional incidents that haven?t received the same coverage.

[Croatguy]

Well, I think it is useless to discuss something with those false moralizers who dare to talk about morality and condemn anybody’s right on self-defense from comfort of her/his West European or USA home.

If you’ve seen terror only on TV screen, you shouldn’t talk about right or wrong in this case.

Not many countries have seen terror on this scale as Israel is seeing today.
I'm from Croatia, one of those countries which had that misfortune. We had 5 year long war, we had 20000 people killed during Serbian aggression (Croatia has 4,3 mil. people, that's like US (280 mil.) lost 1.4 million people), we had shelling (cities, and populated areas of course) on daily basis, we had cluster bombs, and FROG missiles over and into hart of our cities, including cluster rockets into downtown Zagreb (just one rocket killed 7 and wounded 200 people - 1 mil. people live in Zagreb).

Why am I writing all this?
I, as well as most people in this country felt very well what does terror mean. We've seen that form first person view, so I got pissed off when I've seen today that our smartass government condemned Israeli actions in Gaza strip...

So, I don't condemn Israeli actions, and since I haven't even voted for this government («ex» communists), I don't want them to speak in my name, so here I am.
Those dumb**** also forgot that Israel and Croatia had very good military cooperation (modernization of Croatian MiG-21 fighters, and joint production of Tavor rifle, but all that was canceled after this left winged government got into power).

By the way, did anyone noticed, that when US bombers kill entire wedding ceremony in Afganistan, then, that is “accident”, “collateral damage” or some other euphemism, and Israel hits legitimate target, but also hits (no matter the reason) some civilians, than we are talking about “state terrorism”?!?!

C’mon people remove those double-standard eyeglasses and start using your brains.

Disclaimer:
I’m Croatian, Roman-Catholic.
I’m not Jewish, nor I have any Jewish relative.