Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 33

Thread: Palestine an excuse it's about Islam vs Judaism!

  1. #1
    ygalg1
    Guest

    Palestine an excuse it's about Islam vs Judaism!

    • Our Struggle with the Jews is a Struggle for Existence, Not a Struggle for Land

      Source: Al-Asaalah Magazine, Issue 30 (pg. 5-6)
      Translator: abu maryam
      Produced by: al-manhaj.com

      The enemies of Islaam and the ignorant people that follow them are trying to portray the reality of the struggle against the Jews as a struggle for land and borders, and as a problem of refugees and water ports. And they make it seem as if it is possible to end this struggle with peaceful coexistence and by compensating the refugees, rectifying their condition of living, dispersing them throughout the land and establishing a weak petty secular state, which will live under the Zionist power and which will serve as a shield for the Zionist state (against their surrounding enemies).
      But all of these people don’t realize that our struggle with the Jews goes way back, ever since the first Islamic state was established in Madeenah with Muhammad (SAWS) the Messenger sent to all of mankind, as its leader. Allaah has related to us in the Qur'an, the reality of the Jews’ malice and hatred for the ummah of Islaam and Tawheed, as he says: “You will surely find that the people with the most enmity towards the believers are the Jews and the polytheists.”
      [Surah Al-Maa’idah: 82]


      So see how Allaah has placed the Jews before the polytheists in their hatred and enmity (towards the Muslims). Even though they are united in their disbelief, they differ (from others) in their (immense) hatred towards the ummah of Muhammad (SAWS), as Allaah says: “The Jews and the Christians will never be pleased with you until you follow their religion (way).” [Surah Al-Baqarah: 120]

      And ever since the first hour in which the Muslims let the beautiful fragrance of Islaam flow through it (Madeenah), the Jews were there showing enmity to the Muslims and their Prophet. So our Prophet, Muhammad (SAWS), was not safe from the harm of the Jews amongst their ranks. They tried to kill him three times. One time, they tried to kill him by putting a heavy rock on his head. Another time was when they placed poison in the forearm of a goat (for him to eat). And a third case was when the Jewish boy, Lubaid bin al-A’asam, may Allaah’s curse be on him, put a magic spell on him.

      And lo, there are the Americans, supplying the Jews with the most ferocious and harmful weapons of destruction, so that they can kill the Muslim children, women and elderly people of Palestine. And they preoccupied the world with their American elections for the purpose of drawing attention away from the Jewish massacre and butchering of the Muslim people of Palestine.

      And lo! There are the British, who supply the Jews with loud and explosive ammunition, which when used result in horrific deaths and everlasting handicapping for the youth of Palestine. So this ummah (nation of Palestinians) are open prey - whether young or old, infant or woman – in the hands of the Jews and their supporters.

      And lo! There are the supporters of the Jews, who preoccupy the ummah and draw their attention away from the casualties suffered by the Muslim people of Palestine. And they make the people blind to the crimes committed by the Jews by broadcasting the Olympics and other worthless programs, which only make the ummah numb and put it to sleep!

      Don’t the Muslims know that our struggle against the Jews is a struggle of Creed and a struggle of Religious livelihood? Don’t they realize that it is a struggle of culture, a struggle to remain in existence, a struggle of identification? Wasn’t it the Jews who set fire to Al-Masjid Al-Aqsaa? Weren’t they the ones who initiated archeological excavations under it, (ruining its foundation), so that afterward it can crumble on its own?? Weren’t they the ones who killed Muslims while they were prostrating in the month of Ramadaan in Masjid Al-Khaleel?!? Did they not cut open the stomachs of pregnant women, murder babies and set fire to the pastures and the farmlands!? Wasn’t it the Jews who transformed the masjids of Palestine into bars of alcohol and gambling?! Did they not turn them into compounds for animals and garbage dumps?!?

      Then after all of this, it is said: “Our struggle against the Jews is a struggle for land and a border dispute!!” And the desired solution is to establish a petty Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, so that the followers of the three monotheistic – or so they claim - faiths can live in it. Are these people ignorant of the fact that the only Religion acceptable in the sight of Allaah is Islaam? Or are they ignorant of the fact that Ibraheem is free and absolved from the polytheism and idolatry the Jews and Christians are upon. “Ibraaheem was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but rather he was Haneef (worshipping Allaah alone), a Muslim. And he was not from the polytheists.” [Surah Aali ‘Imraan: 67]

      Indeed, the only solution, which the Jews will understand, is Jihaad – done with its proper conditions – to raise high the Word of Allaah. The Jews do not want peace, rather they only want that this ummah surrender and submit itself to them, and that it bow and debase itself to them. And they want that it wipe out the word Jihaad from its vocabulary! They want them to become slaves, employees and laborers for them, having the right to beat them with their shoes and lash them with their whips whenever they feel like it!

      Our real struggle with the Jews will not end by setting up a withered state that doesn’t raise the banner of Islaam nor establishes the Laws of Allaah. How can it come to an end when the Muslim recites in his prayer seventeen times - day and night – “And do not make us from those who gained Your Anger nor from those who went astray.” [Surah Al-Faatihah: 7]

      Those who “gained Your Anger” are the Jews and those who “went astray” are the Christians, according to the unanimous agreement of the Tafseer scholars, and this is so until the Day of Judgement.

      So the decisive battle in which the Jews will come to an end will most assuredly come to pass – it is inevitable. It will be a battle of Faith and a battle of servitude to Allaah. The Prophet (sallAllaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “You will indeed fight against the Jews and you will kill them to the point where the rock and the tree will say: ‘O Muslim! O ‘Abdullaah (slave of Allaah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.’ Except for al-Gharqad for it is from the trees of the Jews.”

      This is a true promise from the one who doesn’t speak from his own desire (Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), which confirms the true nature of our struggle against the Jews, unlike what the misguided and misguiding media is portraying.

    http://www.allaahuakbar.net/jew/our_..._existence.htm

  2. #2
    Senior Member Yala's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    5,528
    Well according to Andak, Peace Now, Women in Black, Jimmy Carter it's only a few people, like 5 or 6, who believe such things.
    "It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders

  3. #3
    ygalg1
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Yala View Post
    Well according to Andak, Peace Now, Women in Black, Jimmy Carter it's only a few people, like 5 or 6, who believe such things.
    don't forget Islam abducted

  4. #4
    farmall
    Guest
    It is refreshing to hear from Islamists who are honest and clearly see that we are in a cultural struggle. I have no gripe (mortal opposition, but no snivelling) with people who say they are my enemy and that we should fight.

    The world would be a better place if more people thought and spoke this clearly.

    "Peace Now, Women in Black, Jimmy Carter" probably believe what they are saying out of PC reflex, but they are even more pernicious than honest Jihadists. They are propagandists in a war where everything is a weapon. The term for the Communophile variety was "useful fools".

  5. #5
    Shotgun Styles
    Guest
    I am ceaselessly facinated by how devoted people are to the notion of Anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world. Why? Because they endlessly ignore how viciously racist Israeli policies are.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2002
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA
    Posts
    5,219
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun Styles View Post
    I am ceaselessly facinated by how devoted people are to the notion of Anti-Israeli sentiment in the Arab world. Why? Because they endlessly ignore how viciously racist Israeli policies are.
    I am ceaselessly fascinated by how jew haters around the world have to hijack conversations on very real issues regarding Muslim hatered of Jews (and what is CURRENTLY being taught in mosques and schools around the world) with un-specific, broad, and most often ultimately false or baseless allegations to try to change the subject.

  7. #7
    Shotgun Styles
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by MGB8 View Post
    I am ceaselessly fascinated by how jew haters around the world have to hijack conversations on very real issues regarding Muslim hatered of Jews (and what is CURRENTLY being taught in mosques and schools around the world) with un-specific, broad, and most often ultimately false or baseless allegations to try to change the subject.
    WHOO HOO! My first "jew hater" drunken rant.

    Israel's policy of not recognizing marriages between Jewish and non Jewish citizens is patently racist. As is their long standing policy of only allowing Jews to immigrate. Simply stated, race based policies of this kind have no place in a 21st century world.

    You are that which you hate...
    Last edited by MGB8; 02-07-2007 at 07:33 AM.

  8. #8
    nbarzelay
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun Styles View Post
    WHOO HOO! My first "jew hater" drunken rant. Congratulations MGB, you've won a brand new CrackerJack box...

    Israel's policy of not recognizing marriages between Jewish and non Jewish citizens is patently racist. As is their long standing policy of only allowing Jews to immigrate. Simply stated, race based policies of this kind have no place in a 21st century world.

    You are that which you hate...
    Jews are not the only ones who are allowed to immigrate to Israel, that's pure rubbish. Just so happens that Israel refuses to open it's doors to Islamists. Also happens to be that the majority of those who want to immigrate to Israel are Jews.

    The policy of marriages needs to be reformed, but this doesn't mean that this policy is inherently 'racist' as you put it.

    Now we are debating once again that Judaism is a race? Buy a bloody dictionary.

  9. #9
    nbarzelay
    Guest
    Interesting article:

    The Muslim Brotherhood "Project"

    ...
    THE ELEVENTH POINT OF DEPARTURE

    To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.

    a-Elements:

    To provide an Islamic view on all areas, problems and solutions relative to the Palestinian question, based on the precepts of Islam.

    To prepare the community of believers for jihad for the liberation of Palestine. [One can lead the Ummah to realize the plans of the Islamic movement above all if victory is ours], if God wills it.

    To create a modest nucleus of jihad in Palestine, and to nourish it in order to maintain the flame that will light the road toward the liberation of Palestine, and in order that the Palestinian cause will endure until the moment of liberation.

    b-Procedures:

    To collect sufficient funds for the perpetuation of jihad.

    To conduct a study of the situation of Muslims and the enemy in occupied Palestine.

    c-Suggested Missions:

    To conduct studies on the Jews, enemies of Muslims, and on the oppression inflicted by these enemies on our brothers in occupied Palestine, in addition to preaching and publications.

    To fight against the sentiment of capitulation among the Ummah, to refuse defeatist solutions, and to show that conciliation with the Jews will undermine our Movement and its history.

    To conduct comparative studies on the Crusades and Israel, and [the victory that will be that of Islam].

    To create jihadi cells in Palestine, and support them in order that they cover all of occupied Palestine.

    To create a link between the moujahadin in Palestine and those throughout the Islamic world.

    To nourish a sentiment of rancor with respect to the Jews and refuse all coexistence.
    A plan that has been in the making, and in practice, for centuries already, but being organized more and more with every passing moment.

    Right from the horse's mouth.

  10. #10
    Shotgun Styles
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by nbarzelay View Post
    Jews are not the only ones who are allowed to immigrate to Israel, that's pure rubbish. Just so happens that Israel refuses to open it's doors to Islamists. Also happens to be that the majority of those who want to immigrate to Israel are Jews.

    The policy of marriages needs to be reformed, but this doesn't mean that this policy is inherently 'racist' as you put it.

    Now we are debating once again that Judaism is a race? Buy a bloody dictionary.
    We're not dealing with dictionary definitions. Judaism is claimed as a bloodline. Elsewhere on this board a discussion of people being Jewish based on maternal ancestry is currently being held. Race, ethnicity, culture, heritage, or religion, however you choose to define Judaism it is treated in the same manner as race.

    More to the point, Israel's policies are based on the premise of race. So if you'd like to call it something else, be my guest. A "Jewish state" is no less racist than an "Aryan state".

  11. #11
    KettleWhistle
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun Styles View Post
    We're not dealing with dictionary definitions. Judaism is claimed as a bloodline. Elsewhere on this board a discussion of people being Jewish based on maternal ancestry is currently being held. Race, ethnicity, culture, heritage, or religion, however you choose to define Judaism it is treated in the same manner as race.

    More to the point, Israel's policies are based on the premise of race. So if you'd like to call it something else, be my guest. A "Jewish state" is no less racist than an "Aryan state".
    Hey, look everybody, we've got another anti-Semite telling us we shouldn't be aforded same basic rights as any other nation!

  12. #12
    Shotgun Styles
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by KettleWhistle View Post
    Hey, look everybody, we've got another anti-Semite telling us we shouldn't be aforded same basic rights as any other nation!
    Show me a western nation with Israel's harsh racialist policies...

    America? Abolished Jim Crow 40 years ago.

    England? Yeah right, they're becoming an Islamic state.

    South Africa? Even they saw the light, and that's been 10 years ago now.

    Germany? Had their asses handed to them. Twice. Finally learned their lesson.

  13. #13
    KettleWhistle
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun Styles View Post
    Show me a western nation with Israel's harsh racialist policies...
    Israel doesn't have any "racialist policies". As for things that are our internal business, that's none of yours. Nobodyt is inviting you to move here.

  14. #14
    Shotgun Styles
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by KettleWhistle View Post
    Israel doesn't have any "racialist policies". As for things that are our internal business, that's none of yours. Nobodyt is inviting you to move here.
    Oh it's my business. As long as my hard earned tax dollars are subsidizing genocide, mass murder and forced migration, it's my business.

    Don't like it, get off the American tit. Then it's your business...

  15. #15
    KettleWhistle
    Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Shotgun Styles View Post
    Oh it's my business. As long as my hard earned tax dollars are subsidizing genocide, mass murder and forced migration, it's my business.

    Don't like it, get off the American tit. Then it's your business...
    hahaha. You can put your anti-Semitic ideas on a piece of paper and send them to your Congressman. Israel is a sovereign nation, and has all the rights that go with that. Including the right to defend its citizens against genocide and mass murder, develop its immigration and cultural policy, etc. And it will continue to execute these inalienable rights.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Islam & Democracy
    By Isiah 2:4 in forum Religion/Culture
    Replies: 106
    Last Post: 01-02-2007, 09:50 AM
  2. Syrian-American: Islam needs transformation
    By sharonbn in forum Religion/Culture
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 10-06-2006, 10:56 AM
  3. Normalizing Islam in America
    By L@mplighterM in forum Religion/Culture
    Replies: 146
    Last Post: 07-24-2006, 04:11 AM
  4. jerusalem in islam
    By victot in forum Israeli-Arab Conflict
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: 04-19-2006, 03:19 PM
  5. The Trouble with Islam
    By ibrodsky in forum Religion/Culture
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 09-19-2003, 07:07 AM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •