I don't get why others don't get it....

[CanDo]

How many of them want to kill and what is their capacity to do so?

All one has to do is look at the numerous world-wide acts of barbaric Muslim violence against civilians to get a general idea of how many Muslims want to kill. OTOH, peace overtures coming out of the Muslim world are non-existent.

About capacity? There are hundreds of millions of dollars being funded to terrorist groups either through Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, or other parts of the Middle East.

If someone in a refugee camp 10,000 miles away from me wants to kill me and doesn't have the money to catch a flight or even the ability to move to the next town, I'm not terribly worried about it.

What about the countless thousands of Muslims, either in or out of refugee camps, that either are given the money to attempt attacks against the civilized world, or who are currently living throughout the civilized world, waiting for the chance to bring their kind of crazed barbarism to a theater near you?

My Imam doesn't say that and neither does any that I've heard outside the MEMRI website.

But...... what does your Imam say to his close confidents when he is not subject to scrutiny?

Atheists look for the whole world to be secular.

Nonsense! I would never impose my wisdom on others. I could care less what kind of make-believe fantasy others may have as long as it doesn't negatively effect my life.

[andak01]

All one has to do is look at the numerous world-wide acts of barbaric Muslim violence against civilians to get a general idea of how many Muslims want to kill.

From what I'm told, the number is something like 7500 acts of terrorism. So, doing the math, if 100 unique Muslims are involved in every single one of these acts and not one of them dies or gets arrested, that would make 750,000. If it took 1000 unique Muslims to plan every car bombing, every beating, that would make 7 and a half million. Of 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, that's less than 1%. Do you imagine that 1000 unique Muslims plan each suicide bombing, that none is ever arrested or killed?

OTOH, peace overtures coming out of the Muslim world are non-existent.

Of course whenever such a thing does happen it is either ignored or questioned.

About capacity? There are hundreds of millions of dollars being funded to terrorist groups either through Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran, or other parts of the Middle East.

Given what they are doing, does it really require that much? The Iraqis were allowed to steal enough weapons to keep the insurgiency alive for years without funding.

What about the countless thousands of Muslims, either in or out of refugee camps, that either are given the money to attempt attacks against the civilized world, or who are currently living throughout the civilized world, waiting for the chance to bring their kind of crazed barbarism to a theater near you?

That's what we have Interpol, the FBI, Homeland Security and the CIA for among other organizations.

But...... what does your Imam say to his close confidents when he is not subject to scrutiny?

Of course, we all know what Muslims do when people aren't looking! They grind up babies to make matz...er...pita bread! You can't trust any of us.

Nonsense! I would never impose my wisdom on others. I could care less what kind of make-believe fantasy others may have as long as it doesn't negatively effect my life.

I'll make sure we invite you over for some dinner next Ramadan. Then you can see what life is like outside of Fox news.

[Mediocrates]

No one is ever going to know what I say to close relations in the privacy of my own home or similar place. Anyone who has a problem with that, tough darts on you.

[FOGOMAINS]

No one is ever going to know what I say to close relations in the privacy of my own home or similar place. .....

Are you sure that all agencies agree ? Especially US-agencies ignore existing laws worldwide


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[Mediocrates]

The point is, whatever people say to each other sitting around the house is of no importance here.

[CanDo]

From what I'm told, the number is something like 7500 acts of terrorism.

Thanks for the statistics about intentional acts of Muslim violence, targeting civilians. Wow! It's much worse than I thought!

So, doing the math, if 100 unique Muslims are involved in every single one of these acts and not one of them dies or gets arrested, that would make 750,000. If it took 1000 unique Muslims to plan every car bombing, every beating, that would make 7 and a half million. Of 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, that's less than 1%. Do you imagine that 1000 unique Muslims plan each suicide bombing, that none is ever arrested or killed?

So, doing the math, if you examine deliberate, violent acts of Judeo-Christian terror, targeting civilians, you get very few, if any.

Schools and mosques, throughout the Muslim world, are teaching the next generation of children to hate, kill and maim others, and teaching that violent Jihad against others is a wonderful Islamic activity. That means that the 7500 cases of violent Muslim attacks against peaceful families will certainly continue to increase and spiral out of control.

Statistics are cute, aren't they? The mangled bodies of many men, women and children, who are victims of Muslim terrorism, are not a cute thing, are they?

Do you have any more statistics? Perhaps you can quote a statistic that will replace the legs and arms of children who were victims of Muslim terrorism as a direct result of the Muslim world insisting on teaching generations of Muslim children to hate, maim and kill others.

[Mediocrates]

Many countries, Israel included use a blended rate that agglomorates a certain number of criminal acts which 'might' be terrorism in nature.

[CanDo]

Many countries, Israel included use a blended rate that agglomorates a certain number of criminal acts which 'might' be terrorism in nature.

The use of a word like "agglomerates" can certainly be considered an act of verbal terrorism.

OTOH, there are probably acts of terrorism and violent racism that are agglomerated as "criminal" acts.

Regardless of the bean counting, the civilized world doesn't expect members of the boy scouts, or the girl scouts, to have bombs belts strapped around their waists by their parents, or others, but the entire civilized world expects that the next innocent looking Muslim child, walking up to a bus stop, might be the last thing one sees before one dies.

And yet, not one demand by the civilized world for the Muslim world to stop teaching hatred and jihad in Muslim schools and mosques!?

[Mediocrates]

It's just a statement about the number of events reported. It's like when we call something a 'hate crime'.

[andak01]

Thanks for the statistics about intentional acts of Muslim violence, targeting civilians. Wow! It's much worse than I thought!

For what it's worse, that comes from an Israeli based terror database. That estimate is on the high side and probably includes everything from a bomb killing civilians to a swastika on someone's teashirt. But I have no problem using it, because even with that figure you can't come up with 1% of Muslims as terrorists.

People are going around saying that 70% of us are terrorists. That would mean that 1000 unique Muslims were involved in every single attack and > 1000 attacks were planned for every one that was discovered. Does that seem possible? Does it take 1000 people to plant a bomb by the side of the road, to train a bomber? If even much more than 10 people were involved per attack, wouldn't that geometrically increase the chance of such a plot being discovered? Has even a single plot been uncovered that involved as many as 100 people? Are either security forces or terrorists so incompetent that they could plan 1000 plots without being discovered or without having one go into effect?

The very secrecy required of such operations means that < 20 people are generally involved. And these 20 tend to plan more than one attack and tend to either get killed, caught or go on to attack again. Same 20 people might be involved with 5 or 6 attacks.

So, doing the math, if you examine deliberate, violent acts of Judeo-Christian terror, targeting civilians, you get very few, if any.

For one thing, with Arabs, we define every act of military aggression as terrorism. A civil war in Iraq is terrorism. Attacking an invading army is terrorism. Insurgiency is terrorism. Shiite ethnic cleansing is terrorism. Sunni retribution to Shiite ethnic cleansing is terrorism. Attempting to create a military coup is terrorism.

Conversely, bombing a village from a plane is not terrorism. Death squads roaming houses in Liberia is not terrorism. Rwandan ethnic cleansing is not terrorism. The Lords Resistance Army killing tens of thousands in Uganda and Sudan is not terrorism. Zimbabwe death squads is not terrorism. Security forces firing into crowds in Pakistan and Afghanistan is not terrorism, etc.

[Mediocrates]

Regardless of the bean counting, the civilized world doesn't expect members of the boy scouts, or the girl scouts, to have bombs belts strapped around their waists

Well we should expect it. Child soldiers are a world wide problem. In Africa you'll see kids as young as 10 or 11 with an AKM or small rifle. Certainly there are kids here in the US who are fully capable of operating a squirrel gun or larger at about age 8 or 9. Well multiply that by a million, take away parents, the law, add war, poverty, ganja, rape, death threats and the bush.

[CanDo]

People are going around saying that 70% of us are terrorists.

70% sounds a little low to me.

Though, on this issue, I will admit that I am a little biased. I really feel that it might be 80% or more of Muslims worldwide that are either Muslim terrorists, supporters of Muslim terrorists, or sympathetic to Muslim terrorists.

That would mean that 1000 unique Muslims were involved ...and > 1000 attacks were planned for every ... 1000 people to plant a bomb ... much more than 10 people were involved per attack, wouldn't that geometrically increase the chance ... as many as 100 people ... could plan 1000 plots without being discovered ... ?

7500 Muslim terrorist attacks, against the civilized families of this world, is a horrible "fact"! Horrifying! What could cause a culture to create such aberrant behavior from so many of it's people? Could it be that Muslim mosques and schools keep preaching and teaching Jihad, racism, religious intolerance, hatred and violence? In Egypt? In Saudi? In Gaza? In Lebanon? In West Bank, etc.?

For one thing, with Arabs, we define every act of military aggression as terrorism. A civil war in Iraq is terrorism. Attacking an invading army is terrorism. ...

What a great way to sugarcoat the deliberate, savage, inhuman targeting of innocent civilians! It takes a lot of immagination to come up with a way to make the deliberate blowing off of children's arms and legs, politically acceptable! By equating racist, deranged terrorist attacks, exactly the same as acting in self defense, well...... blowing children up on the way to school doesn't seem so bad, does it?

[CanDo]

Well we should expect it.

You really expect boy scouts and girl scouts, within civilized communities, to have bomb belts strapped around their waists? What kind of bad experience did you have with the scouts that would make you feel this way? Oh...... I know what it was. You must have gotten some stale girl scout cookies. Was it the Samoas?

Child soldiers are a world wide problem.

Absolutely WRONG! Child soldiers are a problem in the uncivilized or barbaric areas of the world. Child soldiers are not a problem in the civilized world.

In Africa you'll see kids as young as 10 or 11 with an AKM or small rifle.

My point exactly. Are you equating the Boy and Girl Scouts of America with the violent AKM toting children of Africa, who have had their minds poisoned by barbaric cultures?

Do you feel that AKMs are standard issue to the Girl Scouts of America?

Certainly there are kids here in the US who are fully capable of operating a squirrel gun or larger at about age 8 or 9.

Yes, of course this is true. But in a civilized culture, kids minds are not poisoned by racism, religious and cultural intolerance, and Jihad. There is no doubt that there are violent children in America. But, I doubt if we'll ever see the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts ever fighting along side the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Well multiply that by a million, take away parents, the law, add war, poverty, ganja, rape, death threats and the bush.

Yes, yes, yes of course, take away the civilized nature of the civilized countries and you get uncivilized behavior.

This world has always been split into two major conflicting cultures, that of the civilized and that of the barbaric. We must not blur the lines between the civilized and the barbaric. To think that a civilized, peaceful, moral group, like the Boy or Girl Scouts of America would reasonably be expected to pick up AKMs and storm the nearest McDonalds is nonsense.

[ChicagoBlues]

For what it's worse, that comes from an Israeli based terror database. That estimate is on the high side and probably includes everything from a bomb killing civilians to a swastika on someone's teashirt. But I have no problem using it, because even with that figure you can't come up with 1% of Muslims as terrorists.

People are going around saying that 70% of us are terrorists. That would mean that 1000 unique Muslims were involved in every single attack and > 1000 attacks were planned for every one that was discovered. Does that seem possible? Does it take 1000 people to plant a bomb by the side of the road, to train a bomber? If even much more than 10 people were involved per attack, wouldn't that geometrically increase the chance of such a plot being discovered? Has even a single plot been uncovered that involved as many as 100 people? Are either security forces or terrorists so incompetent that they could plan 1000 plots without being discovered or without having one go into effect?

The very secrecy required of such operations means that < 20 people are generally involved. And these 20 tend to plan more than one attack and tend to either get killed, caught or go on to attack again. Same 20 people might be involved with 5 or 6 attacks.



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Blah, blah, blah. 1% or less, huh? You conviniently missed the point, again. Statistics? OK, how about this - not all 100% of Muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorists are Muslims? And who cares if they are 1,2 or 10% of all Muslims? Well, maybe you do, but not the victims of your 'statistics'. And Muslim children ARE being tought to hate and kill. Right, statistically speaking, not all of them, which is very comforting.

[Mediocrates]

I don't see madrases school children in Chicago or Toronto, Copenhagen or Barcelona, Hong Kong, Munich, San Diego, Rio de Janeiro, Quito or Bucharest blowing themselves up either. And if anywhere you'd expect to see it raining men, is Cairo yet it's pretty quiet from a terrorism view. Of course they disappear thousands there every year, so there's that. I guess it's a mixture of a lot of different things - radical politics, radical religion, lack of accountability, inculcation, a climate of violence, hatred, a certain amount of poverty and ignorance, culture of support of that kind of thing and so on. You need all those components, whatever they are, and I don't know what they are, to arrive at the point where teenagers become mass murderers. Personally, I don't really care how old a mass murderer is. I'm old enough to understand that in most of the world, people as young as 12 or 13 really are for all useful purposes, cut free as 'adults' anyway.