Silence of the Hypocrites

[NewsGuy]

If you would like to understand a very important aspect of the Mideast conflict, listen carefully right now. What? You aren’t hearing anything? That’s right. The point is that nothing was said today by the usual Palestinian apologists, even though 2 Israelis were murdered in cold blood by Palestinian terrorists and 7 Israelis were wounded by a Palestinian suicide bomber in a shopping district of Israel’s capital.

You’re not imagining things. It’s true that the Palestinian apologists nearly jumped out of their skin to yell about Palestinian civilians harmed inadvertently during a recent Israeli counter-terrorism operation. They shouted their supposed concern for innocent victims. They used terms like "attrocities," "war crimes," etc., and told the world of their shock and anger at the loss of innocent lives. In fact, this forum was littered with such disingenuous slogans after the elimination of Hamas terrorism leader, Salah Shehada.

But the smoke and mirror world of the Palestinian-apologists quickly falls apart at the seams, as soon as their duplicity is exposed. Even as they complained about the unintended victims of the war against terrorism, there was silence about the Israeli victims of Shehada’s terror organization. The deliberate murder of Israeli children, to them, was not shocking, not outrageous in any way. Only the battle against Arab terrorism is of grave concern to those Palestinian supporters.

And today, yet another Palestinian suicide bomber attempted to massacre innocent Jewish children, by setting off a bomb in downtown Jerusalem, on a street crowded with women, children and other citizens. As if to serve as a clear reminder of why Israel needed to stop Shehada, more blood flowed in the streets of Israel from the victims of the latest Palestinian terror attack.

Yet, not a word was uttered by the Palestinian apologists. No outrage was expressed. No shock. No shouting about human rights and war crimes.

Welcome to the silence of the hypocrites.

[NewsGuy]

According to news reports, the Palestinian murderers involved in today's attack are residents of an Arab-squatter town called something like "Jemei'in" in which there was no curfew imposed by Israel. As a result, 2 dead Israelis. That's freedom, Palestinian style -- the freedom not to be under curfew which leads to the freedom to murder Jews.

[Vic]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
You’re not imagining things. It’s true that the Palestinian apologists nearly jumped out of their skin to yell about Palestinian civilians harmed inadvertently during a recent Israeli counter-terrorism operation. They shouted their supposed concern for innocent victims. They used terms like "attrocities," "war crimes," etc., and told the world of their shock and anger at the loss of innocent lives. In fact, this forum was littered with such disingenuous slogans after the elimination of Hamas terrorism leader, Salah Shehada.

This forum, yes. But then, it attracts a specific kind of pro-Palestinian posters, often of the particularly vicious variety - as can be expected.

What I noticed was that the mainstream media stayed relatively cool about the strike against Shehada, as did the general public: no screaming, no demonstrations, no attacks on synagogues. The reactions seemed more or less perfunctory. I find it hard to tell whether it is merely due to summer vacations, or, as I have predicted (or intended to) several months ago, the anti-Israel hysteria has reached its saturation point and is dying down: the Average Joe (Jacques, Fritz...) simply wants to change the subject.

Anyway, for the people you call "Palestinian apologists" it is pretty much the same crime whether an Israeli steps on the foot of a Palestinian and doesn't apologize or whether the IAF drops bombs on Gaza, isn't it? Israel could carpet-bomb the place, for all they care, the screaming will remain on the same level, simply b/c they cannot take it further. The human language doesn't allow for it. There is little rationality to all of this.

[minusthejihad]

So question is: Was the strike against Sal just a trial run? And how about those trial raids over Lebanon that the Hizbullah use as excuses to shoot Mortars into Israel. I have a hard time believing that Israel isn't thinking strongly about Lebanon again, especially with Hizbullah's growth and eagerness to defy the UN sanctioned border.

Has anyone in here read "From Beirut to Jerusalem" by a former Jewish Post or Times writer with a very predictable name? It escapes me right now. Something Stein or Weiner for sure, he he. Just would like to know your opinions.

[elke]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
So question is: Was the strike against Sal just a trial run? And how about those trial raids over Lebanon that the Hizbullah use as excuses to shoot Mortars into Israel. I have a hard time believing that Israel isn't thinking strongly about Lebanon again, especially with Hizbullah's growth and eagerness to defy the UN sanctioned border.

Has anyone in here read "From Beirut to Jerusalem" by a former Jewish Post or Times writer with a very predictable name? It escapes me right now. Something Stein or Weiner for sure, he he. Just would like to know your opinions.

Thomas (I think) Friedman. I have been looking for this book in its used form for a while (I can be dangerous with a credit card in a bookstore , so a nice compromise is the used books).

[ruby]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
If you would like to understand a very important aspect of the Mideast conflict, listen carefully right now. What? You aren’t hearing anything? That’s right. The point is that nothing was said today by the usual Palestinian apologists, even though 2 Israelis were murdered in cold blood by Palestinian terrorists and 7 Israelis were wounded by a Palestinian suicide bomber in a shopping district of Israel’s capital....

....And today, yet another Palestinian suicide bomber attempted to massacre innocent Jewish children, by setting off a bomb in downtown Jerusalem, on a street crowded with women, children and other citizens. As if to serve as a clear reminder of why Israel needed to stop Shehada, more blood flowed in the streets of Israel from the victims of the latest Palestinian terror attack.

Yet, not a word was uttered by the Palestinian apologists. No outrage was expressed. No shock. No shouting about human rights and war crimes.

Welcome to the silence of the hypocrites.

it cuts both ways.

the only place i heard about the "pogrom" in hebron was in ha'aretz.
arabs were attacked, a 14 yr old girl was shot in the head by a revengful mob.
the way the israeli (ret military) official described it, it sounded pretty frightening even for him ---& the military, whom the mob attacked also .

i didn't see it on the US news.


also, didn't see it brought up as a topic anywhere here, maybe i am remiss (i cant get around this board fast enough, sad to say).

don't remember seeing debate about the gaza bombing either--i MUST have missed the topic(s) on that, tho, b/c it was such a big story in the US media, i can't imagine it wasn't discussed here .

[ruby]

Originally posted by Vic
This forum, yes. But then, it attracts a specific kind of pro-Palestinian posters, often of the particularly vicious variety - as can be expected.

What I noticed was that the mainstream media stayed relatively cool about the strike against Shehada, as did the general public: no screaming, no demonstrations, no attacks on synagogues. The reactions seemed more or less perfunctory. I find it hard to tell whether it is merely due to summer vacations, or, as I have predicted (or intended to) several months ago, the anti-Israel hysteria has reached its saturation point and is dying down: the Average Joe (Jacques, Fritz...) simply wants to change the subject.
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i really don't understand why there is a rush to brand everyone an apologist--from whatever 'side'...

for the record, i am not on this forum to further a cause or apologize for anyone/anything. i am here to hear divergent views and to get as much clarity on the situation(s) as possible.

there are things that i do not understand or that i am critical of.

because this is "Israel forum" & not palestinian, i am going to question the things that i am confused or alarmed about pertaining to what israel does/justifies.

why is that unacceptable?


as for the cool reaction of the media in the US...americans are so easily bored.
and isolationist in thinking, still.
i hear most common folk say: "let them duke it out themselves." "let them kill themselves & let's keep out of it". & "they act like children. they'll never get along & i'm sick of it."


*click* there goes the channel changer.


(i did notice the dissapproval coming thru on the news programs, tho. but i would be remiss if i did not add that there was always the israeli explanation that they were sorry they made a mistake but that they'd tried abt 4-8 (different numbers quoted) times before to get this really, really bad man.)

not very deep analysis from the amer. public, but i expected protest from the excitable europeans. haven't seen any.
is it because even they are sickened abt suicide bombings & can justify this mssion?


Anyway, for the people you call "Palestinian apologists" it is pretty much the same crime whether an Israeli steps on the foot of a Palestinian and doesn't apologize or whether the IAF drops bombs on Gaza, isn't it? Israel could carpet-bomb the place, for all they care, the screaming will remain on the same level, simply b/c they cannot take it further. The human language doesn't allow for it. There is little rationality to all of this


i don't think it's fair to broadbrush people who are critical of israel.

[Vic]

Originally posted by ruby
i really don't understand why there is a rush to brand everyone an apologist--from whatever 'side'...

for the record, i am not on this forum to further a cause or apologize for anyone/anything. i am here to hear divergent views and to get as much clarity on the situation(s) as possible.

there are things that i do not understand or that i am critical of.

because this is "Israel forum" & not palestinian, i am going to question the things that i am confused or alarmed about pertaining to what israel does/justifies.

why is that unacceptable?

Did I say so or name you???

as for the cool reaction of the media in the US...americans are so easily bored.
and isolationist in thinking, still.
i hear most common folk say: "let them duke it out themselves." "let them kill themselves & let's keep out of it". & "they act like children. they'll never get along & i'm sick of it."


*click* there goes the channel changer.


(i did notice the dissapproval coming thru on the news programs, tho. but i would be remiss if i did not add that there was always the israeli explanation that they were sorry they made a mistake but that they'd tried abt 4-8 (different numbers quoted) times before to get this really, really bad man.)

not very deep analysis from the amer. public, but i expected protest from the excitable europeans. haven't seen any.

That's the point.

is it because even they are sickened abt suicide bombings & can justify this mssion?

I don't believe they think that deeply. Just boredom/exhaustion + vacation time.

Anyway, for the people you call "Palestinian apologists" it is pretty much the same crime whether an Israeli steps on the foot of a Palestinian and doesn't apologize or whether the IAF drops bombs on Gaza, isn't it? Israel could carpet-bomb the place, for all they care, the screaming will remain on the same level, simply b/c they cannot take it further. The human language doesn't allow for it. There is little rationality to all of this


i don't think it's fair to broadbrush people who are critical of israel. [/B]

Calm down and read. Where do you see "all people who are critical of Israel"? I have described a certain mindset, in case you have noticed it.

[Mediocrates]

http://www.techcentralstation.com/10...D=1051-072902A


This is an actual lay-study of the demographics of casualties on both sides. What's important is that it focuses on several topics that are particularly important to some people here like delays at checkpoints, Pal on Pal violence, combatant vs. non combatant. I especially like the implication of a social distortion in Pal society that leads to some of this violent behavior. You could look at it somewhat like gang violence in the States. At least insofar as the actual numbers lead you to a conclusion. I'm sure some of you will throw rocks at this but at least read it first.

[MGB8]

Ruby does have a point about the Hebron incident, but I think that many of the worlds papers are now waiting for investigation and for the facts to become known.

Ha'aretz is a blatantly liberal magazine, and jumps at publishing this kind of stuff. Its built up by liberals around the world as a much more prestigious magazine than it really is.

If the events unfolded the way the Ha'aretz article reports, however, them several Israeli settlers need to be placed in jail. As understandable as rioting in the face of constant attack and terrorism, they do not have the right to indiscriminately attack people. (and I mean REAL terrorism, with weapons, not the "made to wait in line because they want to check bags and papers so no terrorists get through" kind.)

BUT, I would wait a bit and see how the facts develop.

If this version is true other ISRAELIS will coroborate it.

[Simon]

It really should not surprise anyone, this silence of the hypocrites or the apologists.

I have often wondered the same in the context of my country. This silence will continue because of the tremendous influence that Middle Eastern Oil plays in global geopolitics today. As the influence of this oil cartel decreases and alternative sources of fuel become available, there will be no need to appease the Arab/Muslim states.

This may take a while, but there is a saying: Nations dont have permanent friends.

When the oil runs out, so will the need to maintain this shameful silence.

[droberts1958]

Newsguy

Let me make it clear the loss of Israeli lives in this conflict is a terrible terrible thing. I would bet all the people you decry as "Palestinian apologists" would agree with me.

[rhodescholar]

Originally posted by droberts1958
Newsguy

This is a patheticaly weak argument. You have no evidence so you create it out of nothing itself.

What policies are those, exactly? What arab apologists like yourself conveniently forget in your MTV-long attention spans is that Sharon was elected AFTER the Sept 2000 uprising/full-bore terrorist assault began.

Continuously blaming and crying "its Sharon's policies thats the problem here" is a pathetically weak, unsophisticated and false argument. If the riots started BEFORE he was elected, HOW is it his fault? UUUUUHHHHHhhhhhhhhhh.........

[MGB8]

Droberts,

If you could get off of yourself for a minute, he was speaking not of insignificant people like yourself, but of bigger names like Amnesty International, Saeb Irakat, Hosni Mubarak, Kofi Annan., etc....

BTW, Kofi Annan FINALLY said something after the Univ. Bombing,


As for aksing for hard evidence, that't the newest weak tactic that you an your brethren Trainspotter have gone too, but considering that you NEVER provide hard evidence for your opinions, and that EVIDENCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED (OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN) by Israeli-supporters, its a pathetic argument.

Funny things about calls for hard evidence

(1) You decried me for providing it, and

(2) Jordan's lack of Peace treaty with Israel until this past year or two (I don't recall exactly when it was signed, only that it was very recent) was questioned.

You two make me laugh.

[elke]

I thought Jordan signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1994? Am I confused?