Home | Honestly, it's a nice thought, but I don't see where that's possible in this particular thread. I do believe that ultimately we share many ideals, and for what it's worth, I don't think you intentionally mean to be derogatory towards Jews so much as make convenient rebutals which aren't always so well thought out.
Jeez. I just got banned from a site for 'equating' statements of a MOD to that of an Islamist apologist.
Didnt' know that was regarded as slander.
And this same , Citizenbfk, is still slandering like the blitherin' idiot that he is.
Strage how anti-semitism is 'ok' while equating somebody's statements to that of an Islamist apologist is considered a personal attack.
In all honesty, I was warned at first, I wanted a justification since this wasn't considered a slander or breaking of any rules of the site, and bam, I got banned.
This started it all:
How about you refer to the posts of Citizenbfk and get back to me if you still don't think he's an anti-semite, by definition.Omega50 wrote:
If we slap people for being anti[insert religion], you would also have to be in the same position.bigjelmapro wrote:
That's all this anti-semite gets? A slap on the wrist?
I despise these Islamists. If nobody forcefully deports them from Western countries, these goatasses will pull these countries back into the stone age.
They're as useful as genital warts.
Edit: Why do you think it's ok to post hate messages about other religions, but disallow others the same rights as you seem to think you have?
It maybe time to be less tolerant to these types of posts, by both sides.2. Don't reduce things to meaningless trashtalk, ie. racist references like niggers, etc.
anti-semite':
a person who discriminates against or is prejudiced or hostile toward Jews.
If you think that despising Islamists, again, look up the definition of an Islamist, isn't justified, then please, make your case, otherwise stop trying to equate what I'm saying as 'hate messages'. Despising Islamists and despising Muslims in general are completely different things, and I'm NOT condoning the latter.
I can almost equate you to an Islamist apologist based on what you're stating here. Please get some background info on what I'm referring to rather than see this as an infringement on one's freedom of speech. There isn't a parallel to be drawn here.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Citizenbfk hasn't posted in two weeks.Originally Posted by nbarzelay
I was referring to the site that I was recently banned from: isohunt.com/forum
Since he lacks the cojones to come back to this site....
Thank you very much, nbarzelay, in your post over at ISOHUNT (i.e. the site you got banned from), thank you for encouraging me to come back over here and follow up on this thread.
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I've gone through all the previous posts carefully and saw many worthy and insightful points to consider.
The first one that strikes me, and it came up frequently, although it wasn't my idea of what this thread would be about: "What is the definition of antiSemitism?"
Another thread deals with this, as we all know, yet it's question and it's definition do intertwin here and there. In the fourth post, #4, I made it clear what I thought racism is:
QUOTE FROM POST #4:
"I would think of bad and evil things like marching people off to a gas chamber, imprisoning a group based on race or religion, beating up or killing people based on race or religion, denying them jobs based on race or religion and things like that; or things like not allowing them to use the same swimming pools or water fountains which I have heard was one of the first overt anti-Semitic acts/policies of Hitler AS WELL AS the long-term treatment of blacks in the USA during it's 'Jim Crow,' period.
Oh yea...making people slaves would also be bad."
It is now critically obvious to me that MY understanding of racism is not the same, or even close to being the same, as many who post here.
You don't have to be a mathmatician to quickly scan through previous posts and find INNUMBERABLE ACCUSATIONS TO ME BEING A RASCIST...A anti-JEWISH RASCIST, a.k.a., AN ANTISEMITE.
You wouldn't have to be a mathmatician to do that, but you would need to be able to count on more than your fingers or toes.
I'll make it clear that I DISCOUNT any other definitions of anti-Semitism other then ones that would be similiar to the criminal acts I have mentioned. Offhand, for example, I see I failed to mention education; although I would think of it as racism to deprive a race of education, or to give them only inferior education, etc. so I'm not trying to say my list was comprehensive but I am making it clear that only actions or attitudes that would fit into the list I've quote, (like inferior education based on race) are the only items that are real racism, to me.
If I call PM Olmert a Big *BEEP*HEAD* for example, I don't see that as racism. If I provide a list of facts to document that Israel is an apartheid nation, for example, I don't see that as racism.
Fact like the ones I posted today at ISOHUNT:
1. Lower employment rates for Arabs.
2. Less allocating of Israeli government benefits to Arabs.
3. Discrimination in housing for Arabs.
4. Hindering of Arab free movement
5. Hindering of Arab internal and external free trade, closing of borders, closing of ports, etc.
6. Hindering of Arab business and industry
7. Destruction of Arab farmlands an olive groves
8. Withhold of funds everyone agrees belongs to the Arabs, not the Jews.
9. Mass arrest of people, including woman and children, without even any charges being filed, lawyers provided, or a schedule for trials.
10. On going, daily expansion of Israeli settlements onto Arab land
11.. Threats against and destruction of Arab sacred sites, etc.
Considering these facts, documented measurements and actions, it would appear that the policies of the State of Israel are rascist. ¿Que no?
But I'm not a racist for pointing them out.
(and please feel free to refute this list of 11 factual items, although see if you could do so without refereing to my apparently diminished brain capacity or my propensity to talk out of both sides of my mouth, or speculations on how such a fruitcake could ever have graduated from grammer school, etc.)
I don't consider myself a racist (or an antiSemite) because even if see and make a list like this it has NOTHING to do with, or NO DESIRE ON MY PART to start sending Jews to the gas chambers, killing or attacking Jews, depriving Jews of jobs, hindering Jewish education, etc...the items mentioned above or items like that.
Apparently what qualifies as racism on this site is much broader than what I consider valid.
I want to go on those, because I did come up with another REASON FOR ANTI-SEMITISM
although this topic is also befowled, as the previously mentioned different understands, definitions, etc. __
I really should have, now I see,titled the thread:REASONS FOR HOSTILE ATTITUDES TOWARDS JEWS.
NOT A REASON FOR WANTING TO KILL JEWS, HARM JEWS, DISCRIMINATE AGAINST JEWS IN JOBS OR EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, ETC. ETC.
BUT -- YES -- REASONS FOR HOSTILE ATTITUDES TOWARD JEWS. That's why I started this thread: to list reasons for hostile attitudes towards Jews, SOME OF WHICH, I have, no doubt, like the one below...
Not ALL Jews -- I'll say again -- yet no matter how many times I say...well, it would be 'polite,' of me to say it fell on deaf ears because somehow it gets tossed back into my face --NOT ALL JEWS.
I'LL REPEAT, for what's it worth;
1. I would vote for US
Here's my new one, as I seek to understand, to clarify this in my own mind: Many Jews think of themselves as Jews first and members of another nation secondarily.
This can be clearly seen in the definition of nationality: Does a Jew living here as a citizen in the United States define himself/or herself as, either:
1. A Jewish-American,
or
2. An American Jew. ??
Would most Jews who live in Germany, for example, call themselves: Jewish-Germans, or German Jews?
?? I believe this reflects the point, the REASON for Anti-Semitism of how many people see Jews as being more concerned for, more interested in Israel rather then the country they live in, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY SEE LOBBYING TO DRAIN MONEY, TIME, RESOURCES, AND BLOOD ALL TO THE BENEFIT OF ISRAEL -- AND NOT TO THE BENEFIT OR BEST INTEREST OF THE COUTRY THEY LIVE IN, LIKE THE USA; 4example.
citizenbfk
I have nothing more to add to what I already said to you before. This is what I said to andak01, a Muslim, who initially sided with you: Why I Consider citizenbfk to be an antisemite And even he saw the light and agreed that what you posted earlier was antisemitic!
Now you can do two things: Either admit that you were wrong and apologize so we could move onto discussing your other political allegations (preferrably on another suitable thread). Or you can go on with your denials about what you already said and what is clearly visible for everyone to see and we will make no progress whatsoever!
Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem.
Author: John Galsworthy 1867-1933, British Novelist, Playwright
I'm not interested in discussing my political allegations here on this thread either; they were listed merely as an example of a list of ideas that I assumed would, to some, be enough to start them howling about anti-Semitism, although --- and this was the point I was hoping to make --
I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THAT LIST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACISM...
But, if YOU want to discuss my list of 11 items I feel document Israel as an apartheid nation, fine; I willing to do that ...give me a link to any thread you suggest and I'll go over there and post the list. And we can discuss it if you'd like.
As far as "denials," I am not aware of a single denial. I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about?
But...if you wish to give me a list of 'my denials,' I'd be happy to either CONFIRM OR DENY what ever it is you're talking about. No Problem.
citizenbfk
P.S. > Your openning demand, quoted above, that I must admit I was wrong and apologize?...have you ever actually had someone do this to you in your life?
I mean...did someone say something and you came back and said: "Either admit that you were wrong and apologize," and they wrote back and said, sorry, and apologized?
??
I understand we come from different backgrounds and educational systems but, really, do people behave so haughty, like that, in your world?
And get away with it? Or get apologizes?
Amazing.
citizenbfk
The only one who is haughty is you! Not only that but you are in denial about your antisemitism. I demonstrated that and Ichallenged you to prove me wrong but you either deliberately (quite likely) or stupidly responded to something that I didn't say while ignored what I actually did say. I call that, at the least evasive or lilly livered and haughty, what do you call it citizenbfk?
Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem.
Author: John Galsworthy 1867-1933, British Novelist, Playwright
Of course they do.
http://euobserver.com/24/23115
Middle East facing 'worst crisis' in years, EU says
15.12.2006 - 17:11 CET | By Andrew Rettman
EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - EU leaders meeting in Brussels on Friday (15 December) said the Middle East is facing one of the "worst crises in years" after fighting broke out on Friday between rival Palestinian factions and Lebanon continues to stand on the verge of internal conflict.
"The Israeli-Arab conflict is at the heart of this crisis," the EU said, urging Israel and Palestine to live "side-by-side" on the basis of a 1967 UN agreement on borders and agreeing to an extension until March 2007 of the EU's so-called "TIM" aid mechanism that delivers cash while bypassing Hamas militants.
The violence in Palestine began when gunmen fired on Hamas' political leader Ismail Haniya, killing a bodyguard and injuring his son, while he was going through the EU-controlled Rafah border crossing between Egypt and Gaza in a fire-fight that forced the 80 or so EU customs officials to flee.
Hamas said the move was an assassination attempt by Fatah, a rival political faction controlled by Mahmoud Abbas which is considered more friendly to western and Israeli ideas on conflict resolution, with supporters of the two factions engaging in skirmishes throughout the region on Friday.
In broader statements on Middle East problems, Europe repeated calls for Palestinian and Lebanese kidnappers to release three Israeli soldiers being held hostage since summer and urged Jerusalem to "stop violations of Lebanese airspace by the Israeli air force" at a tense time in Lebanon following the murder of pro-western industry minister Pierre Gemayel.
Europe scolded Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahamdinejad for cancelling a scheduled December meeting with the EU on human rights, adding that it "condemns any denial of the Holocaust as a historical fact" which forms the "underlying premise" of a Holocaust conference currently taking place in Tehran.
The 25-strong EU bloc also lent tentative support to sending an EU police training mission to Afghanistan in future, after EU top diplomat Javier Solana briefed EU leaders on Thursday that both Kabul and international organisations such as NATO and the UN would "welcome" such a move.
"The EU will examine ways of strengthening its engagement, including by looking at opportunities and conditions for a potential civilian...mission in the field of policing," the EU stated.
"This is significant - it clears the way for EU projects in civilian actions in both the north and the [more dangerous] south. It means that once NATO has cleared a space that is safe, the EU might come in to help with institution building and development," an EU diplomat explained.
(a nice touch is that a picture of a Merkava-4 is captioned "Both Palestine and Lebanon are on the verge of an upsurge in violence due to Arab-Israeli tensions, the EU says")
http://ejpress.org/article/news/eu-israel_affairs/15083
DAMASCUS/BRUSSELS (EJP)--- Javier Solana, the EU’s foreign policy chief, was reported as saying the EU supports Syria’s goal of regaining the occupied Golan Heights from Israel, during a visit in Damascus.
"We would like to work as much as possible to see your country Syria recuperate the territory taken in 1967," Javier Solana said Wednesday during a joint press conference with Syrian foreign minister Walid al-Moualem, news agencies reported.
Solana’s visit in Syria, at the end of a three-nation Mideast visit, is seen as a turning point in EU-Syria relations which have been frozen during the last two years.
The EU top diplomat received last Friday a mandate from the EU Council to visit Damascus.
Relations between the European Union and Syria have been frozen since the death in 2005 of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri, whose killing in a bomb attack in Beirut has been at least partly blamed on Damascus.
Solana said that Syria would have to change its behavior in the region, particularly in working for peace and security in neighbouring Lebanon, in order to spur positive relations with the EU.
"In order to resume the relationship we have to have a frank and sincere discussion about things that can change ... and we have to see how the behavior of our friends in Syria may change," Solana said.
A Syrian newspaper however brushed aside any change of Syrian policies.
Israel has criticized Solana’s visit, saying it was wrong for the EU to give credence to Syria while it appears to continue to support Lebanese group Hezbollah which waged last summer’s war on Israel.
http://ejpress.org/article/15522
GENEVA (EJP)---An international Jewish organisation has called for the dismissal of the United Nations Human Rights Council’s special rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967.
In an address before the in Geneva, B’nai B’rith International’s delegation spoke out against John Dugard, a rapporteur who they say has “continually demonstrated an extreme bias against Israel, openly ignoring the ongoing and pervasive human rights violations of the Palestinians while criticizing Israel at every turn.â€
BBI’s David Matas adressed the UN on behalf of B’nai B’rith International President Moishe Smith and the Coordinating Board of Jewish Organizations (CBJO), referring to a recent report of Dugard’s as “a tired repetition of a long string of unilateral accusations leveled against Israelâ€
Dugard is a South African professor of international law who has served as Judge ad hoc on the International Court of Justice and as a Special Rapporteur for both the United Nations Commission on Human Rights and the International Law Commission and has written extensively on South African apartheid.
In his reports on Israel’s treatments of the Palestinians, Dugard has consistently compared Israel to apartheid South Africa.
Describing Gaza as “a prisonâ€, Dugard wrote in his report “Israel has genuine and legitimate security concerns. However Israel has taken advantage of the paranoia of non-State terrorism in certain countries to embark on a reign of state terrorism in the occupied Palestinian territories.â€
No understanding
“The former German Foreign Minister once said that he who places all the blame for the Middle East conflict on one side, shows thereby that he understands nothing about this conflict,†Matas said. “Mr. Dugard’s paper fits that description.â€
Matas went on to detail how Dugard negatively depicted “Israeli measures to defend its citizens from suicide and other terrorist attacks†such as the security barrier using “Nazi vocabularyâ€.
“The author does not find space for a single mention of these attacks coming from the West Bank and only half of a sentence regarding the on-going Qassam attacks fired from Gaza.
“In his exuberance to tag Israel with the racist label, the author even resorts to Nazi vocabulary by describing the Jews as a “racial†group in opposition to a so-called Palestinian “racial†group. Given the worldwide rise of antisemitism such language in a U.N. document is welcome food for those who seek to denigrate Jews on account of their “racial†characteristics,†the BBI representative added.
And in further criticism, he said: “This is perhaps the most blatant violation of the principles of non-selectivity unanimously supported by all member and non-member countries at the very first session of this new Council.â€
B’nai B’rith International, describes itself as “the global voice of the Jewish communityâ€. Formed in 1843, it is the oldest and most widely known Jewish humanitarian, human rights, and advocacy organization.
Dugard’s latest report can be found here
http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/G...df?OpenElement
http://ejpress.org/article/15589
LONDON (EJP)---The British government has urged university chiefs in the UK to discuss what can be done to stamp out growing anti-Semitism on campuses.
Phil Woolas, the British communities minister, made his comments as he revealed he was referring the matter to the government’s hate-crime taskforce, a unit that crosses over departments and which comes up with initiatives to combat religiously and racially motivated crime, to "look at possible ways forward".
The minister added that universities had a statutory responsibility to tackle hate crime on campus under race relations legislation, and demanded that vice-chancellors, which run British universities, produce strategies to outline how they intend to do it.
Speaking to members of an all-party committee of MPs which last year produced a report on anti-Semitism, the minister said: "Open and public debate is one thing, but rhetoric with an undercurrent of hate and racism is quite another.
"Perhaps this is most worrying on university campuses."
Campuses should be places for constructive dialogue, he said.
Beyond freedom of speech
However, Woolas added: "There is increasing evidence of activities well beyond what could be labelled freedom of speech or normal youthful behaviour. These cross the line into anti-Semitism."
"It is not acceptable for Jewish students to be attacked in this way, either verbally or physically. And it is not acceptable for people to incite this kind of behaviour among students."
The government said it supported a recommendation by the all-party group that any moves for UK universities to boycott links with academics working in Israel would be an attack on "academic freedom and intellectual exchange".
Woolas also backed MPs who were opposed to any moves to "de-legitimise Jewish societies on campus".
The statements by the government come as representatives of the Union of Jewish Students (UJS) attended the annual conference of the National Union of Students (NUS), in the seaside resort of Blackpool, which they said would be a useful way of gauging how serious-a-problem anti-Semitism is.
Major step
Speaking to the daily Guardian newspaper, the UJS campaign director Mitch Simmons said the government’s statement was a major step.
However, he said he was disappointed that the government and MPs had failed to address the issue that some universities fail to take up incidents of anti-Semitism raised by the Student Union, because they believe the organisation is separate to the university.
He said: "Some universities think that the student union is a separate body to the university and as such when something happens in the student union the university will say that it isn’t covered by its guidelines," he said.
"The other problem which was not addressed is that student unions are not recognised as public organisations and as such are not included under the Race Relations Amendment Act.
"On a lot of campuses the university will work with the student union but really it’s quite diverse and haphazard - in some places it works very well and in others it is dreadful. I can’t say I’m disappointed with today’s response but it’s irritating that they haven’t been thinking ’outside the box’."
The president of Universities UK, Professor Drummond Bone, said: "Universities have a legal obligation to ensure academic freedom. In the rare instances where this freedom is being abused to discriminate against one particular race or religion, our institutions take firm action. This will include working with police and other authorities where, and if, necessary."
You shouldn't have a reason for hostility against a people. Take them as they come. I know, I am subject to that kind of hostility here. Unfortunately, giving heed to such sentiments and particularly publicizing them gives strength to those who really do want to harm and kill Jews.
Typical backward way of debating.
Your purported list of “11 facts†are not only unsubstantiated, every single one of them is fictitious. When you claim that your false 11 facts “proof†that Israel is an apartheid state, you clearly show that you also don’t know what “apartheid†means, and what living in the apartheid state of South Africa (where the label “apartheid†originated) from 1948 to the early 1990’s meant.
When I showed your list to my Arab neighbors, many of them who live in bigger houses and drive bigger cars than I, they thumbed their noses.
You don’t know what you are babbling about, you clearly have no insight of the real Israel, and you are undoubtedly (judging from your other posts) a very ignoble, anachronistic type of anti-Semite. All you try to do is find a way to support your anti-Semitism by dragging Israel through the mud.
Your statements are mere clichés used by the copywriters of Arab propaganda. In fact, your “list of 11 facts†looks disconcertedly identical to Ahmadinejad’s claims as to why Israel should be wiped off the world’s map.
You can go on and on, pushing the same nonsense over and over again, using a tactic that was very popular with Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister, who said: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.â€
Feel free to inundate this forum with your lies, but rest assured, you will get your deserved ripostes, though I think the majority of us here will simply ignore you.
Before dealing directly with each of these points, above, I keeping coming up against the realization that we don't understand each other, don't want to understand each other's views, are practically speaking different vocabularies.
Initially, I now realize, when I started a thread for the REASONS for anti_Semitism [a.k.a. racism against Jews] it was my honest intention to list, to come up with reasons, good or bad, honest or false, or reasons used in the past or present as REASONS for anti-Slmitism.
Thus the first and most commonly heard REASONS is the denial of JC; I QUICKLY ADDED THAT THIS MAY HAVE BEEN TRUE IN THE PAST BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A REASON GIVEN OR TAKEN SERIOUSLY TODAY
I ALSO QUICKLY ADDED THAT I GOT THAT REASON FROM ANOTHER POST ON THIS FORUM (i.e. Definitions of Anti-Semitism) and -- to repeat -- stated then and state now, I don't think it is worthy of any discussion or debate' although I pointed out, then and now:
that Jews insulting Christianity or insulting Jesus, trying to deny the historical validity of the story, or spining the ChristStory in self-serving ways than DEFY THE IMAGINATION, provokes an angry reaction, compairing it to calling Moses a *head.
It's interesting that now, having initiated this thread with that first once example and REASON, I now find that I come back to it now as a cornerstone conclusion: i.e. Jewish actions provoking an angry reaction. especially in senstitive areas like religious differences or political struggles.
It seems though, that one of the initial difficulties many found here is they were perhaps expecting REASONS to be more like throwing non-Jews down on some anaylsis couch or dissecting table and seeking to identify and/or extract their flaws!? lol
But no, > I never thought of this topic that way. I thought of REASONS as things in the real world that Jews do that distress non-Jews.
Of course this flies in the face of an idea I discovered here that Jews (or some Jews) don't DO anything wrong, never; the State of Israel never does anything wrong, never; especially if it's something pointed out by non-Jews.
On this forum, it seems non-Jews discussing opposition to State of Israel policy or the lobbying influence of foreign Zionist = racism; which has a very convient parry and attempt to deflect criticism -- up to now. Or to drag out this dead horse of how --- even the liberators of the death camps and their sons want to Deny the Holocuast; yada yada yada. Or these liberators didn't act fast enough to suit you; yada yada.
For example, thinking about it now, I have never heard ONE EXPRESSION OF GRATITUDE FOR THE ACTIONS OF MY NATION AND THE ACTIONS OF MY FATHER AND THE ACTIONS OF MY UNCLES IN DEFEATING HITLER.
It seems "gratitude," is not in the Jewish vocabulary. It seems you'd rather choke that express appreciaiton for this. It seems you rather throw back even the suggestion of expressing such "gratitude," as a pathetic request.
Too bad. I suggest this attitude is another REASON for anti-Jewish racism.
Jewish actions provoking an angry reaction. especially in senstitive areas like religious differences or political struggles.
[/COLOR]...such as insulting or trying to disprove Christianity, an inabilty to look at the clear statistics of apartheid but rather insulting even it's suggestion, or making the world listen to 60 years of Holocaust grief and not one day of Thanks for Liberation
(And please don't mention the special goyem section so kindly reserved at Vad Vashem; nobody even hears about it while the Holocaust guilt --- which came from a political party in Germany -- is liberally trashed around the world like a woman waving bleeding knickers, or something.)
Reffo (re: quote, above). You didn't demonstrate anything. And rather than your false claim, in post 144, that I "ignored," what you were saying it was quite, quite clear, that I was asking for clarity on what the hell you were talking about and clearly indicatred I would CONFIRM OR DENY every statement of mine that you brought to my attention.
Apparently you decided to IGNORE what I was saying.
And haughty? Well, in my book, demanding someone to declare they are wrong, insisting they apologize, and claiming you "demonstrated," all this profoundly IS haughty. It's almost the definition of Haughty:arrogantly superior and disdainful.
I bring up this definition because, I made add, that it doesn't make any linguisitc sense to then, in your childish way, to say: "Boo-Hoo > I'm not haughty, you're haughty," AND THEN ADD THAT I AM LILY-LIVERED!
I see, You say I am lily-livered and haughty!
ROFL!
I'll spare you a trip to the dictionary to make the point that haughty is associated with arrogrant, lily-livered with 'weak.' haughty is associated with a push disdainful sense of superiority, livy=liveryed with cowardly.
[B]Mediocrates:[/B] I didn't understand why your recent posts were in this thread; I was even more perplexed how in the material you quoted it seemed to indicate that calling Jews a "racial," group was Nazi-like, esp. in oppostion to a so-called Palestinian group.
Was the point that documentation of stastics indicating Israel is an apartheid nation = racism? Well...was that the point?
chaver4u2You're out of touch with reality and it's totally impotent to think a list of 11-points documenting apartheid-like conditions in Israel, based on stastics will be refuted by you calling them: "fictitious."
. Apparently you don't know what rebutal or debate even means; you just know what hurling insults and generic denials means; a method of 'debate,' you should have left behind in your childhood days.
I'll point out that what is called: 'ancedotal,' accounts (of Arabs thumbing their noses at my suggestion) are also considered worthless in the real world; as well as discounted by documentation and actions and statements of Arab leaders, the opinion of the Arab world, the world, and the UN.
You just presented trash-talk; I stick to the stastics in the list. Refute them, if you can (or send that thumbing nose pic; that will convince me. Ha!).
andak01
You are right, "You shouldn't have a reason for hostility against a people," although this is noted worldwide, throughout all of time. More specifically my little 'parable,' about the Irish/English tinkers, who are thought of like the sterotype of gypsies, mentioned in one of my early posts was trying to express the point: Tinkers think of 'non-Tinkers,' as potential victims for their scams, a.k.a. 'marks.' so no matter how reasonable or respectful you try to be it is still like you are being circled by sharks.
Which comes to the conclusion of the new REASON I have to offer now:
"A religion and culture predicated on antipathy toward other people (or cultures) has proven through the course of history to provoke antipathy in return."
I am trying to ID this, get to what most 'rings true,' to me and helps exlain anti-Jewish racism and, you know, this may be, IMO, the closest to the core idea I've found (from another forum) and would explain its constant re-occurance and ESPECIALLY when put side by side with another culture that ALSO considers itself superior, at times, like Germans; or --- from a personal weeked end camping experience -- what happens what some Jews are camping out with some USA Native American Lakota Sioux Indians.
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