Home | I quite enjoy the articles and books of Efraim Karsh which rape every one of Benny Morris's fabricated and twisted points into submission.Originally Posted by Mediocrates
Just a taste:
Benny Morris's Reign of Error, Revisited
The Post-Zionist Critique
It's still a wonder why sites like PalestineRemembered still use this rubbish as the cornerstone of their misguided arguments.
The next topic should be: Reasons for Hating Geriatric White Trash Who Have Relations with Their Sister and Post About it on Chat Rooms
"It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders
How unexpected it is to come to a Pro-Israeli site and find a Muslim here, and that this Muslim has the most intelligent responses.
Sorry, andak01 for probably getting you in 'trouble,' by mentioning this, but your well made points are a vivid contrast to the more typical barrage of gutter insults.
I think you absolutely right about point one, [quote above.] I'll just have to get over it. All religions are like that, even my own views, I see, in some way: At least I don't condemn others to a hell for not seeing the world the way I do. But...OK: scratch 'Chosen People,' syndrome.
#2) [re:Zionist siphoning off resources]: well, the budget on some foreign aid is public. Israel has gotten over 3-billion a year for the last ten years or more. No other foreign nation gets more> So, there is 'proof,' or documentation for this ideas of Zionist siphoning off resources.
More Significantly = The MISDIRECTING of billions of dollars of other resources is perhaps the bigger problem, such as Encouraging Wars.
A most recent public example was one of our newly empowered Democratic politicians, US House Leader Nancy Pelosi, giving a talk to the Zionist lobbying group AIPAC then going back to DC and ELIMINATING A PROVISION FROM AN IMPORTANT NEW BILL THAT WOULD HAVE OUTLAWED THE INVASION OF IRAN!!!.
So, that's a pretty direct correlation and in tune with past lobbying activities, so not only getting cash for themselves but directing our whole nation into a war -- ANOTHER WAR -- based on hype and lies and which, once again, is only of interest to USA Oil Fever and bloody Zionist hegemony. So I'm sticking to Point Two. And I'm making a fuss.
Point three: [re:antipathy provokes antipathy] Yes, this is, as you point out, a natural universal response of everyone, so I guess the question behind the scenes is: Is Zionism/Judeaism hostile to the rest of the world, other cultures, races, religions, etc.
I think the answer here is, unfortunately, Yes. Although it was encouraged to use the more polite term here: 'non-Jew,' the term of racial insults Jews had for the rest of the world was: goyem. goy' is a derogatory word for Christians used by Jews.
I guess your general point of how every culture has such traits but I'm not so sure. Like the idea of describing the rest of the world as: 'non-Irish,' is so ridiculous to me that I even find it hard to use is in sarcasm.
And antipathy? Well in the posts in the last 12 hours I've been called: a libelous scumbag, a hate monger, unhinger, loony, insane, Comrade Adolf, a person who get's 'hot,' over the idea of Nazi flags, trailer trash, regurgitating Islamic propaganda, AND I might add, having a bad case of halitosis.
?? Gosh...I'm pretty sure my High School Debate teacher would give all these people a failing grade; which is the nicest way I can say it with comparing it to a bunch of braying jackasses or rabid dogs.
But I see 'half a point," in what you're saying. Although I didn't eloborate about my experience of camping out a few days in support of a Native American Indian action [note: nbarzelay - my political actions have not been just going to 'rallies] well...the Instant Confrontations between the Jewish campers there and the Lakota Sioux was Very Illuminating.
Humm...I'd suggest a more 'live and let live,' attitude and when the Irish insult other races they are more particular about it OR when the Irish integrate and get along with other races they feel pretty good about it and good about the new homeland they have found, often giving them hopes and opportunities they had no chance of back home, during the 400 years of English economic enslavement, colonializism, and genocide.
Other necessary responses to other posters: Reffo, I don't have ATD. The numbers, the references you gave for the post I was to review were wrong.
See the difference? You post reference numbers were wrong; not a case of me having ATD.
Admit this clear and documented fact, Reffo. And apologize. Then we can move on because what would be the point when your own clerical mistakes are turned into unwarrented accusations that it was the other person's problem!? And maybe stop the Comrade Adolf appellation; it's ridiculous, wrong, and distorts your own perceptions more than offends me.
As mentioned, apparently once again to no avail, my father and uncles fought against Hitler; Hitler was mocked throughout my whole life; Hitler was an butthead.
Re: Redcake and more nazi-sympather thick headed allegations. (See above).
Re: Mil > Boo-Hoo. OMG. Well, your reaction makes the point I was making more indisputable than ever: Nothing but antipathy comes from most Zionist-dunces even to those who helped saved them from the evils of Nazi Germany (See above). You couldn't just say: "Oh yea. That was nice of the Brits, Canadians and USA Americans to unlock the gates of the death camps, help the people out, and -- also -- document the evils with extensive filmmaking and photos."
Maybe just try to 'pretend,' the emotion might be a good start. Twisting it all around to how I should, as you eloquently expressed, How I should F****ing Thank You shows a desperate grasping at any straw to resist acknowledging aid from others.
USA Americans were not in death camps. Hitler was not on our shores. Nobody liberated us from anything during WWII. We did the liberating (and please, keep your next desperate attempt to insult or refute this to yourself; or maybe you could look at the perversity of your own response: i.e. I should F*****ing Thank You and think about it: I had nothing to thank you for.
Well..I appreciate the viewings of my political action web site. I've never put a link to it on here before so it's not like I was promoting it here (just another accusation).
As mentioned the REASON I even heard of this site was nbarzelay's posts on ISOHUNT, an international forum with no ideology at all, except an incredible tolerance for 'free speech.'
So. Clear? nbarzelay came over to ISOHUNT, gave himself a new name, AND when I discovered he was making appeals to others here to come over and engage in racism against Muslims it was more than fair, to say the least, for me to come over here. Clear? nbarzelay led me here, esp. with his subsequent taunts --- Here and at ISOHUNT -- that I didn't have the 'balls,' to engage in debate here (or the hurling of insults you pretend to think is debate).
So, rather than accepting nbarzelay's final insults that I was 'running away from debate like a dog with his tail between his legs,' here I am.
Banning me would be OK. Since I was following nbarzelay here, at his request, it seems I DID fail to notice that this is --- or I see now that it is -- clearly ID'ed as a "pro-Israeli' site.
Posting here a bit has even made me less 'pro-Israeli,' than ever before so it would seem appropriate for me to withdraw.
Some here, though, DID have the correct insight that I was having difficulty with approaching the 'Israeli Issue,' and all it's hidious insults and fears.
I got people on my political action email list who are Jewish. Some Jewish-Americans and some American Jews and I've been at a loss how to get to this truly central and cornerstone issue (since AIPAC wants to lead our nation into war with Iran; Zionist like the War in Iraq, etc.)
I got a much better grip on that now.
I'd say thanks but that would be impossible, really, most of the post here have struck me as a offensive; offensive, rude, and thick-headed with a KNEE-JERK hatred that was surprising. The 'better grip,' I now have for my email list and subsequent lobbying, is that there is No Point in even trying to be reasonable; it's just a question of: Israel Yes, or Israel No.
Perhaps a final thought worth consideration...in a parellel way...is why am I not anti-Hispanic?? Why am I not anti-Black?? Why am I not anti-American Indian? Why, even, am I not anti-Mormon? (the main other cultures that surround me).
And, despite your insistence and attempts to convince me, why am I not anti-Jew? ALTHOUGH ANTI-APARTHEID ZIONISM; ANTI-AIPAC. (and I now see you ID that as being a racism, myself, when I ID it as racism on your own part)
Nor anti-Muslim? Why, in fact, am I thrilled at voting for a black President? (>> Because it would be such a victory over a whole national past of slavery, civil war, and denial of civil rights, etc.)
One of the surprising, yet cool, trends I've noticed in my postings, esp. to foreign or international forums, is I find myself knocked backed to what all Americans consider our highest ideals -- ideals, even if not always lived; ideals even if many of us also have 'ideals' of sex, drugs, war, greed and corruption that conflict -- Yet/Still -- the foundation of our nation, our laws, our Declaration of Independence from England, and our Constitution, is THE IDEAL OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
Thus, when I saw nbarzelay and his IsraelForum gang over at ISOHUNT encouraging anti-Muslim racism AND trying to shut down debate by insults so common here as well, well...it was against the Ideals I have in my heart: Free Speech. Free Religion. Right to practice free speech. Right to practice your religion.
We couldn't have a USA America without it. And it's been a sort of 'honor,' to me to have to go back to the words of our nation's founders and pick them up once again and see that their 'light,' is once again needed in these current storms of war and hate-talk.
You hate Jews. It's cool. We get it.
You didn't even need the multi-colored fonts, of Leftist appropriation of Nazi flags and sparkling unicorns to get your point across. (Bet you have a hell of a myspace page).
Don't worry, we get the message board paranoia. You totally caught us, man! This is hub central for all the Zionist cabals roving WWW forums all just to gang up on you and make you own up to your own prejudices.
Look, this internet hate mongering in the name of "political action" is clearly some lifestyle for you but the truth is you still don't have the balls to engage in debate. THIS ISN'T DEBATE!!!!
(If you wanted to debate (and it's too late for that) there are thousands of threads here for you to get involved in.... here's one where Medio already refuted your worries about US financing to Israel http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=12343 )
Seriously, you're a fraud. If your goal was ever to create a dialogue and go toe to toe in debate with us, you failed miserably just in approach alone. Now anyone can Google and easily find out what you're truly all about.
Aww. Citizenbfk has found a friend.
Also, read some more on AIPAC and their feelings about Iran. They don't want war with Iran, but stringent enforcement of UN resolutions to halt the development of Iran's nuclear programme, which has shown to be towards the direction of nuclear weapons rather than for 'peaceful purposes'. The amount of uranium enrichment far supercedes the need the amount needed for nuclear power generation.
There aren't enough nuclear reactors to justify the amount Iran is enriching uranium. Pure and simple.
If a radical Mexico were to develop a nuclear weapons programme, the US would be as paranoid as Israel is now with Iran.
The 'Chosen people' bit is still distorted as all hell by the Leftists and other crackpots on this site (and elsewhere). You still don't quite understand that the Chosen people refers to the people who chose to accept monotheism (as in one G-d) as opposed to paganism, atheism, polytheism. It has NOTHING to do with G-d choosing the Jews.
Get that into those thick heads of yours. You guys are really doing a piss bad job of distorting reality.
And citizenbfk, you are as Pro-Israel as Farakhan is. Don't try to make an effort to portray some sort of neutrality on the subject. You're just as stubborn to accept the bitter truth rather than the comfortable Israel-bashing propaganda that you are used to.
And what if it did? So if some group of people believes that their religion is superior and makes them superior, is that a reason to hate them? I'd say this "chosen people syndrome" has more to do with the size of his manhood, both literal and proverbial.
Jeez, Kettle. Just clarifying the distorted beliefs of a goatass antisemite. Sure this whole syndrome could and, in some situations has, created a superiority complex amongst some Jews, but I don't quite care about that. It's all but natural, just as chauvinism is a somewhat negative offshoot of patriotism, which doesn't come to a surprise that it's a French word.
This is all citizenbfk's 'Verbal Viagra'. It's gets him off in his distorted soliloquies...much like it gets Hamlet in a murderous rage.
Oh, I understood you. I was more of making a point.
bfk was saying in the other post that some Jew refused to hire him, and told him that it was because of an advice from a rabbi. The guy must've run out of excuses, I guess. Yet, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't start a "let's hate Persians" blog, if one refused him a job or overcharged him for a rug from a Beverly Hills botique, despite the fact that great many Persians have a superiority complex that would make any Jewish superiority complex seem lilliputian.
Awwwwwwwwww ....... you poor dear, I've hurt your feelings hugh? What thin skin you got citizenbfk...... but alas no, I won't admit that I made clerical mistakes. Clearly what has happened is that since I posted my post #155 - Click here to get to it, a single post was deleted somewhere between posts #1 and post #38 (by some little Gremlin). So, you might notice that:
- what I numbered as post #38, became post#37
- what I numbered as post #62, became post#61
- what I numbered as post #68, became post#67
- what I numbered as post #75, became post#74
- what I numbered as post #96, became post#95
- what I numbered as post #113, became post#112
But never fear citizenbfk, uncle Reffo is here and as I said in my previous post, all you have to do is go to my post #155 By Clicking Here And then click on each of the links on that post. And by clicking on the links, you'll get to the posts that I wanted you to respond to....... Unless of course:
- You are lilly livered
- You are dishonest
- Or you have Attention Deficit Disorder and can't follow simple instructions
Personally, I think you have all of the above.....
Best Regards to you Comrade Adolf (Joking....I hope you know what I mean)
Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem.
Author: John Galsworthy 1867-1933, British Novelist, Playwright
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Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
Posted by citizen:
I'll just respond to my post:
Boo-Hoo. OMG. Well, your reaction makes the point I was making more indisputable than ever: Nothing but antipathy comes from most Zionist-dunces even to those who helped saved them from the evils of Nazi Germany (See above).
Or may be your ungratefull a*** should be thankful to my grandfather who crossed Dnepr in the summer of 1943 or fought against the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler SS Panzergrendier division at Lake Balaton in 45. Or may be to my grand-uncle who perished at Stalingrad? Or may be my wife's grand-father who was burned in his T-34 at Kursk? Or may be Marshal Radion Malinovsky commander of the 3rd Ukranian front who just happened to be Jewish under whose command more Germans were killed then by all the Americans, Canadian, and the rest combined? Why don't you say thank you to Marshal Malinovsky.
Nothing to be thank-ful about. Jews fought and died like everyone else in each and every army. In fact they fought with even more energy then everyone else given that Jews got no mercy from the Germans. As to be thankful for liberation - well, WWII was not fought for the Jews - Jews just happened to be a part of that war.
You couldn't just say: "Oh yea. That was nice of the Brits, Canadians and USA Americans to unlock the gates of the death camps, help the people out, and -- also -- document the evils with extensive filmmaking and photos."
First you thank my grandfather.
Maybe just try to 'pretend,' the emotion might be a good start. Twisting it all around to how I should, as you eloquently expressed, How I should F****ing Thank You shows a desperate grasping at any straw to resist acknowledging aid from others.
I acknowledge. Should the French also acknowledge? How about the Poles to the Soviets?
USA Americans were not in death camps. Hitler was not on our shores. Nobody liberated us from anything during WWII. We did the liberating (and please, keep your next desperate attempt to insult or refute this to yourself; or maybe you could look at the perversity of your own response: i.e. I should F*****ing Thank You and think about it: I had nothing to thank you for.
So I should thank you but you will not thank my grandfather? Mind you Red Army did most of the fighting in that war.
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
I'm glad to see in some progress that you are actually responding to some posters here rather than going on some cut-and-paste diatribe which I'm usually accustomed to.
There is still this 'racism' accusation which you can't seem to prove. Yet again I have to explain to you that Islam isn't a race and despising Islamists is not considered blatant bigotry, which you're obviously displaying in your prejudices against Jews, but rather justified in it's entirety. Please state this alleged 'racism' rather than paying lip-service to the word.
I realize that the US has this pompous view on WWII as being the saviours to the rest of the world and all, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Not only did the US enter late, end of 1941, but rather entered the war under the threat of Nazism and Japanese imperialism.
There was a underlying threat of the Nazi's nuclear weapons programme (funny eh, as with Iraq) and their Wunderwaffe capabilities. These Wunderwaffe weapons and crafts such as the U-boat, V-rockets, early cruise missiles, radio controlled missiles, jet-propulsion aircraft, extreme long-range super bombers ('Amerika Bombers') capable of reaching the continental US, artillery and small arms technology, etc. All of this just happened to be the centerpiece of the US's army, navy and airforce right after WWII in addition to the tons of heavy water and enriched uranium. Just check out the race the US had with the Soviets in running through Europe scooping up as many German scientists as possible. Who headed NASA's development? Manhattan project?
There was the the paranoia induced by Japan's attacks on the Chinese using Anthrax, Botulin, the Plague, smallpox, and even Salomenalla in airburst dumb bombs. These deaths, however, could not be fully accounted for since the brunt of these biological weapons happened to exist in nature. Also, quite questionable how this technology happened to be adopted by the US in their biological warfare industry. Additionally, there was also the Japanese 6-engined super-bombers ("G10N1" The Fugaku or Mount Fuji) and Japanese 'I-boat' submarines that were capable of attacking the continental US.
So really Citizenbfk, there was an underlying threat to the continental US from both axis power as well as technology to be pillaged from these powers. Don't pretend as if the pretext for war was the actual liberation of Europe from Nazism. That's really getting tiresome.
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