i appreciate there are jews from different biological backgrounds
but you are born jewish regardless of your beliefs if your mother is jewish
so doesnt that kinda make it a race, you cant really opt out of it, your jewish from birth... or not?
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Home | i appreciate there are jews from different biological backgrounds
but you are born jewish regardless of your beliefs if your mother is jewish
so doesnt that kinda make it a race, you cant really opt out of it, your jewish from birth... or not?
help
And if it's a race, how do you know who wins?
It's an ethnicity. Jews are by and large descendants of ancient Hebrews.Originally Posted by sunshine
i appreciate there are jews from different biological backgrounds
but you are born jewish regardless of your beliefs if your mother is jewish
so doesnt that kinda make it a race, you cant really opt out of it, your jewish from birth... or not?
help
Jews are not a race its a people like turanians or latinos.
Some jews are european, others semitic et c, and arabs are semetic to.
Its a people.
It's a curse
Jews are an ethnic group who belong to one family with DNA that they have.
In the 01:05:20 (one hour, 5 minutes and 20 seconds) of this video (it doesn't work at Sabbath) you can watch an article that was broadcasted in Israel channel 2 about a research that shows that all the Cohens worldwide are descendants of one man (the first Jewish priest - Aaron).
They are not European Jews. They are Jews who live in Europe. They are living all over the world because they were exiled from Israel 2000 years ago by the Romans.
You can't compare the Jews who live in Europe to the local Europeans, the Jews in Europe (at least those who don't assimilate) keep their seperate tradition and they are strangers there.
There are Christians and Muslims all over the world because these religions were forced on them all over the world. The Jews in Europe have no roots in Europe as much as the local Europeans have.
Yes, NewsGuy, Cohanim and Leviim are indeed a race since to be a Cohen or a Levi one has to be born to a Cohen or a Levi father.
However, to be Jewish one can convert from any other race making Jews not a race, though, if someone is born to a Jewish mother, the child is automatically Jewish, somewhat like a newborn to an American is automatically an American, and yet america is not a race.
The concept of Jewish derives from a nation born during the Exodus from Egypt where we accepted upon ourselves a divine Constitution upon which all the Laws and Ammendments are based.
Happy Birthday - Pesach!
Not only the Cohanim but other Jews have a certain DNA.
Wrong.
Those who "convert" (the correct word is not convert but giur) are not Jews but Ger Tzedek. Even in the morning pray they are mentioned and they will remain as Ger Tzedek for the rest of their life.
Convertion is between religions. If a Chinese wants to believe in some religion then he converts to that religion.
Jews are not allowed to marry people from other nations but they can marry gentiles who abandon their religions and accept to join the Jewish nation.
No, the concept of Bnei Israel derives from our common origin and history, as descendants of the Biblical Jacob (Israel). The word Jewish has etymological roots in the ancient kingdom of Judaea, and more or less is nothing other than modern way of saying "Judaean".
Both have to do with a national, not a religious, identity. Your attempts to deny our history is really nothing short of outright dishonesty. Even if you can't pull your head from under your tail and see that there is more to this world than what's written in your religious books, including things like history and common culture, try to read those books of yours. They clearly describe the Jews as people of common descent with a common ethno-national character.
Yes, most Jews have a common gene pool and converts join it when they convert becoming just as Jewish as Avraham, Ruth, Onkelos, etc...
Your mention of Cohanim as example of Jews being a race is misleeding. I am sure it is unintentional though...
Ger Tzedek is just a jewish term for a convert to Judaism who becomes a Jew and can marry freely amongs other jews... There is no other way to become jewish.
Ger Toshav is a term for a Gentile who abandons idol worship and accepts many Jewish practices along with Noahidism.
Abraham wasn't Jewish and when they do a giur they don't become Jewish but they remain ger as they were but now they receive a new name - Ger Tzedek
Jews are a race.
If they become Jews in the moment they did a giur, like you say, then there would be no need for this name. This name prove that they are not Jews but Ger Tzedek.
Indeed Ger Tzedek can marry Jews.
They are not Jews.
Wrong.
Ger Toshav is a gentile/Noachide who lives in Israel and follows only the 7 laws of Noach.
Ger Toshav is not a Ger Tzedek.
Our origin and history exactly is what I am referring to in defining our ethnicity.
Jewish as a derivative of Judean has evolved to apply to all the tribes being that Judah is the head of all the tribes.
Surely we descend from one family, however, we have become so diverse because those from other families have joined us. Yes, we have a common national character, and those who forget what that character is have grandkids who attend chirches.
Better reread your Haggadah, instead of the books of new historians who seem to be so confused by the amplitude of information they are not capable of sorting out that they are coming up with rediculous conclusions just to get their name onto some periodical to make sure history remembers how intelligent they were...
Since I believe that people are not evil by design, I attribute your views as just mistaken, and expect the same comradship from you.
From these words of yours someone might think that everyday millions of gentiles are joining us.
Very very very few gentiles joined us over the years.
Very very few.
Right, Ger Toshav a stranger among us, is not Ger Tzedek a righteous stranger. 7 Noahide Laws are an overgeneralization of what Gentiles should practice as Gentiles. In practice it is many of positive, and some of negative Commandments Just like for Jews 10 Commandments have their importance from the revalation at Mount Sinai, not that there are just 10 Commandments, or that they are more important then others....
For the rest, I hope it makes you feel good.
I attribute your views to intensional malice, as you try to denigrate our history, and bring up assorted falsehoods, like claiming that Abraham was a convert, and others. Every ethno-national entity has some people who came from the outside of its extended family tree. Jews are no different. That doesn't mean that some loon that decided to convert to Judaism becomes a Jew (and most of these people are outright loons, who are not accepted in the general population or among their own group, so they are converting to be accepted in another). These people are not of our stock, they don't share our history, and they can't possibly share our culture and our values. Surely, their children or grandchildren may, but even that rarely happens.
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