Is being jewish a race?

[#13]

From these words of yours someone might think that everyday millions of gentiles are joining us.

Very very very few gentiles joined us over the years.

Very very few.

Even if it was few that would disqualify us as a race, or may be could qualify us a close race.

However, during our encounters with the Greeks legions have joinedus. During the times of the Romans the Senate was plagued by converts and Jew lovers, called Metuentes, latin for (G-d)Fearing. Capital punishment for conversion or connections to Jews was a most popular capital crime... Eventually, the Emire fell soon adopting an idolotrous version of Judaism...

I have lived or visited many places in the world and have seen converts everywhere...

History says as much, and according to some views in Judaism, secifically Kabbalah based ones, the exiles are meant just for that, collecting those who want to join us worldwide...

Shavua Tov!

[KettleWhistle]

Right, Ger Toshav a stranger among us, is not Ger Tzedek a righteous stranger. 7 Noahide Laws are an overgeneralization of what Gentiles should practice as Gentiles. In practice it is many of positive, and some of negative Commandments Just like for Jews 10 Commandments have their importance from the revalation at Mount Sinai, not that there are just 10 Commandments, or that they are more important then others....

That's just your opinion, nothing more.

[#13]

I attribute your views to intensional malice, as you try to denigrate our history, and bring up assorted falsehoods, like claiming that Abraham was a convert, and others. Every ethno-national entity has some people who came from the outside of its extended family tree. Jews are no different. That doesn't mean that some loon that decided to convert to Judaism becomes a Jew (and most of these people are outright loons, who are not accepted in the general population or among their own group, so they are converting to be accepted in another). These people are not of our stock, they don't share our history, and they can't possibly share our culture and our values. Surely, their children or grandchildren may, but even that rarely happens.

Surely, Avraham was a convert, the first convert. His parents were not Jewish in any way.

Concerning your views of convert being loons. In my experience, they have been people from all walk of life. The two I am familiar with now that want to convert are both professors, one philosophy, the other economics. The latter famous throughout Italy...

Anyway, some of the greatest contributions to Jews have come from converts/Ger Tzedek or their descendents, like David, Rabbi Akiva, Onkelos to name a few, but the more I read about family trees of the Jewish greats the more converted ancestors like emperors, nobles, and scholars come up.

You are not a historian. Your primary objective seems to be divesting Jews of Judaism to justify your own state. It is unfortunate that noone led you to find your own Torah within our tradition, but worry not, it is there, waiting just for you forever.

For now, try learning a little history from some authoritative sources.

Good Luck!

[#13]

That's just your opinion, nothing more.

I really feel like the ice is breaking. Global Warming?

[KettleWhistle]

Surely, Avraham was a convert, the first convert. His parents were not Jewish in any way.

Abraham did not convert to anything. He was the patriarch of people who later became Jews.

I really feel like the ice is breaking. Global Warming?

Don't worry, I never expected a serious reply from you. (Bet more empty riddles would've followed if I didn't make this note in parenthesis.)

[#13]

Avraham entered into the first Covenant with G-d concerning himself and his seed forever. Converts are said to be entering that same Covenant...

I assure you, no riddles are intended. Consider that you my just be misunderstanding my humour, or have a lack of introspection or just coprehension. Happens to Jews too, you know?

[KettleWhistle]

Avraham entered into the first Covenant with G-d concerning himself and his seed forever. Converts are said to be entering that same Covenant...

"Are said to be" is correct. They are not entering the same covenant, and they are not Abraham's seed.

[The Israeli Guy]

Abraham did not convert to anything. He was the patriarch of people who later became Jews.

Spot on!

Don't worry, I never expected a serious reply from you.

Neither do I.

[#13]

In fact they are entering the same Covenant and more. They are also entering the Covenants accepted by our nation under Moshe, and are the same as any other Jew for all matters.

Anyway, the two of you should get a room instead of speaking to me with all your expectations and all. I hear you guys are organizing another parade...

Just kidding of course...

[barbarany_9]

That doesn't mean that some loon that decided to convert to Judaism becomes a Jew (and most of these people are outright loons, who are not accepted in the general population or among their own group, so they are converting to be accepted in another). These people are not of our stock, they don't share our history, and they can't possibly share our culture and our values.

Gee thanks.

[KettleWhistle]

In fact they are entering the same Covenant and more. They are also entering the Covenants accepted by our nation under Moshe, and are the same as any other Jew for all matters.

Anyway, the two of you should get a room instead of speaking to me with all your expectations and all. I hear you guys are organizing another parade...

Just kidding of course...

Wow, a gay joke. How witty you are!

And still no proof or support for your empty proclamations about the converts. Don't worry, we didn't expect much from you to begin with.

[#13]

I am busy with a Jewish national ethnic holiday preparation now.

Hope you understand...

I could get you sources, but you have already denied Jewish scholarship and tradition so what would be a good source for you?

Try wikipedia if you really want to know...

I will too when I have more time.

Happy Pesach!

[Mediocrates]

Gee thanks.

Don't sweat it. He's the evil son.

[KettleWhistle]

Don't sweat it. He's the evil son.

No, I'm not the "evil son." I am just being honest in exposing fraudulent Jews. I wouldn't become Armenian if I were to join the Armenian Church, or a Russian if I were to convert to Russian Orthodoxy. Neither would somebody who's not a Jew become one upon conversion. The true evil are the attempts to fabricate something to the contrary. These attempts undermine the history, culture, and unity of the Jewish people by trying to put a hollow religion in place of the above.

[bararallu]

These attempts undermine the history, culture, and unity of the Jewish people by trying to put a hollow religion in place of the above.

Amen to that! Following some of the posts from the ultra orthodox here seems to me they are the sons that do not how to ask, probably because their belief system precludes them from seeing the obvious or more on point: the factual. Instead they relegate to circular and emotional "reasoning" to make their case.

Still, I do not agree with you regarding your (example) status as a Jew once you renounce connection to the Jewish people, aka convert to something like Russian Orthodoxy. Otherwise, we have to admit that at least a 1/4 of all people in Spain and Portugal today are actually Jews, since their ancestors converted (forcefully and not) and have not rejoined Am Israel since then. Do you consider these people, as is, Jews? if our gene pools are hypothetically identical? Was Torquemada a Jew because he had an converso Jewish mother?

It takes both the hardware and software to make a computer, something comparable can be said to make a Jew.