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    Norman Finkelstein's tenure

    So Norman Finkelstein, author of "The Holocaust Industry" was denied tenure at DePaul University, and the usual suspects on the Left are doing their typical ranting. The main reason DePaul refused his tenure was his tendency to resort to character assassinations. An online petition floating around has 3,000 whole signatures claiming this is an attempt to blackball him for anti-Zionist views. Since today is Holocaust remembrance day, I thought it was fitting to discuss this particular phenomenon, and discuss ways to conclusively prove to college kids, and Leftists why Finkelstein's premise of a Holocaust Industry is antisemitic, and a form of Holocaust denial in itself. His greatest critic, Alan Dershowitz, has lost a lot of credibility with his back and forth over the years, and his list of damning Finkelstein quotations just isn't well sourced at all. (http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/art...hp?pg=11&ar=12) I think it's important that we make an effort to answer Finkelstein, and convey just why he is indeed an anti-semite.

    Here is a link to an excerpt of his Holocaust Industry book. I know most reading this will catch that it's all anecdotal, unsourced, and poor in scholarship... but he tells people what they want to hear about the money grubbing Jews, so people believe it. Not only that, people have described this as model scholarship, and called Finkelstein brave for writing it....



    ollowing are excerpts from The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering, by Norman Finkelstein:

    I do not remember the Nazi Holocaust ever intruding on my childhood. I do not recall a single friend (or parent of a friend) asking a single question about what my mother and father endured. This was not a respectful silence. It was indifference. In this light, one cannot but be sceptical of the outpourings of anguish in later decades, after the Holocaust industry was firmly established.

    I sometimes think that American Jewry "discovering" the Nazi Holocaust was worse than its having been forgotten. True, my parents brooded in private; the suffering they endured was not publicly validated. But wasn't that better than the current crass exploitation of Jewish martyrdom? Before the Nazi Holocaust became the Holocaust, only a few scholarly studies (by Raul Hilberg, Viktor Frankl and Ella Lingens-Reiner) were published on the subject. But this small collection of gems is better than the shelves upon shelves of shlock that now line libraries and bookstores.

    As the rendering of the Holocaust assumed ever more absurd forms, my mother liked to quote (with intentional irony) Henry Ford: "History is bunk". The tales of "Holocaust survivors"--all concentration camp inmates, all heroes of the resistance--were a special source of wry amusement in my home. My parents often wondered why I would grow so indignant at the falsification and exploitation of the Nazi genocide. The most obvious answer is that it has been used to justify criminal policies of the Israeli state and US support for these policies. There is a personal motive as well. I do care about the memory of my family's persecution. The current campaign of the Holocaust industry to extort money from Europe in the name of "needy Holocaust victims" has shrunk the moral stature of their martyrdom to that of a Monte Carlo casino.

    The term "Holocaust survivor" originally designated those who suffered the unique trauma of the Jewish ghettos, concentration camps and slave labour camps, often in sequence. The figure for these Holocaust survivors at war's end is generally put at some 100,000. The number of living survivors cannot be more than a quarter of this figure now. Because enduring the camps became a crown of martyrdom, many Jews who spent the war elsewhere represented themselves as camp survivors. Another strong motive behind this misrepresentation, however, was material. The postwar German government provided compensation to Jews who had been in ghettos or camps. Many Jews fabricated their pasts to meet this eligibility requirement. "If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one," my mother used to exclaim, "who did Hitler kill?"

    The Holocaust industry forced Switzerland into a settlement because time was allegedly of the essence: "Needy Holocaust survivors are dying every day." Once the Swiss signed away the money, however, the urgency miraculously passed. More than a year after the settlement was reached there was still no distribution plan. By the time the money is finally divvied out, all the "needy Holocaust survivors" will probably be dead. In fact, by last December, less than half of the $200 million "Special Fund for Needy Victims of the Holocaust," established in February 1997, had been distributed to actual victims. After lawyers' fees have been paid, the Swiss monies will then flow into the coffers of "worthy" Jewish organisations.

    The Holocaust industry has always been bankrupt. What remains is to openly declare it so. The time is long past to put it out of business. The noblest gesture for those who perished is to preserve their memory, learn from their suffering and let them, finally, rest in peace.
    http://www.issues-views.com/index.ph...0/article/2002

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    Most of the non-Dershowitz rebutals rehash pretty much the same responses, but this one is pretty good:

    The Finkelstein Phenomenon: Reflections on the Exploitation of Anti-Jewish Bigotry - The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering - Book Review
    Judaism, Fall, 2002 by Paul Bogdanor
    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...1/ai_106730963

    Norman G. Finkelstein has emerged as the most popular Jew in the history of antisemitism. Celebrated by neo-Nazi groups all over the world and a bestselling author in Germany, Finkelstein has publicly announced his discovery that the field of "Holocaust studies" is "mainly a propaganda enterprise," so that "'The Holocaust' is in effect the Zionist account of the Nazi holocaust." (1) Such revelations should come as no surprise when uttered by the favorite disciple of Noam Chomsky, whose central contribution to the study of Nazism has been the assurance--offered while defending the French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson--that there are "no antisemitic implications in denial of the existence of gas chambers."

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    I'd say this explains a few things:
    Quote Originally Posted by Finkelstein
    "If everyone who claims to be a survivor actually is one," my mother used to exclaim, "who did Hitler kill?"
    Quite frankly, I'm not somebody with a thin skin regarding the Holocaust issue, but this is the most disgusting thing I've heard on the issue. How something like that could come from a Jewish person is truly beyond comprehension.

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    1 million children.

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    I agree, with you Kettle... and here is how he substantiates it:

    The figure for these Holocaust survivors at war's end is generally put at some 100,000. The number of living survivors cannot be more than a quarter of this figure now.
    So once again he falls back on denial of a different sort, claiming Jews distort Holocaust numbers for personal gain. That's enough for his audience.

    Then there's this doozy:
    "I am not exaggerating when I say that one out of three Jews you stop in the street in New York will claim to be a survivor." Sunday Times of London, June 11, 2000
    If that quote is accurate (and short of a library visit, I can't find anything confirming or denying it) that should be enough for any random college kid to grasp what makes this guy such a crazed anti-semite... but it's not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    1 million children.
    Even David Irving has come around to admit 5+ million Jews died.
    This is the next phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kettlewhistle
    Quite frankly, I'm not somebody with a thin skin regarding the Holocaust issue, but this is the most disgusting thing I've heard on the issue. How something like that could come from a Jewish person is truly beyond comprehension.
    Easy! The book review below should give us a clue. This Norman Finkelnstein guy is obviously part of that 4% of the population (I've actually read somewhere that it could even be as high as 5%, scary stuff ) And not all of these sociopaths are serial killers either. They are just predatory and many of them wrestle their way all the way to the top of the corporate ladder because they are ruthless, they know what they want and they have no regard for consequences to anyone else other than themselves.

    So, back to this Fink guy: What's in it for him? The results answer themselves, his book hit the bestseller list and that means lots of moolah for him. That's all he is interested in, the good life ...... the rest of his people? Well, he doesn't care, why would a sociopath care about anyone else?!
    Editorial Reviews

    We are accustomed to think of sociopaths as violent criminals, but in The Sociopath Next Door, Harvard psychologist Martha Stout reveals that a shocking 4 percent of ordinary people—one in twenty-five—has an often undetected mental disorder, the chief symptom of which is that that person possesses no conscience. He or she has no ability whatsoever to feel shame, guilt, or remorse. One in twenty-five everyday Americans, therefore, is secretly a sociopath. They could be your colleague, your neighbor, even family. And they can do literally anything at all and feel absolutely no guilt.
    The Sociopath Next Door
    Idealism increases in direct proportion to one's distance from the problem.
    Author: John Galsworthy 1867-1933, British Novelist, Playwright

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    I've read that book. It's rather short and quick read. I'd quibble with the numbers though. 4% seems low. I'd have to say one in 11. After all a sociopath is a just a psychotic who's come to terms with their rage. Did you ever see the movie "Monster" where the killer's girlfriend is screaming at her, reminding her 'you can't go around killing people' and her response is "Why not?"

    Indeed, why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mediocrates View Post
    1 million children.
    If I recall correctly, the number is estimated to be 1,500,000.

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