What do you think is the next best religion out there besides the one you have?

[Agnosthiest]

What do you think is the next best religion out there besides the one you have?

1. Please specify your current religion/ belief system.

2. Specify the next best religion/philosophy in your opinion.





Me:

My religion/philosophy: Theistic Agnostic.

The next best religion in my opinion: Christianity.

Why? The way I see it the achievements that occured within its domination speak of a great balance of optimism, hard work, open mindedness, offense, defense, ethics & spirituality. Even though it had its fair share of major faults and atrocities.

[Yala]

Religion: Judaism

Next Best: Hindusim

Reason: Peaceful religion that is very philosophical and analytical (like Judiasm).

[Justcurious]

The next best religion may also depend on your purposes. For instance, those interested in physical exercise can hardly find anything better than Islam with their countless bows, even though Judaism and Christianity do fairly well also.

[Vitnir]

Religion: Not sure.

Other religion: Can't make up my mind. I share great respect to Norse Paganism, as well as Celtic, but I simply cannot ignore the "Baha", and not just for their pretty gardens. All the religions I mentioned are tolerant and respective of others, but Baha is also against chauvinism and unhealthy lifestyle.

[andak01]

I'd have to vote for Judaism. Given the beliefs I have today, if there was no Islam, I would in fact be Jewish and would take the necessary steps to convert. Why I say that:

- We worship one undivided God, no part of which is a man.
- We believe in much the same line of Prophets and in the devine origin of Scriptures.
- We believe that messengers revealed the scriptures
- We believe in a restricted diet as part of our rememberence of God and our general sanitary existence
- We believe in modesty of dress
- We believe in the concept of good deeds (mizvot/hassanat)
- We believe in the sin of ascribing partners to God (1st Commandment/shirk)
- We believe in the value of study
- We believe in the value of learning scripture in the original language

and much more than that.

[The Israeli Guy]

What do you think is the next best religion out there besides the one you have?

1. Please specify your current religion/ belief system.

2. Specify the next best religion/philosophy in your opinion.





Me:

My religion/philosophy: Theistic Agnostic.

The next best religion in my opinion: Christianity.

Why? The way I see it the achievements that occured within its domination speak of a great balance of optimism, hard work, open mindedness, offense, defense, ethics & spirituality. Even though it had its fair share of major faults and atrocities.

Is the fact that you were born to your specific parents is a religion? No, it's a fact.

Religions are based upon faith with no proofs, Judaism is not a faith of believing, it's knowing!

Judaism is not a religion. Judaism is fact. Religions are things which were invented by the own imagination of peope, and there is no proof for their inventions.

3 millions of the children of Israel were taken out of slavery in Egypt and witnessed the revelation in mount Sinai in which G-d talked to his people. It's written in that juridical document that also Noach and his family were witnessed to the revelation of the rainbow, after the big flood, in which he gave them the 7 laws of Noach.

Christianity, Islam, Budahism, etc etc, are religions which were invented by humans, and they are wrong.

Judaism is not a religion, Judaism is a nationality, you are born Jewish, you are Jewish if your mother is.

Nobody is being born as a Christian or as a Muslim, people are being raised as Christians and as Muslims, and there are of them who reutned to follow the 7 laws of the gentiles, like the Arab citizen of Abu Gosh, who declared that he is going to follow the 7 laws of Noach:

Jaber spoke at the event, at which some 20,000 Chabad hassidim were present, and promised to undertake the 'Seven Commandments of the Descendants of Noah' (a non-Jew who undertakes them is considered a 'hassid of the world' and guaranteed a place in heaven). Full article inside

On Monday afternoon a delegation of rabbis from the Chabad Movement, organized by the headquarters for spreading the seven Noachide Laws, visited Shafaram. The visited was initiated by Naziya Abdullah, an energetic activist against the Gaza Expulsion. His son, Timor, sat IDF prison for 35 days because he did not want to participate in expelling Jews from their land. Full article inside

And like former Christian, and now a Noachide, Jim Long.

All the gentiles who were being raised as Christians and as Muslims, will return in the future to follow the 7 laws of Noach, like Jeremiah is saying:

"O Lord ... to You nations will come from the ends of the earth and say,
"Only lies have our fathers handed down to us, emptiness in which there is nothing of any avail."

Pay attention, religions don't have rights to lands, but only nationalities, all the countries in the world are named after the descendants of Noach.

[andak01]

Is the fact that you were born to your specific parents is a religion? No, it's a fact.

Religions are based upon faith with no proofs, Judaism is not a faith of believing, it's knowing!

That's pretty close to proselytizing. I feel the same about my own religion, as I'm sure our Christian and Buddhist posters do.

[andak01]

I'm interested in how much what you worship versus how you worship influences your decision. For a Muslim to convert to Judaism does not change what we worship. For a Jew to convert to Christianity does. Even if nobody here wishes to admit that G_D and Allah are the same, there is a fundamental difference between G_D and a trinity which includes Jesus. Any Jew saying that they would take up Christianity over Islam in the hypothetical absence of Judaism is stating that it doesn't matter what they worship, but how they worship.

[The Israeli Guy]

For a Muslim to convert to Judaism does not change what we worship. For a Jew to convert to Christianity does.

Jew can't convert, it's called evading. It's like your child abandon the knowing that you are his real father and will join to a religion which believes that your neigbour or an alien is his real father.

Muslim doesn't convert to Judaism, Muslims do not exist, what you have is gentile (Arabs etc) who been raised as Muslims. The word in Hebrew is Giur, not convertion, Giur is from the word Ger - Gentile/people who are not Jews. A gentile who been rasied as Muslim and he wants to join the Jewis nation, he is called Ger/Ger Tzedek, or Gioret for a woman. He is not a Jew cause his mothet ain't.

Even if nobody here wishes to admit that G_D and Allah are the same

They are not the same cause G-d didn't give the commandments that the Muslims are saying as if he gave (Ramadan etc), G-d gave 7 laws to the gentiles.

The Muslims invented to themselves a G-d that as if he gave them new laws.

[Mediocrates]

These are the approved symbols for the Department of Veteran Affairs.

http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp

I've got the say the Lithium atom for atheism has got me stumped.

[The Israeli Guy]

That's pretty close to proselytizing.

No.

I feel the same about my own religion, as I'm sure our Christian and Buddhist posters do.

You can feel what you want, you can even feel that 2+2=5, in the same way that criminals feel that they have rights to do wrong things, it doesn't matter what you feel.

G-d gave his laws in publicly, infront of many people, this is how it was in the revelation after the big flood and in the revelation in mount Horeb.

Christianity and Islam etc are based upon invented beliefs, upon incidents that nobody was witnessed to them, and in the complete opposite to the real words of G-d that there will be no new revelation with new laws, and upon distorting the Torah, which is the only juridical document that a whole nation recieved it.

[The Israeli Guy]

These are the approved symbols for the Department of Veteran Affairs.

http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/hm/hmemb.asp

I've got the say the Lithium atom for atheism has got me stumped.

Star of David is not the symbol of Judaism.

Shield of David is.

[andak01]

Christianity and Islam etc are based upon invented beliefs, upon incidents that nobody was witnessed to them, and in the complete opposite to the real words of G-d that there will be no new revelation with new laws, and upon distorting the Torah, which is the only juridical document that a whole nation recieved it.

That's a little irony for you. One of the most offensive portions of the Quran according to Jews and Christians is where Allah proclaims that the Torah and New Testament are distorted. However, that's exactly what you've just said about my scripture. I can live with you saying that, but don't be offended if I say it right back at you as our beliefs are different. What we both agree upon is that the Torah was revealed by God. Interestingly, this same God that you claim is different is the Allah of the Quran that says He created the earth and heavens and revealed the Torah and brought the law to Moses.

[The Israeli Guy]

That's a little irony for you. One of the most offensive portions of the Quran according to Jews and Christians is where Allah proclaims that the Torah and New Testament are distorted. However, that's exactly what you've just said about my scripture. I can live with you saying that, but don't be offended if I say it right back at you as our beliefs are different. What we both agree upon is that the Torah was revealed by God. Interestingly, this same God that you claim is different is the Allah of the Quran that says He created the earth and heavens and revealed the Torah and brought the law to Moses.

Again you chosed to ran away from the elements that I showed in my former posts in this thread regarding Christianity and Islam.

Now I'm gonna write down a book which says that you owe me 1000$ despite the fact that we never meet, happy now?

To summarize the thead: the books of Christianity and Islam were written by people we don't know who they were and upon what narcotic they were when they wrote it, these books of them are no holy books given by G-d, in the opposite to the Torah which was given to a whole nation.

Gentiles (like you) should follow the covenant of Noach aka the 7 laws of Noach, there are couple who started to practice these laws, and some will do it in the future.

And I even didn't mention the fact that G-d commanded not to change even one word in the Torah, not to add and not to reduce it.

I expressed my views couple of times in this thread and have nothing new to add.

[andak01]

And I even didn't mention the fact that G-d commanded not to change even one word in the Torah, not to add and not to reduce it.

I expressed my views couple of times in this thread and have nothing new to add.

OK. I'm glad you're through. Next time a Christian proselytizer comes to tell us of the perfection and superiority of his own religion, I'll give him as much leeway as you were allowed here. And nobody had better PM me to complain.

The Rules of the Road cause us all to bear a little discomfort so that none of us will be very uncomfortable.