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    CAIR, et al, in trouble again

    Islamic Groups Named in Hamas Funding Case

    BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
    June 4, 2007
    URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/55778

    Federal prosecutors have named three prominent Islamic organizations in America as participants in an alleged criminal conspiracy to support a Palestinian Arab terrorist group, Hamas.

    Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.

    Prosecutors applied the label of "unindicted co-conspirator" to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, and the North American Islamic Trust in connection with a trial planned in Texas next month for five officials of a defunct charity, the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development.

    While the foundation was charged in the case, which was filed in 2004, none of the other groups was. However, the co-conspirator designation could be a blow to the credibility of the national Islamic organizations, which often work hand-in-hand with government officials engaged in outreach to the Muslim community.

    A court filing by the government last week listed the three prominent groups among about 300 individuals or entities named as co-conspirators. The document gave scant details, but prosecutors described CAIR as a present or past member of "the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood's Palestine Committee and/or its organizations." The government listed the Islamic Society of North America and the North American Islamic Trust as "entities who are and/or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood."

    The secretary-general of the Islamic Society of North America, Muneer Fareed, said his group was surprised to be named in the Texas case. "I can tell you categorically that the current administration of ISNA, as well as its stakeholders, they have no connection to my knowledge with any Holy Land foundations," he said.

    Mr. Fareed denied his group has any ties to Hamas, though he said it is difficult to police all 300 mosques under his umbrella. "We might have a kid whose dad was president of Hamas for all I know," he said. "How do you verify these things?"

    The Islamic official expressed frustration at the lack of detail in the prosecution's filing. "Perhaps there's some evidence. I just don't really know what it is," he said.

    Spokesmen for CAIR did not respond to messages seeking comment yesterday. Efforts to contact the North American Islamic Trust were unsuccessful.

    The identification of the alleged co-conspirators could aid prosecutors when the Holy Land Foundation and five of its officials, Shukri Abu-Baker, Mohammad El-Mezain, Ghassan Elashi, Mufid Abdulqader, and Abdulraham Odeh, go to trial on July 16 in Dallas. Statements by and about co-conspirators are exempt from rules barring hearsay.

    Judge A. Joe Fish will have to decide whether to accept the government's description of the alleged conspiracy.

    The practice of publicly naming unindicted co-conspirators is frowned on by some in the legal community, chiefly because there is no trial or other mechanism for those named to challenge their designation. Justice Department guidelines discourage the public identification of unindicted co-conspirators by the government.

    "In all public filings and proceedings, federal prosecutors should remain sensitive to the privacy and reputation interests of uncharged third-parties," the Justice Department's manual for prosecutors says. When co-conspirator lists have to be filed in court, prosecutors should seek to file them under seal, the guidelines say.

    In practice, the lists are often made public. A list of co-conspirators was released in connection with the federal trial in 2005 of a former college professor, Sami Al-Arian, on terrorism support charges. However, when Enron executives went on trial last year, the list of alleged co-conspirators was kept under seal. Prosecutors on the Holy Land Foundation case could not be reached yesterday and did not respond to an e-mail.

    The inclusion of the Islamic groups on the list of alleged conspirators could give ammunition to critics of the organizations. CAIR, in particular, has faced persistent claims that it is soft on terrorism. Critics note that several former CAIR officials have been convicted or deported after being charged with fraud, embargo violations, or aiding terrorist training. Spokesmen for the group have also raised eyebrows for offering generic denunciations of terrorism but refusing to condemn by name specific Islamic terrorist groups such as Hamas or Hezbollah.

    In addition, one of the Holy Land Foundation defendants, Ghassan Elashi, founded CAIR's Texas chapter. CAIR's Washington office was also set up in 1994 with $5,000 in seed money from the foundation, according to congressional testimony by a researcher into Islamic extremism, Steven Emerson.

    Last year, Senator Boxer of California, a Democrat, withdrew an award she gave to an official at a local CAIR chapter. She said she had concerns about statements by some CAIR officials and about claims of financial links to terrorism. Many FBI officials meet regularly with CAIR representatives and clerics from the Islamic Society of North America.

    A New York Times article published in March said unidentified government officials believed that the criticism of CAIR was unwarranted. A former FBI official, Michael Rolince, said yesterday that the co-conspirator designation might prompt CAIR to be more direct in denouncing terrorism but was no reason to cut off all contact with the group.

    "People could say the same thing about the FBI. They're not all choirboys," he said. "We don't go into this with blinders on."

    Separately, a reporter for the Dallas Morning News, Steve McGonigle, is fighting the prosecution's efforts to call him as a witness at the Holy Land Foundation trial.

    In filing to quash the subpoena last week, Mr. McGonigle said prosecutors want to question him about an interview that he conducted in 1999 with the spiritual leader of Hamas, Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Yassin, who was killed in an Israeli airstrike in 2004, denied any connection between Holy Land Foundation and Hamas.

    However, Mr. McGonigle reported that records showed that the foundation sometimes singled out the families of Hamas "martyrs" for assistance.

    Mr. McGonigle's lawyer said his client could be targeted by terrorists if he forced to testify. "A journalist who is perceived to have acted as an agent for the U.S. Government will almost inevitably be placed at a substantially greater risk when on assignment in the Middle East," the attorney, Paul Watler, wrote.

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    in·dict
    –verb (used with object) 1.(of a grand jury) to bring a formal accusation against, as a means of bringing to trial: The grand jury indicted him for murder. 2.to charge with an offense or crime; accuse of wrongdoing; castigate; criticize: He tends to indict everyone of plotting against him.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indict

    So what is an unindicted co-conspirator? ANYONE! The government doesn't have to present any evidence whatsoever in order to apply this appelation. There is no burden of proof at all, since no formal accusation or charge is required.

    What is the sentence for being an unindicted co-conspirator? There can't be any formal sentence because there isn't any formal charge! However, in practical terms, it can create hateful rumor mongering and ruin one's reputation or be an obstacle to fundraising and membership efforts.

    The real effect of this is probably going to be that Muslim charity efforts in America will go underground. We have a religious duty to give to charity and that will continue. But if the government puts fear into our hearts that openly donating to any charity could lead to arrest, then it's more likely that the money will pass from hand to hand unregulated.

    The problem with the government's approach isn't that it clears away terrorist support. That's obviously a benefit. But going after people who gave to a particular charity before it was named on a list means that anyone can be called up at a later date for giving to any charity. In fact, it's possible that the government could name a charity to the list in order to snare people who donated to it. Since they don't seem to have any burden of proof, they could destroy anyone it pleases them to destroy.

    What would be more responsible is for the government to strictly monitor these charities and to allow a sort of certification process whereby a charity can be designated safe. That way, Muslims wishing to give without risk could donate to the designated charities without fear. Also, charities that were listed as dubious one year could reapply for certification the next year. If only certain members are involved in something criminal and they rid themselves of those members and those connections, there should not be a continued, permanent stigma.

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    1. Are you arguing with me or the writer of the article? We are not the same person FWIW.

    2. Are you saying CAIR does not and has not had any ties to what the US state department deems "terrorist organizations"?

    3. Are you a member of CAIR by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bararallu View Post
    3. Are you a member of CAIR by any chance?

    I would be surprised if he was not. Andak's talk is exactly the kind of filth that emanates from the likes of CAIR. Appearing to be a moderate in public claiming islam to be a religion of peace (dang, wish we had an icon for puke) while in private supporting terror all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bararallu View Post
    1. Are you arguing with me or the writer of the article? We are not the same person FWIW.

    2. Are you saying CAIR does not and has not had any ties to what the US state department deems "terrorist organizations"?

    3. Are you a member of CAIR by any chance?
    I'm not a member and probably won't be due to their politics. However, excuse me for stating the obvious. If they are so involved in terrorism and the government and you and everyone else is aware of it, why haven't they been shut down??? BECAUSE THERE IS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO FORCE AN INDICTMENT!!! And the day they are shut down, I'll be convinced, as I was with the Holyland Foundation. Until then, it's just speculation.

    They've had the same number of members convicted of terrorism charges as the JDL (2). In the one case, those convicted were both deported, and the charge was one of funding, not actively planning or participating in terrorism. Rubin and Kugel were convicted of actively plotting against a mosque and a government official.

    Convicted of Conspiracy to Bomb a Mosque and the office of a US Congressman
    1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Krugel
    2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Rubin


    1) Ghassan Halashi - board member convicted of funding Hamas
    2) Bassem Khafagi - member deported on bank fraud charges
    Randall "Ismail" Royer was a former member convicted of terrorism charges, was not a member at the time of his arrest

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    Quote Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
    I'm not a member and probably won't be due to their politics.
    Didn't you used to be a member?
    "It is cheap to attack Israel. I am certainly not going to make a cheap attack on Israel by howling in the woods with the rest of the wolves." - Geert Wilders

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    Quote Originally Posted by andak01 View Post
    I'm not a member and probably won't be due to their politics. However, excuse me for stating the obvious. If they are so involved in terrorism and the government and you and everyone else is aware of it, why haven't they been shut down???
    Oh I dont know, perhaps because it's such a great barrel of fish for the FBI/NSA?

    1) Ghassan Halashi - board member convicted of funding Hamas
    2) Bassem Khafagi - member deported on bank fraud charges
    Randall "Ismail" Royer was a former member convicted of terrorism charges, was not a member at the time of his arrest
    Do you believe these will be the last convictions associated with CAIR? Even this year?

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