The Video of Stoning: 17 year old Kurdish girl stoned to death in Kurdistan of Iraq

[Yala]

As I say, it doesn't matter that this girl was killed for consorting WITH a Muslim, that this was an anti-Muslim hate crime of the most brutal variety. That simply doesn't matter on this forum.



So, not only does the girl get beaten to death for daring to want to marry a Muslim, in what can only be described as an honor killing, but Islam gets blamed as the cause by a crowd here that is only a heartbeat away from justifying public beatings for any Muslim.

This is IsraelForum, I didn't miss the point! It wasn't a stoning either, it was a public beating where the murder weapon was a huge rock. Who cares to quibble about details? That takes away from the propaganda value. Kurds good, Muslims bad, remember?
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You really are the most ignorant person on here. The only people who commented on this story having anything to do with Muslims is Parsi, who is a former Muslim who lived in a Muslim country! Besides that the article was posted by Elin, another Muslim who lives in Turkey. I just went through all the posts, who else on this thread said anything negative about Muslims???

You, on the other hand just had to post something negative about Zoroastrians, who as far as I know are not bothering anyone but are discriminated against in their own country!

[Elin]

Tribal court is tribal court,its not about religion, people let's please dont continue on this.

Cheers.

[Parsi]

Although honour killing is not specifically and Islamic teaching, it's hard for me not to consider it as a by-product of Islam's tradition (as taught by the prophet).

I believe there is only one solution to stopping such acts. If the famous Muslim leaders ban stoning (make it "haram") categorically then there is a chance. One might say this is a bit idealistic as how can anyone make the prophet's tradition "haram"?

[andak01]

You really are the most ignorant person on here. The only people who commented on this story having anything to do with Muslims is Parsi, who is a former Muslim who lived in a Muslim country! Besides that the article was posted by Elin, another Muslim who lives in Turkey. I just went through all the posts, who else on this thread said anything negative about Muslims???

Well you certainly didn't. If I am the most ignorant person on here, it's quite an achievement. I must have gotten to a Buddhist level of mind emptying!

You, on the other hand just had to post something negative about Zoroastrians, who as far as I know are not bothering anyone but are discriminated against in their own country!

You're saying that throwing corpses to vultures is a negative? You anti-vultite!

Seriously, Parsi just hit my last nerve. I'm anticipating that there nerve is about to be hit again.

[andak01]

Let's raise the bar a bit. I'll start a thread about Yazidis over in the religion forum, the religion of the people that stoned the girl. And we'll try not to judge all the Yazidis based on that video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yezidi

[andak01]

I believe there is only one solution to stopping such acts. If the famous Muslim leaders ban stoning (make it "haram") categorically then there is a chance. One might say this is a bit idealistic as how can anyone make the prophet's tradition "haram"?

You don't have to make it haram to make it unpracticable. It's easy enough to make the requirements for proof or the conditions for punishment so unlikely as to almost never be possible. That's the way they stand today, but I see the emphasis is on the punishment rather than on the proof. Put the emphasis on the proof rather than the punishment and you wouldn't see one stoning in a half a millineum in a Sharia state.

[Vitnir]

^^^ Problem is, in Islamic law it's all "Guilty until found innocent" and we all know how easy that is to prove. All these pseudo-courts have interest in finding people guilty, usually the weak and defenseless. Their interest must be sheer blood lust.

Barbaric and uncivilized.

And brutal, inhumane and dumb. This is what happens when you choose to shut yourself out on western civilization. Heck, 2000 years ago Europeans might have done it themselves, but westerners have evolved while these folks only seem to go backwards and insisting on it so badly.
A caveman with a cellphone is still a caveman.

[bararallu]

And brutal, inhumane and dumb. This is what happens when you choose to shut yourself out on western civilization. Heck, 2000 years ago Europeans might have done it themselves,

LoL, try 60 or 70.

[andak01]

^^^ Problem is, in Islamic law it's all "Guilty until found innocent" and we all know how easy that is to prove. All these pseudo-courts have interest in finding people guilty, usually the weak and defenseless. Their interest must be sheer blood lust.

I agree that is the problem with Islamic courts, not Islamic law. Many of the people punished with extreme punishments would not be if the letter of Sharia law was actually applied. I have yet to find a single case of someone sentenced to be stoned where the requisite witnesses were found, and I have almost never seen men or the wealthy punished anywhere near as severely as women and the impoverished. I would say then that the motive is not blood lust, but political terrorism. It certainly isn't Sharia itself. And you'd have the same issue if it was a Christian like Savanarola running things as with these Zealots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girolamo_Savonarola

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealots

[#13]

In Judaism, capital punishment is possible in four ways, stoning (dropped of a mountain side first, then stoned..), burning (buried to the neck, then hot lead poured down the throat), choking (hanging, I guess), and sword (from neck to armpit).

In Judaism these punishments are almost impossible to arrive at in a Halacha/Law abiding society. The person would want to die to fullfill all the requirements needed to deserve this punishment. Like the requirement for 2 valid witnesses to warn the criminal of the severity of the act and the punishment it carries. Being that now there is no Sanhedrin/Jewish National Court, capital punishment is altogether inapplicable and Communal Jewish Courts have jurisdiction in civil matters alone for those communities who accept their judgement.

The main idea behind these punishments in Judaism is to emphasize the severity of the transgression, rather then impliment the punishment.

The violence usually attributed to Muslims would more correctly describe the violence within Arab culture, rather then specifically followers of Islam. (In my view...)

[Yala]

The violence usually attributed to Muslims would more correctly describe the violence within Arab culture, rather then specifically followers of Islam. (In my view...)

I agree, but this specific sort of violence has spread to neighboring countries, which are non-Arab (but were invaded by Arabs at some point).

[Justcurious]

I agree, but this specific sort of violence has spread to neighboring countries, which are non-Arab (but were invaded by Arabs at some point).

I tried to think hard in order to find these countries practicing stoning, but it was hard to find any. No doubt, there may have been some (Nigeria?). Can you name a few?

[Vitnir]

LoL, try 60 or 70.

What? Stoning a woman to death, because she chosen someone of another religion (or let's say, nationality or socio-economic class) to marry? And why digging out Nazi Germany just to make something look less bad every time? What's next? Soiling our trousers and saying Hitler did it?

I agree that is the problem with Islamic courts, not Islamic law.

That's interesting... Islamic courts that do not obey Islamic law. What law do they follow then? One given them by Martians?

In Judaism, capital punishment is possible in four ways, stoning (dropped of a mountain side first, then stoned..), burning (buried to the neck, then hot lead poured down the throat), choking (hanging, I guess), and sword (from neck to armpit).

Not even the freakshow of Naturi-Karta does that. We don't even have capital punishment in the Jewish state, just for Nazi war criminals, and even then, Demanjuk was spared (somehow, our court found him not guilty!). Capital punishment is also reserved for traitors, however, I don't recall one traitor in the entire history of this land to be given capital punishment. It's not all trigger-happy here.

[#13]

Dear Vitnir,

Please refer to your local library for information on the Jewish religion, not what you refer to as the Jewish state, which is more like just a state with a Jewish majority.

Judaism has capital punishments described above known to all those who have learnt it seriously. As I already stated, they are not applicable at the time since there is no Sanhedrin, which can only exist and function when the Jewish Nation accepts its governance upon itself. Without such conditions, each small community can elect a Beit Din, Rabbinic Court to handle its civil cases, without the ability of administering any physical or capital punishment.

Good Luck in your studies...

[#13]

Here is a little something not entirely accurate as far as I know, but close enough...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...hment_(Judaism)