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The rage has a lot more to do with their living conditions then anything else. Nothing special for 3rd world countries and un-educated population. But then again blaming Jews is the easiest thing. But surely the ones like Andak are certainly outraged....
Mil - stands for the countless MILlions of reasons not to work.
It's really not all economics. The all economics argument is typically founded in some morose socialists "dialectics" that have no barring on reality. All anti Jewish/Israeli (and etc for the most part) terrorism happens precisely because there are rich [and determined] pro-jihadists. Otherwise you would hear about them as much as you would hear about incidents in the Congo. That is to say, you would not.
The rage specifically happens, one would think, because there is a political mechanism, well organized, and funded, to hyper-react and attempt to gain political ground on established western institutions. In this case, freedom of press. The governments and extra government groups that fund and push Jihadism fully understand that neither the Swedish or Danish governments have any control over their independent press to preclude the publishing anti-religious screeds. They are equally aware that those same governments are quite capable of capitulation. To hear Swedish and Danish officials make remarks on the former without fully taking account of the latter is the more disturbing aspect of this. It would seem they would rather assume ignorance in an act of obvious malice [and manipulation].
No,Indian muslims very fundamental. They are poor . So just keeping mum for the time being.....Originally Posted by bararallu
Lack of education impedes them and I don't mean madrassa education that most pakistanis have.
Isnt there also other factors like:
many of them are Shia, and or Sufi and that India actually watches Saudi etc money coming in, since it's the same money that funds their neighbors? Not all of Indian Muslims are in Jammu and Kashmir right?
Just because they are fundamentalist doesn't necessarily makes them Jihadi, it only makes them programmable. Managing the funding goes a long way.
There should have been some Jewish Rage-directed at the Germans and other Europeans for leading and carrying out the Holocaust and countless other pogroms, the Russians for enforcing a pale of settlment where Jews could and couldn't live(no to mention all the pogroms), the Spanish for expelling all Jews and Muslims, etc etc. The point is that historically, all these injustices were carried out by Europeans, not the Muslim world. As far as the Crusades go, its the same thing-the Europeans came to the Holy Land and killed Jews and Muslims. The Jews and Muslims that were in Palestine at the time actually worked together against the Christian European Crusaders.
The idea that Muslims and Jews have always been diametrically opposed is hogwash. Any Jew or Muslim that believes that they are meant to hate one another based on their religion or history are ignorant or extremist. Perhaps it makes one feel better in hating someone else if one thinks you are supposed to hate them based on relgion and history, but frankly that history is not there. Yes, there was some violence and friction between Muslims and Jews from time to time from the time of Mohammed to 1900 or so, but the main violence and persecution of Jews was done by European, not Muslims or Arabs(By the way Muslim and Arab are not synonomous and Jew and Arab are not mutually exclusive).
Unfortunately Jewish rage was directed at the people living in Palestine who were both Christian and Muslim. So often both Muslims and Jews forget that the Palestinian people are not a monolithically Muslim group(Again its easier to hate someone, when you believe there is a religious mandate to do so). At turn of the century, the Palestinians were roughly 10% Christian.
In the time leading up to the creation of Israel as predominantly European Jewish emmigration to Palestine was increasing, there was some major violence committed on both sides including some major terrorism/rage/ethnic cleansing committed by Jews upon Arabs. Have you ever heard of the Stern Gang/Lehi? This is an excellent example of violent Jewish rage. It was partially directed at the British(they assasinated a few British statesmen, UN mediator, killed many British soldiers, and were involved in the killings of hundreds of Palestinian civilians). The modern Jewish state of Israel was founded upon a desire to live unmolested combined with a new "Jewish rage" for all that got in the way of this goal. Over a thousand years of European persecution and violence towards Jews was played forward against the Palestinians(An ironic thing is that genetically speaking modern Jews and Palestinians are extremely closely linked and some argue that the modern Palestinians are descended from ancient Israelites mixed with Arabs and others) who got in the way.
My criticism of Israel is that she is not taking a strong enough stance on those countries that are attacking her it is like Israel is just throwing fuel on the fire as if Israel wants to keep the conflict going on forever. Giving in to terrorist countries because they are committing terror just encourages more terror. True peace will only come when it is beneficial for them. They need to be attacked their country should be leveled to a pile of rubble or in till they decide that peace is the best solution for them otherwise when ever they get in a disagreement with Israel they will resort to terror because they know that Israel will cower down and meet their demands if they just keep up the terror. Instead when an act of terror occurs response should be quick and swift. A whole town or village should be wiped off the map. This should be continued until they decide they want peace or every man, woman and child have a one way ticket to Allah.
Why don't I cut one of your fingers off till you tell me you love me? Kill one of your family members until you stop hating me. Same inane, ultraviolent logic. You defeat Hamas by making their efforts ineffective, by not becoming like them. You don't improve upon terrorism by committing a geometrically higher amount of it.
What a fantasy. Hamas only understands one thing and that is force. They need to be killed and the terrorism of Islam will never end. This war is forever.
Israel has handed out its arms to embrace the Muslims for over 40 years how much longer should she cower to Threats of terrorismWhen is enough enough..These pigs do not want peace in fact they will not rest until every Israeli is dead. For protection of the greater good sacrifices must be made if they are incapable of living beside Israel in peace then we have no choice but to exterminate them all.
Most People live with shame over those events. Most have expressed their sadness. Have muslims ever expressed any apologies for the same, for Jizyah, and making jews wear stars, for making them lower their eyes?
Again, over simplification. The Muslim world helped Hitler Engineer such atrocities and shared its shameful ways to humiliate Jews.The point is that historically, all these injustices were carried out by Europeans, not the Muslim world.
and Muslims are blameless in their actions? They didn't attack Christians, destroy Christian population centers? whatever.As far as the Crusades go, its the same thing-the Europeans came to the Holy Land and killed Jews and Muslims. The Jews and Muslims that were in Palestine at the time actually worked together against the Christian European Crusaders.
and ya already labeled my a bigot and ignorant. You seem to have pretty ,uch ignored what Muhammad dide to JEWS are the Beginning of ISlam. You seem to also conveninently forget what the Koran states about JEWS, and that they bear Allah's curse upon them.The idea that Muslims and Jews have always been diametrically opposed is hogwash. Any Jew or Muslim that believes that they are meant to hate one another based on their religion or history are ignorant or extremist.
This is a pro-Israel site.
It's called Pallywood. Search for it on Youtube.
Hi..Israel has more reason to exist than any of it's Muslim neighbours. Israel has more reason to exist than Pakistan and any Islamic state has to exist on Hindu/Buddhist soil.
I always put the equivalent to Muslim apologists, India can give away half a table tennis table in size to Islam as Hindu's, yet you cant give an area the size of a small ping pong ball on a table tennis table (entire Middle East equivalent) to Israel (with no oil/gas and stuff) to live peacefully..?
Islam is not to coexist with us peacefully. I admire Israel very much keeping themselves at bay. My deep regards to you folks.
Welcome to the forum.Non-Muslims of India know the troubles that Islam brings to the world.
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