Krav Maga

Moon · 08-06-2002, 02:06 AM

One night I was watching a documentary about safety on aeroports and commercial airplanes. It was produced after 9-11 and focused on terrorism.

Many El-Al personel was interviewed and one mentioned a martial art teached to many security agents: Krav Maga. He defined it as a self defense technic to win a fight without using arms (guns, knifes, whatever).

I searched for it on google and found this site: International Krav Maga Federation (Imi system). It has branches in many countries including USA, some European countries and, of course, Israel. I think it is part of the IDF's curriculum, but it's also a technic for civilians.

If you can't avoid a physical confrontation, which is the best solution, I say break some anti-semitic legs!

christian · 08-06-2002, 02:26 AM

Yes. Kraga Maga looks like mixture of wrestling and Karate to me.

I do like to sign up for the tourist trip for the purpose of tourism in Israel.

christian · 08-06-2002, 02:29 AM

By the way, is there any chinese martial arts school in Israel?

If not, I can teach people chi kung for development of health, such as prevention of cancer, etc..While I am in vacation.

christian · 08-06-2002, 02:31 AM

Something I can give back to jewish community

Moon · 08-06-2002, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by christian
By the way, is there any chinese martial arts school in Israel?

Good point!

Google Search: martial art israel Google rocks!

World Kobudo Federation-ISRAEL

Established in 1998 , WKF-ISRAEL today is a leading Martial Arts organization in Israel. WKF-ISRAEL main styles is: Daiou-Ryu Jiu-Jitsu,Taekwondo,Pankration,Judo,Kempo-Jitsu,Kung-Fu,Sambo,Karate and Nunchaku-Do.

Anything familiar?

victot · 08-06-2002, 01:00 PM

i saw a show on the learning channel once called the top 10 martial art forms of all time, krav maga was ranked number 7. I believe it was the only one whose origins weren't oriental.

fbi agents learn krav maga, it has a great combination of being relatively easy to learn, part of it specificly deals with dissarming enemies weapons, and it's as quick as anything in incapacitating your opponent. the show i saw about it said it was the most no-nonsense form of martial arts.
(it was invented by a hungarian jew at around the time of the war of independance, which he fought in.)

Simon · 08-06-2002, 02:01 PM

What is the literal translation of Krav Maga??

alexbmn · 08-06-2002, 02:29 PM

" contact combat"? Anyway the thing with Krav Maga is that isnt not an "art".Its a combat system.There are no rules or limitations,everything is legal. It was developed by people who had real life experience in the field.

Deni al-Amriki · 09-09-2002, 01:30 PM

Didn't a Krav Maga specialist enter one of these "Ultimate Fighting" no-holds-barred fighting competitions and not fare so well? There is indeed a great amount of mythology in the martial arts, especially with these combat miltary-oriented styles...

Anyway, I'm generally ignorant of Krav Maga, but I do know that other Martial Arts are practiced in Israel. There was a famous Kickboxing and Karate champion from Israel named Moti Horenshtain, he fought in various tornaments, and did real good (though I think I saw him loose twice in the UFC). He was a pretty good Karate and Kickboxing guy. His record in No holds barred fighting was not so okay, and can be seen here:

http://sherdog.com/fightfinder/displ...?fighterid=139

But to be fair, four of his five losses came against big Wrestlers, two of them being world class.

I also once knew a very talented Judo Player from israel, so Martial Arts is definitely there.

christian · 09-09-2002, 09:16 PM

Although, I am not a expert in Martial arts. I find many westerner are misunderstand the meaning of martial arts.

Kraga Marv is a good martial arts, but the purpose of Kraga Marv is to subdue your opponents. Which in this case, a practitioner is causing so much pain to the opponents. Eventually, he will forsake the will to fight.

Oriential martial arts is a different aiming. The purpose of oriental martial arts is to "kill". " Kill at one strike."

Unfortunately, in these days,many oriental practitioner can't fully express their destructiveness, due to guns and tanks.

No one has that destructiveness anymore. Recently, only four people in the earth can demonstrate these kind of destruction. Eg, Bruce Lee, Donnie Yen, fok yuen ken(fist of fury),etc.

In the near future, people can only practice forms without destruction.

thanks,
a little out of topic in israeli forum.

danholo · 09-10-2002, 02:45 AM

The purpose of Krav Maga is to neutralize the enemy as soon as possible. Killing is one of the neutralization methods. For instance a person comes at you with a knife, you block and if you hit him properly in the nose, he will get killed.

Barak · 09-10-2002, 05:45 AM

Well, I had a couple of hours in total lessons in Krav Maga. It indeed learns how to opress an enemy, but you also learn a couple of nasty death blows...

minusthejihad · 09-10-2002, 07:06 AM

I have a friend out here in San Diego who is from Brazil and is a jujitsu champion and instructor who has trained and fought with the best such as the Gracies. Before I even told him that I was a Jew, he mentioned that he had trained all sorts of government agents in fighting including Mossad and Shin Bet agents.

He also knows and teaches Krav Maga and points out that jujitsu (jiu-jitsu) includes most of what is taught in Krav Maga, but it goes further in methodology, and definately in offensive moves, as well as inflicting serious pain and damage or death. However he did point out that Krav Maga was the absolute best fighting form that taught to disarm an opponent who possessed a weapon. So much for the steriotypical "push-over Jew".

I want to learn both, the only problem is, as a kid I tried to learn 4 different martial arts (tank sudo, tykwondo, shotokan, okinawan karate, etc.) and yet none had any "down to basics" moves or practices. They were more like art forms. And unfortunately, I have not met an instructor, including my friend, that is not sado masichistic. I do not look forward to sprained arms and legs, bruises, or concusions just so I can learn to defend myself more thoroughly. Has any Krav Maga student here had a less painful experience?

Steve · 09-11-2002, 06:08 PM

When I was studying in engineering, a friend of mine was giving Jiu Jitsu lessons, but I only went to a couple because he started doing moves on me and hurting me...

I mean, it is the point of martial arts to hurt, but an expert shouldn't be using an amateur as a dummy...but that's the way the cookie crumbles, as they say.

Originally posted by minusthejihad
I have not met an instructor, including my friend, that is not sado masichistic.

christian · 09-11-2002, 08:20 PM

The purpose of Krav Maga is to neutralize the enemy as soon as possible. Killing is one of the neutralization methods. For instance a person comes at you with a knife, you block and if you hit him properly in the nose, he will get killed.

Theoretically speaking, it is possible.

In actual reality, it is very difficult. For example, if you are smaller size than your opponents. You can't block his knife jab. His arm is twice bigger than you. His force is 40 g knife jabbing you. It takes you 45 g to block his knife jabbing.

By the way, breaking your opponents nose won't kill him.
It only disllustrate him. It only slows him down. A well trainned terroist can take the hit.

If you are trained in the army. The army teach you to break his neck instead. It really takes him down on the floor at one strike.