Iran worried over Syrian air defense failure in IAF strike

ForceRecon79 · 10-05-2007, 01:36 AM

Report: Iran worried over Syrian air defense failure in IAF strike

By Yossi Melman, Haaretz Correspondent

Iran is concerned over the failure of Syria's air defense systems to detect the Israel Air Force non-stealth aircraft that reportedly carried out an attack inside Syria last month, the American weekly Aviation Week reported on its Web site on Wednesday.

According to the report, Israel was able to disrupt Syria's radar and air defense systems and render them ineffective during the IAF strike. The Web site reported that Israel used an electronic device, installed in a plane that circled the area, to disrupt Syria's defenses.

The weekly maintained that Iran is especially concerned over the failure of Syria's Russian-made radar systems. Iran has used similar systems in the past, and is slated to purchase more radar equipment in a future deal worth $750 million. This equipment is apparently designated to protect Iran's nuclear facilities against attacks from the air.

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According to the report, Israel used highly advanced equipment to jam Syria's defenses, similar to the equipment used in the U.S., which can completely black out a radar system, thus neutralizing the defense missile systems which rely on it.

The Web site added that since the IAF attack in Syria, many experts around the world have speculated on the reasons behind the fact that Syria's defenses failed to detect the Israeli planes and prevent the attack.

The publication also said that the technology used to disrupt the Syrian defenses had the capability to misinform the targeted radar system and create a false reading, thus diverting attention from the actual aircraft. The Web site did not name the kind of technology it was referring to, nor did it attest to the quality of its performance.

In 1982, during the war in Lebanon, Israel operated what was then considered the cutting edge of electronic equipment to disrupt and misinform Lebanese defenses. This equipment facilitated the Israeli attack on Syrian air defense batteries in Lebanon.

ForceRecon79 · 10-05-2007, 01:40 AM

Iran should be worried. Syria's vaunted "Russian air defense" got it's clocked cleaned by the IAF, and Iran's air defense systems aren't even as good as Syria's. The idea that the top two Air Force's in the world (the USAF and IAF), won't be able to deliver highly successful strikes against Iranain nuclear and IRGC targets, has always been a lughable argument...but now Iran knows it, or at least they should.

Christian_Iran · 10-05-2007, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by ForceRecon79

Iran should be worried. Syria's vaunted "Russian air defense" got it's clocked cleaned by the IAF,

The Russians will not sell good stuff, no nation sells good stuff. They sell their old second hand technology.

and Iran's air defense systems aren't even as good as Syria's.

Where have you heard this? I think its absurd.

The idea that the top two Air Force's in the world (the USAF and IAF), won't be able to deliver highly successful strikes against Iranain nuclear and IRGC targets, has always been a lughable argument...but now Iran knows it, or at least they should.

The IAF is the best in the world. But the USAF sucks, at least in the practices. The 18 best American and Israeli pilots thought eachother. All the 18 American where shoot down and none Israeli!

The Same with India, I dont know how many Indian survived but the Indian Air force pilots won against the USAF. I bet the chinese could too.

When The Shah was in power the British and American air force trainers said that the Iranian pilots where the best they have seen.

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If Iran was attacked I bet it wouldnt be able to defent itself. The nuclear plants would be easy targets.

But saying that the USAF pilots and the IAF stand together as the best is laughable!

And no the American troops are not the best in the world either. That would be the chinese, the Israelis 3 years training beats the Americans 3 months even for 45 year olds...

**Mil** · 10-05-2007, 07:12 AM

The IAF is the best in the world. But the USAF sucks, at least in the practices. The 18 best American and Israeli pilots thought eachother. All the 18 American where shoot down and none Israeli!

I don't think so.

The Same with India, I dont know how many Indian survived but the Indian Air force pilots won against the USAF. I bet the chinese could too.

In their MIGs?

When The Shah was in power the British and American air force trainers said that the Iranian pilots where the best they have seen.

But saying that the USAF pilots and the IAF stand together as the best is laughable!

Pretty much.

And no the American troops are not the best in the world either. That would be the chinese, the Israelis 3 years training beats the Americans 3 months even for 45 year olds...

**bararallu** · 10-05-2007, 08:10 AM

C_I,

I would not say anything Chinese military is terribly impressive... neither their Air Force nor their ground forces. Everything they have seems rather obsolete. Pretty much everyone concurs, the Japaneses and the Taiwanese as well I'm sure. This can change over time, probably will... but at the moment...

KettleWhistle · 10-05-2007, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Christian_Iran

The IAF is the best in the world. But the USAF sucks, at least in the practices. The 18 best American and Israeli pilots thought eachother. All the 18 American where shoot down and none Israeli!

The Same with India, I dont know how many Indian survived but the Indian Air force pilots won against the USAF. I bet the chinese could too.

The exercises were rigged against the USAF so that they can ask for more money for new tech.

**Kenneth** · 10-05-2007, 08:50 AM

Check out this fine bit of 'Merican engineering.

**bararallu** · 10-05-2007, 01:12 PM

a variation on the theory...

**bararallu** · 10-05-2007, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Kenneth

Check out this fine bit of 'Merican engineering.

That's a nice bird

. The question is though: is it worth the duckets? I personally don't think one F22 is better to have than say 5 F16 outfitted with Israeli kit. Not for another 10 to 15 years anyway. And I certainly don't think it is worth more than 2-3 F35s, or something like 8 or 10 Su-27 flankers, again, outfitted with Israeli avionics and radar... hypothetically speaking. Esp. given propensity for active radar suppression as posted above. We dont need Lambos on the road when all the other cars are Subarus, a Porche will do

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**Kenneth** · 10-05-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by bararallu

That's a nice bird

. The question is though: is it worth the duckets?

Probably not in terms of use to cost ratio, but when you see the versatility, the way it flips over and almost floats in the air you can almost see that type of aircraft portrayed in so many sci-fi stories and films coming around the next corner. A feather in the hat of all involved. I especially like the tail flaps. Very organic.

ShimonG · 10-05-2007, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by KettleWhistle

The exercises were rigged against the USAF so that they can ask for more money for new tech.

Although most indians exulted at the news, they were also aware that certain rules of engagement handicapped the USAF.

The aircraft flown by the IndianAF were Migs, Su-30MKI's and Mirage-2000's.

BTW, the Indians are perhaps one of the very very few ones (only ones?) who have, with Soviet weapons beaten the out of a country (porkistan) armed with US weapons. Usually, its been the other way around. Goes to show that you can provide the most advanced weapons to a bunch of morons, in the final analysis its the guy in the cockpit and his intelligence that decides the outcome.

**bararallu** · 10-05-2007, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kenneth

Probably not in terms of use to cost ratio, but when you see the versatility, the way it flips over and almost floats in the air you can almost see that type of aircraft portrayed in so many sci-fi stories and films coming around the next corner. A feather in the hat of all involved. I especially like the tail flaps. Very organic.

I could be very well wrong- but I've read somewhere that the Russians still build air-sup fighters with better dog fighting capability (= angle of attack, thrust to weight etc), it's just everything else about those fighters sucks... radar sig, avionics, countermeasures, fuel efficiency etc. I think if all things were equal, the best bet would be for the Israelis to buy 1000 flankers and do some serious modifications... and accomplish the majority of what the F-22 accomplishes, for oh I don't know... 1/8th the money. Aside, in 10 years the F-22 will be relegated to the same status as the B1 bomber... in light of the type of air-sup UCAVs that can be fielded, cheaper at that point.

ShimonG · 10-05-2007, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by bararallu

......... it's just everything else about those fighters sucks... radar sig, avionics, countermeasures, fuel efficiency etc. I think if all things were equal, the best bet would be for the Israelis to buy 1000 flankers and do some serious modifications... and accomplish the majority of what the F-22 accomplishes, for oh I don't know... 1/8th the money.........

Which is what the indians did with the Su-30MKI. It has israeli avionics and also believed to be configured to fire israeli missiles and deliver israeli bombs. And that is also what is happening with our Phalcon deal with them. The platform is Russian. The innards are Israeli.

PS. The Su-30MKI's came at about $30 million a pop fully loaded.

**bararallu** · 10-05-2007, 03:55 PM

I think it's money better spent... and a leash less worn personally.

Christian_Iran · 10-05-2007, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by bararallu

C_I,

I would not say anything Chinese military is terribly impressive... neither their Air Force nor their ground forces. Everything they have seems rather obsolete. Pretty much everyone concurs, the Japaneses and the Taiwanese as well I'm sure. This can change over time, probably will... but at the moment...

If you have in mind that the Chinese have evolved the past 40 years, and their industry is 60 years behind, coal energy mostly et c. I say that they are pretty good.
Their Air force is made to outnumber as launchers.

China made the gun, the canon, the rocket and mine et c. They know their buisness.

I would like to see the 45 year old US soldiers do this.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/3...caa9a339ea.jpg

Originally Posted by KettleWhistle

The exercises were rigged against the USAF so that they can ask for more money for new tech.

Actually no, the planes are made sure to be the same tech. The same level et c. Dont get fooled, tduring the falklands war the Argentine pilots kicked the RAF , tech is not as important as the pilot.