Israel lasted over 400 years as a religious state. It fell because it was becoming more secular.Originally posted by sharonbn
Yes it does. for two reasons:
1. In ancient times, all Jews were religious. However, for the last 150 year this was not the case.
I guess if you don't want to follow the laws it would be an injustice. The reason why alot of Orthodox Jews don't move to Israel is because there isn't any point right now. There is no difference between it and America or England. They oppose it because it is secular.Today, the VAST majority of Jews are secular. Orthodox religious are 15%. Moreover, it is the secular Zionist movement who made independant Israel possible. Many orthodox Jews still oppose the state and its laws.
It would be a historical injustice to make the Zionist creation, the state of Israel, an ultra-religious state.
If you see the Orthodox as doing everything for their own personal gain then you have a shallow view of them. Do you think they do everything for themselves and don't care about all Jews?2. If the representatives of the Jewish religion are the orthodox political parties, than the Jewish faith is indeed primitive and narrow minded. The orthodox political parties are a bunch of greedy, stupid, selfish, criminal gangsters. The secular parties do a MUCH better job of portraing all that's beatiful and wise in the Jewish people.
The description that you gave sounds almost like what I would hear from an antisemetic site. Maybe it is because it is so easy to take everything they do at face value and not think "out of the box?"
And the last part is subjective.
That would be the case. And what would there be to vote about if it was a Monarcy/Theistic government? .I didn't even speak about Arabs. I spoke of Jews who choose to live an alternative life styles. If Israel will become ultra-religious, it will have draconian laws forbidding homosexualism, erotic art, abortions, single parenthood and probably women vote.
I guess you aren't aware of some of the relationship the tribes had with eachother. There are two tribes (I can't remember the names right now) that had a special relationship. One worked for and funded the other tribe so it could study Torah all the time. When most of the Jews in Israel are secular and help to make Israel great, why should the Orthodox when they can be given the ability to study all day?I'm telling you that the orthodox Jews are the parasites of the Israeli society. What happened 2000 years ago bares zero relevance to these people. I'm not only talking about military service. These people do not work, do not pay taxes, do not mix in the cultural and economic fabric of the Israeli society. They wish to distance themselves from everything that even smells as productive community life. They live in self created ghettos. They do, however, receive money from the state, courtesy of their greedy political representatives.
However, I am opposed to the "ultra" part of the ultra Orthodox. They are very legalistic in many different ways.
But, to get back on track, how can Israel be a JEWISH state and be a democracy with some of the policies it takes?