Israel's Self-Righteous Critics Remain Silent as Palestinians Kill "Collaborators"

[Philip]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
We Jews invented human rights thousands of years before any european could even read or write.

And I guess you'll change what they are whenever you see fit, too.

These double standards of yours, denying Jews right for self rule in the land of their ancesotrs, denying Israel right for self defense, taking biased pro arab, pro violence and pro terrorism stand, you support of killing of Jews, regarless of their age, gender of position, all of these opinions make you, philip a racist.

You said you don't have double standards and I proven to all the board member of read these posts, that you do have double standards. Having these double standards make you also an anti semite.

consider me what ever you like, I still consider you racist, also I believe i'm not alone thinking that about you, here.

Whether out of purpose or out of incompetence, you have grossly mistated my position. I don't see that there is enough sense in what you have written to try to repair it to something approaching accuracy, so I'll just leave this note as a warning to anyone who might read your words that you know not of what you speak.

[ibrodsky]

from Ha'aretz today:

The son of the first known Palestinian woman to be executed as an Israeli collaborator Sunday said gunmen tortured him until he invented a story about his mother's involvement in a militant's death.

[Philip]

This is about as much as anyone should need to know about Joseph Farah's credibility:

Farah said one of the reasons why most media outlets seem more sympathetic to the Arabs is that the Arabs are much better than the Israelis at public relations.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Philip
And I guess you'll change what they are whenever you see fit, too.

No, you are the pro terrorism who twisted human rights into plane anti semitic pro arab propoganda. We Jews still follow each and every dot of true and realistic human rights laws, and keep correct and realstic human rights observance or practise. You, however, is out of the picture.

Originally posted by Philip
so I'll just leave this note as a warning to anyone who might read your words that you know not of what you speak.

I only know what you have written, and it's quite anti semetic pro terrorism so far... no caring for rights or human rights. No questions no introspects, simple follower of arab popoganda line.

What disturbes me the most about you, (which is yet another proof of how anti semetic you are) is that you care nothing about the truth!

[Philip]

We Jews still follow each and every dot of true and realistic human rights laws, and keep correct and realstic human rights observance or practise.

What an odd statement. Do you mean that Jews religiously "follow each and every dot of true and realistic human rights laws," or is it that, by definition, anything "you Jews" do follows "each and every dot of true and realistic human rights laws," or maybe that Jews are genetically precluded from doing anything other than following "each and every dot of true and realistic human rights laws?"

Apparently, Jews cannot violate human rights. I learn something new every day.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Philip
Jews cannot violate human rights. I learn something new every day. [/B]

My G-d, you have got it!!!

Human rights are one of the pillars of our civilization. It can't dropped out or ignored, or else, the whole idea of justace will collapce. Justace is a key concept in Jedaism. If some jew does violet human rights, he is put on trail, and if he's found guilty, he is punished.

[victot]

Farah said one of the reasons why most media outlets seem more sympathetic to the Arabs is that the Arabs are much better than the Israelis at public relations.

why does that discredit him? i've heard that idea mentioned numerous times...
by israel's supporters, and even by non-israel supporters...

[martinw718]

Originally posted by 5-alef
The billions of dollars serve American interest...

Now hold it a minute.

The main reason we give so much money to Israel is that we are proud to give that money. That money was appropriated by Congress. By the People's representatives.

The ones who are trying to attach strings to the money are the enemies of Israel.

They are the ones spouting things like "Well if we're going to be giving them all that money they should [insert political rhetoric here]."

You'll hear media mouthpieces speculating (i.e. sticking their own opinion in as if it were news) about how "the Government is going to react to the situation in light of the large amounts of aid..." And blah, blah, blah. But Congress has not tried to use the aid to extort policy changes. That's the anti-Israel crowd talking about that. And you know where they can go.

[eyl]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh


(Arab MD helps Jews only within Israeli hospitals, No red cross ambulance will ever help the victems of a terror attack, and no one in israel consider that out of the ordinary... no one expect red cross ambulances to help Jews, thus no questions asked, ever)

In fairness, it should be pointed out that there have been instances where Palestinian medical personnel treated and returned Israelies injured in Palestinian area (including a few soldiers)

[eyl]

Originally posted by Philip


No, I haven't counted them. Apparently you have, in order to claim that they are a fringe element. How many of them are there?

Also, if Israel is not responsible for the action of its fringe elements, why is the Palestinian Authority? You know very well that it is stated again and again that Arafat is responsible for every terrorist act by a Palestinian, and the Israeli government has repeatedly suspended negotiations because there was a single terrorist attack. Have you the integrity to declare that all Palestinians should not be punished for the actions of fringe groups, even as you insist that Israel should not be criticized (let alone punished!) for actions of its own fringe elements?

The Palestinian "fringe element" isn't just the Hamas, as you seem to claim; it includes groups belonging to (and under the nominal command of) Arafat's own Fatah. In addition, Arafat has done nothing to fight them, which is why he's held responsible for the actions of those groups not under his command.

[eyl]

Originally posted by Philip


Further, in spite of the efforts of so many to focus the argument to comparing Palestinian terrorists to the Baruch Goldsteins...

Um...

You brought him up.

[peacelover]

Originally posted by eyl
The Palestinian "fringe element" isn't just the Hamas, as you seem to claim; it includes groups belonging to (and under the nominal command of) Arafat's own Fatah. In addition, Arafat has done nothing to fight them, which is why he's held responsible for the actions of those groups not under his command.

Eyl, you have a point because there is far bigger problem with te violence and death culture among the Palestinians than among the Israelis. You are also right in saying that Hamas are not the only perpetrators of horrendous violence, and that Arafat has to be blamed for not taking action in the past.

But at this moment in time, do you honestly think Arafat could stop Hamas even if he wanted to? Given the state of his security forces?
Obviously, Hamas cannot be stopped by Arafat. You might also add that Arafat wouldn't stop them even if he could,which is a fair point, but only adds to the bad logic of the 'Gaza first' plan:

Seeing as Arafat is neither capable nor willing to halt attacks by hamas, why is Israel beginning a deal which involves him doing exactly that? Is that not rather ill-advised?

[Haifa]

Hi,

I saw Joseph Farah's name in this forum a few weeks ago, and spent the whole night (actually until 7 am) reading his articles and trying to know his story.

I thought what he had to say was interesting since he was an arab because all palestinian christians I have met in my life are extremely nationalist, to an unimaginable point.

In addition to being nationalist, it is a well-known fact that christian palestinians are orthodox christians, and as you all know, orthodox people are not in love with Israel.

Also if we look at the PLO, we find that George Habash is Christian, Ashrawi is Christian, and the people who killed the Israeli Athletes in Munich were christian.

But things started to clear up as I started reading about Farah. First of all, he is lebanese, 50 years old, and an extremely relgious catholic. He is the most fanatical christian writer I have ever seen.

First of all bieing lebanese would mean being biased against Yasser Arafat since Arafat had a war with the lebanese.


Secondly, When I read pages from his book about the middle east, I expected to see arguments, but all I saw was:

Exodeus: "....."
Levitiques: "......."
Solomon: "......."

in other words, it was a bible-based history book!

He also made many mistakes in numbers and historical events agreed upon by jewish and arab historians, so he lost any credibility he had.


Anyways, after wasting the whole night, I came to the conclusion that Farah is not a normal typical East of Mediteranian christian. There is something wrong with him!

For example, he says yasser arafat was born in egypt, and then starts taunting arafat, but he never mentions that with the exception of natanyahu and sharon, none of israli PMs are born there!

And sadly, he is being used as a propaganda tool by hate sites such as masada2000 as well as mainstream jewish sites.

go to google and find search for "joseph farah," and see what websites have his articles!

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Haifa


For example, he says yasser arafat was born in egypt, and then starts taunting arafat, but he never mentions that with the exception of natanyahu and sharon, none of israli PMs are born there!

You missed the point. No one faults Arafat for being born in Egypt. The problem is that he concocted an elaborate lie to make people think he was born in Jerusalem.

[Haifa]

You missed the point. No one faults Arafat for being born in Egypt. The problem is that he concocted an elaborate lie to make people think he was born in Jerusalem.

yes I agree with you on this. His father was born in Jeruslam, but he was born in egypt.

After all, Arafat is the biggest liar in history. I really hate this person. He is unqualified to lead a pack of sheep let alone leading humans.