Home | Well, they're not all anti-Semitic.Originally posted by Paris
It is sad when someone on the left of this debate sources LaRouche. It makes the left side of this argument look very stupid and very anti-Semitic (LaRouche being both of these things). And to all of the quick witted people out there please do not quote part of this and say "because they are stupid and anti-Semitic
Paris
I will speak up for the Palestinian Mother of 7 who was murdered Saturday by the PLO because they labeled her a collaborator. She was an innocent who was forced from her home by her own people, forced to confess and then shot twice in the heart and once in the head. Now the Palestinians are tying to back track and making all kinds of excuses for their depravity.
She should be declared a "Mayrtr for Peace". Is the PLO so fearce that they must now pull Palestinian mothers out of their homes at gun point and murder them.
We have a saying and I don't know where it comes from but:
There is no justice for the unjust.
it's widely reported (here's one of a few sites i checked) that it was sourced from the israeli daily paper ha'aretz.Originally posted by Vic
From "www.larouchepub.com"? Excellent company for "Zmag" fans
it's not really a surprising comment, given the known IDF tactics and their disturbing similarities to nazi tactics in warsaw:(from the same site):
Judging by the recent Israeli carnage in the West Bank - the targeting of Palestinian ambulances and medical personnel, the targeting of journalists, the killing of Palestinian children "for sport" (Chris Hedges, New York Times former Cairo bureau chief), the rounding up, handcuffing and blindfolding of all Palestinian males between the ages 15 and 50, and affixing of numbers on their wrists, the indiscriminate torture of Palestinian detainees, the denial of food, water, electricity, and medical assistance to the Palestinian civilian population, the indiscriminate air assaults on Palestinian neighborhoods, the use of Palestinian civilians as human shields, the bulldozing of Palestinian homes with the occupants huddled inside - it appears that the Israeli army is following the officer's advice.
Who is reporting that it's sourced from Haaretz? I am asking because the "counterpunch.org" isn't a better source thatn "LaRouche". Just the other side of the exact same coin!Originally posted by yaaqub ishaq
it's widely reported (here's one of a few sites i checked) that it was sourced from the israeli daily paper ha'aretz.]
What do you know about the Nazi tactics in Warsaw? How are the Israeli tactics anywhere in the vicinity of those? Facts, facts, facts: if you make such an accusation, you have to be prepared to back it up with detail.it's not really a surprising comment, given the known IDF tactics and their disturbing similarities to nazi tactics in warsaw:
Of course i will ridicule your points. At least u have the sense to label them points, not "facts" as other arab apologists do around here, calling every tidbit found on the web somewhere a "fact".Originally posted by Philip
What points? All you did was ridicule my points. What reference should I make?
Getting back to yuor claims which u seemed to be doing everything u possibly can to run away from and change the subject:
1-Joseph Farah is a world-renowned journalist, and was for DECADES before opening his current site. You dont like the news on his site, too bad. The facts hurt sometimes, deal with it.
2-u claimed benny morris "already debunked those claims" as propaganda. Benny Morris has no credibility WHATSOEVER in academic circles, and less respect among general historians. Frankly, his work is as truthful as David Irving and the German who found Hitler's diaries a few years ago: ZERO.
3-you claimed the NY Times has never mentioned the aid to israel. This is a pure lie, and until you fess up to it, you will have no credibility either.
You made other false claims, but this is enough. I think we all get the point that you need to do a far better job researching your points, becuase right now u could claim water was wet and most here would dip their toe in just to be sure.
well unfortunately you're going to have to accept that criticisms of the israeli military will tend to come from left wing organisations such as counterpunch.Originally posted by elke
Who is reporting that it's sourced from Haaretz? I am asking because the "counterpunch.org" isn't a better source thatn "LaRouche". Just the other side of the exact same coin!
i do not guarantee whether or not this statement was made, however i did check around and it is widely attributed to a report that was published in the israeli daily ha'aretz.
altho that itself hardly makes it fact, it surely helps to deflect some of the 'anti-semitic' criticism aimed at counterpunch and other left-wing sites.well i enjoy nothing more than arguing with facts. the only problem is as always, time. the w/end is coming up, maybe i will get a chance to research this issue.What do you know about the Nazi tactics in Warsaw? How are the Israeli tactics anywhere in the vicinity of those? Facts, facts, facts: if you make such an accusation, you have to be prepared to back it up with detail.
tho i plan to respond to thread in which we were arguing about OPEC too. i find the politics surrounding that very interesting. we shall see
Yaakub, the "LaRouche" bunch is not exactly "leftist", but they are certainly not a reliable source of info on anything really...Originally posted by yaaqub ishaq
well unfortunately you're going to have to accept that criticisms of the israeli military will tend to come from left wing organisations such as counterpunch.
i do not guarantee whether or not this statement was made, however i did check around and it is widely attributed to a report that was published in the israeli daily ha'aretz.
altho that itself hardly makes it fact, it surely helps to deflect some of the 'anti-semitic' criticism aimed at counterpunch and other left-wing sites.well i enjoy nothing more than arguing with facts. the only problem is as always, time. the w/end is coming up, maybe i will get a chance to research this issue.
tho i plan to respond to thread in which we were arguing about OPEC too. i find the politics surrounding that very interesting. we shall see
I also want to mention that debating with you is rather pleasant, because you never stoop to flinging mud, even if we don't agree at all
Hey, do you guys get Monday off too, as Labor Day?
Why, dead Jewish schoolchildren, my Brotherman! Directly or indirectly, that's what almost everything here is about, isn't it? Why they died and what can be done to avoid there being more of them. It's an important topic, and not really something to laugh out loud about, is it?Originally posted by Mediocrates
What was that?
Originally posted by martinw718
The people I'm talking about don't make any points. They just repeat accusations over and over again. Sheer propaganda. ("Occupation! Occupation! Occupation! War Crimes! Massacres! War Crimes! Massacres!") They never back anything up. (Though they seem to think you can back up your accusation by making it over again.)
Oh -- I guess you weren't talking about me, then. I always make an effort to back what I write up. You can look to my prior posts to verify that.
Well, (a) there aren't that many people here who know what they're talking about, and (b) it isn't my intent to fool anyone.By the way, do you realize that you can't fool people who know what they're talking about?
Originally posted by rhodescholar
Of course i will ridicule your points. At least u have the sense to label them points, not "facts" as other arab apologists do around here, calling every tidbit found on the web somewhere a "fact".
Getting back to yuor claims which u seemed to be doing everything u possibly can to run away from and change the subject:
1-Joseph Farah is a world-renowned journalist, and was for DECADES before opening his current site. You dont like the news on his site, too bad. The facts hurt sometimes, deal with it.
However renowned he is, he spews biased information, knowing full well that it will tend to mislead. I know enough of the facts of the situation to see that, whatever is the truth, Mr. Farah is unprofessional in his uncritical acceptance and broadcasting of only one side of a story the facts of which are legitimately contested. That's as much as I need to know about Mr. Farah's reporting on Israel.
2-u claimed benny morris "already debunked those claims" as propaganda. Benny Morris has no credibility WHATSOEVER in academic circles, and less respect among general historians. Frankly, his work is as truthful as David Irving and the German who found Hitler's diaries a few years ago: ZERO.
I've heard this drivel before. I followed up on a source that was supposed to "utterly discredit" Benny Morris, and it turned out that the guy's main beef was over the translation of a few lines of Moshe Sharret's diary: NOTHING. I've looked, I have found no substance to claims that Benny Morris. Please point me to something that substantiates your dismissal of him.
And, aside from assiduously documenting his claims, Morris is an avowed Zionist, and he blames the Palestinians for most of the wrongs between them and the Israelis. What would his motivation be to slander Israel? Do you really imagine that he couldn't get fame more easily than by creating dense tomes about Israel's history?
3-you claimed the NY Times has never mentioned the aid to israel. This is a pure lie, and until you fess up to it, you will have no credibility either.
I'll take a look and get back to you with what I find on the NYTimes.
When has yaaqub ever backed anything up? You're wasting your time.Originally posted by elke
What do you know about the Nazi tactics in Warsaw? How are the Israeli tactics anywhere in the vicinity of those? Facts, facts, facts: if you make such an accusation, you have to be prepared to back it up with detail.
It's this kind of garbage that proves that it's futile to try to reason with these bigoted creeps.the killing of Palestinian children "for sport"
If it sounds like Nazi propaganda and looks like Nazi propaganda and reasons like Nazi propaganda....
Militants kill teenage girl for 'collaborating' with Israel
By Reuters and Ha'aretz Service
19:07 30/08/2002
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pa...ubContrassID=0
Reminds one of something, doesn't it?Palestinian militants shot a teenaged girl in the head, killing her for "collaborating" with Israel, Palestinian sources said on Friday.
They said 18-year old Rajah Ibrahim was the second female in a week to be killed by members of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, who are affiliated with Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement.
Sources close to al-Aqsa said they killed her three days after abducting her in Tul Karm.
[...]
It was reported earlier that the militants had kidnapped a brother and sister from Tul Karm on suspicion of aiding Israel.
The kidnappers were threatening to execute the two, who are the niece and nephew of Ikhlas Khouli, the 35-year-old mother of seven who was seized from her Tul Karm home and shot dead Saturday after admitting to collaborating with Israel.
Khouli's sister, who is the mother of the two arrested Thursday, was also interrogated, but was released after admitting her collaboration with Israel. She said that the admitted to the charges after being tortured.
[...]
I wonder what collaborating was?
-Bought a nicer refrigerator than her neighbor
-Dated a Jew
-Worked for Jew
-Fought off someone's romantic advances
-Actual collaboration
-Family feud
-Refused to pay off a debt
It certainly makes it easier to justify when you blame the Jews.
The execution of women and girls for supposed collaboration is something new. I think it must be a method of increasing the terror in the population.
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