HP and Compaq CEO says she wants Islamic-inspired leadership

[elke]

Originally posted by Ezra


Racist?

Not to put words into anyone's mouth, but I think A2A is being sarcastic...

[Ezra]

Originally posted by elke


Not to put words into anyone's mouth, but I think A2A is being sarcastic...

I thought so till he sent his second message:

Well I'm glad SOMEONE is purifing the world!!

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by Ezra


I thought so till he sent his second message:

It was a continuation of sarcasm. Elke is correct. I thought it was obvious so I didnt both repeating myself.

[Ezra]

Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs


It was a continuation of sarcasm. Elke is correct. I thought it was obvious so I didnt both repeating myself.

Ok, I guess people like Haifa made me lose my sense of understanding humor!

So, that makes us all waiting for his "rotten" replies if he still dares to appear! Hahahahah

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by Ezra




Ok, I guess people like Haifa made me lose my sense of understanding humor!

So, that makes us all waiting for his "rotten" replies if he still dares to appear! Hahahahah

Ya, I was thinking the same thing.

[Haifa]

yet another example of coptic spitefullness.

lets get to the points of ezra since I recognize most of them even though I have never been to egypt.


But before doing this I would like to express my amazement at Ezra's ability to use quotes and present arguments, even though most of them are stupid. When we were talking about history and alexandria all he did was quote and then say "hahahahaha." Again, coptic mentality.

Saying that they control the medicine industry sounds very similar to the sayings: Jews control America; Jews own all the banks; Jews control the World; etc.? You may be right, but I haven't the least idea.

No what happens is that coptic teachers in coptic communities used to give students high grades they do not deserve. This is why until 1960, most university students were coptic!! In other words, in a coptic school, half of the students would get over 90. How? coptic teachers would be giving free marks to coptics so that they can easily get into university!! This is what they call the "spirit of cooporation."

This is why most university students were coptic! and the tragedy continued even in universities!!

This was ended by Jamal Nassir who established al Azhar university. In al azhar university, coptics can still get there, but all students have to finish an extra year of islamic studies, something most coptics refused to do. This way, Jamal Nasser created a balance.

Haifa, but it's not just that: this "gratefulness" talk is rather disturbing. Tell me something: are they Egyptian? Do they look different, eat different foods (other than pork), speak different language? If so, why should they be grateful? And for what exactly? And to whom?

No. they look the same speak the same language and eat the same food. They should not be greatful to anyone except to their country. But when you attack 90% of the citizens of your country, it says something about you.

What coptics basically want is the annihlation of 90% muslims so that they can have there little country.

Again, you can use the Israeli arabs comparison.


back to ezra to expose his lies once again!

Can you please tell us about the Kosh events in 2000 and El Zawya el Hamra events, or maybe Abo Qorqas, or you know what, just tell us about Abo senbo events? How come than the overall death toll for all these events (according to the Religion freedom organization) was 750 Copts and 8 Muslims.

I once again have been able to catch you. When you someone has to lie to support his cause it tells something. In the alkosh events, only 21 coptics died. They were not killed by the government or something, but rather, it was the result of clashes between FARMERS. Now what I want to know is: how did this number become 750? from 21 to 750? WoW!!


Now before saying anything I want to know where in the living heck did you get the 750 number?

Minority? I thought they were the original extension of ancient Egyptians. Can you please shed some light on the origin of Copts? Are they originally Egyptians? When did they come/appear in Egypt?

yes the copts are egyptians, and so are the muslims! Contrary to what you want to believe, muslim egyptians are also an extension of ancient egypt and they themselves were coptics. When Islam came, they simply converted!

Can you please tell us how many Coptic:
1) In the Parlimant?
2) As a minister?
3) As a university professor/dean/presisdent?
4) With a rank of "general" in both the army and the police?
5) In the medicine industry?

I cant. Can you?

The important thing is that they are in all of what you mentioned except "minister."

I do not know about general in the army. But again, I would not be suprised if there were no christian generals. Arent you the one who said IN THIS FORUM that 90% of COPTICS SUPPORT ISRAEL? In other words TRAITORS to there counry wich was at war with Israel for 30 years. Would you allow such traitors to hold high ranks in the military?

THERE ARE NO ARAB GENERALS IN ISRAEL. THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE. SAME APPLIES TO COPTICS!!

What the coptics want is democracy their way. For example, they want to change the constitution so that the candidates of parties in coptic areas have to be coptic! this IS democracy. NOT.

Oh, you mean the Muslims who came from the desert knowing nothing about anything (except f*** goats of course) were feeding the Copts who had one of the most beautiful/fruitful/civilized countries at that time?

Are you trying to say the all muslims in egypt came from saudi arabia and that the only egyptians are coptics? Are you trying to say that only coptics are 'true' egyptians ? If yes then heh.

Wooow. You look like you lived in Egypt for a long time. Can you give us some examples of this hate? Have you ever been to Egypt before in the first place?

I do not need to go to egypt because they are hypocrite. When they are in egypt they are all good but when they go to the west, like your self, they start speaking! hypocrites!

Can you give us examples (or maybe some links) about how they speak bad about Egypt? Or whether they speak bad about Muslims or Egypt?

muslims of egyt are the majority. To make things easier, wanting a christian egypt by annihlating the majority is like when an arab israeli goes "death to the jews" then turns and says "but I love israel!!!!!." again, hypocrites.

I thought they HAVE to be citizens. Arent's they the original people in Egypt? Isn't it the Arabs who invaded them? Again, can you please tell us how many Coptic are there in the Parlimant?

This only shows that they are not being descriminated against. and all the stuff about arab invasion is b/s. Yes, egypt was conquered, but the muslim egyptians are egyptians. They merely converted to islam.

This is like saying: anyone who becomes muslim is not egyptian anymore!!

Betray? You mean the torturing of Muslims to the Christians in Egypt? How about you read the International Human Rights report about Christian treating in Egypt.

Well actually everyone is being tortured in egypt not only christian extremists. Even muslim extremists are tortured. During the time of Gamal Nasser, thousands of muslim extremists were killed. It's all fair.

Also, there is no such thing as treating. It is treatment.

Let's see the rotten Islamic lies of Haifa crashes when we read the what the Copts say in their prayers. Haifa, if you are still not shy to appear once again after you dirty smell came out, then we will love to hear your comments!

I am not muslim! I have also proven you to be a big liar, especially when it came to the library of alexandria and whatnot. The difference between me and you is that before saying something, I do my research. Probably in the coptic soceity these things are not applied and you are supposed to accept whatever lies you are told!

Prayer of the King

Priest:
[Remember, O Lord] the ruler of our land, Your servant....
Deacon:
Pray that Christ our God, grant us mercy and compassion
before the mighty rulers, and incline their hearts with
goodness towards us at all times, and forgive us our sins.
Congregation:
Lord have mercy.
Priest:
Keep him in peace, Justice and might, subdue unto him
all nations that may desire war for all that is prosperous to
us. Speak in his heart for the peace of Your one only holy
Catholic and apostolic church. Grant .him to think
peacefully of us and of Your Holy Name, so that we also
may live a calm and orderly life, and we may exist in
every godliness and virtue through You.
Congregation:
Lord have mercy.


.........etc

What does this have to do with anything? Do you seriously still believe in a god who died in a stick? This sounds more like a dinner recepie than a god

[Adversary2Arabs]

That was the longest post I've ever seen. Seriously. Hehe.

[Haifa]

yea. I shoulda divided the points in two different posts.

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by Haifa
yea. I shoulda divided the points in two different posts.

I don't mind, I was just saying it was the longest I've seen.

[elke]

Haifa, you can't be serious! This is the most prejudiced exchange I have seen on this forum yet! You take the cake even from Faisal1!

[Haifa]

Adversay2Arabs:

Well this thread was not about coptics!!

It started about a speech of Compaq and HP CEO, but Ezra could not stop him self from jumping in a post that was not aimed at him, and diverting the subject!

He just cant stand seeing anything good about the arab/islamic ancient civilization (this tells you something)


Myself I have no idea how I allowed myself to be dragged into this. But it was fun

Anyways there is an old saying that goes like this "do not argue with an idiot because he will drag you to his level and beat you with this experience"

but luckily he did not have any experience

[Haifa]

elke yes. I realize this. I just could not stop myself after reading all his threads in this forum and his personal grudge. Even Jews who are at war with the arabs are not as spiteful as coptics are!!

Anyways, I will not come back to this thread again. I know that this will give Ezra the chance to be the last one to respond but o well. If I do not end this now I know that he never will.

From my experience in this forum, it is easy to have a rational debate with Jews especially

1- Israelis
2- Russian Jews

without having to resort to what I did.

I apologize to all members of this forum if the posts above offended them, and to you elke.

[elke]

All right, why can't we agree that all the world cultures, including the Arab, Jewish, Coptic, Native American, African, - and so on and so forth - have contributed to this crazy, frightening, glorious, and sublime world we all live in?

Why can't we agree that the guilt for the "crazy" and "frightening" parts, as well as the credit for the "glorious" and "sublime", is to be shared by the self-same various cultures who contributed to it?

It really isn't hard, and requires only a minimal effort on everyone's part. But it could make literally a world of difference - our world!

[Ezra]

This is most stupid reply I have ever seen. It's VERY obvious that you know nothing about Egypt or Copts because what you wrote is simply "junk"!

No what happens is that coptic teachers in coptic communities used to give students high grades they do not deserve. This is why until 1960, most university students were coptic!! In other words, in a coptic school, half of the students would get over 90. How? coptic teachers would be giving free marks to coptics so that they can easily get into university!! This is what they call the "spirit of cooporation."

This is why most university students were coptic! and the tragedy continued even in universities!!

This is sooooooooo funny and stupid. I don't know how stupid do you think the reader of this forum! First of all, can you mention the name of one of the so called "Coptic communities"??????????????? In the whole history of Egypt there hasn't been anything called "Coptic community" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Coptic teachers giving Coptic students high grades???????????????????? Who is the idiot who believe that???????? And why would Muslim students won't complaint in a country dominated by Muslims?????? And why won't Muslim teachers give Muslim students high grades as well???????? And why won't Muslim teachers give Coptic students low grades?????????? And this also tells how stupid and ignorant you are. Because in Egypt entering the university is based ONLY on last year exams. There nothing called "mid semester" grades or anything in the general certificate year (grade 12)! It's only one exam. And No ONE knows who is going to grade whose paper! Actually your paper can be graded by a teacher in the south of Egypt!

This was ended by Jamal Nassir who established al Azhar university. In al azhar university, coptics can still get there, but all students have to finish an extra year of islamic studies, something most coptics refused to do. This way, Jamal Nasser created a balance.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaa? This is completely NONSENSE. Al-Azhar university has been in Egypt since the Muslim invasion to Egypt 1000 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And everyone in Egypt knows that Coptic can't enter this university. And this has ALWAYS caused problems since this university is funded by taxes, and Copts HAS ALWAYS complained that if they pay tax then they SHOULD be allowed to enter the Azhar! This has been an issue since Muhammad Ali 150 years ago !!!!!!!!!!!
See how idiot you are????????????

I once again have been able to catch you. When you someone has to lie to support his cause it tells something. In the alkosh events, only 21 coptics died. They were not killed by the government or something, but rather, it was the result of clashes between FARMERS. Now what I want to know is: how did this number become 750? from 21 to 750? WoW!!

Now before saying anything I want to know where in the living heck did you get the 750 number?

Ok Ok.. Piont by point. Clashes between framers caused 21 Copts to die and 2 Muslims???????? Hmmmm.. Strange Clash ha??????
Now, go back and read my post you idiot. See what this 750 mean. Thanks for proving your stupidity.
By the way, you haven't commented on any of the other +20 "farmers clashes"!

yes the copts are egyptians, and so are the muslims! Contrary to what you want to believe, muslim egyptians are also an extension of ancient egypt and they themselves were coptics. When Islam came, they simply converted!

Can you tell us why have Copts converted? Thank you.

I cant. Can you?

The important thing is that they are in all of what you mentioned except "minister."

TO ALL THE FORUM, PLEASE READ! HAIFA JUST WRITES ANYTHING AND THEN SAYS "I CAN'T". SEE WHO IS THE STUPID AND IGNORANT HERE?
AND GUESS WHAT? THERE IS A COPTIC MINISTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIS NAME IS BOUTROS BOUTROS GHALY. HE IS MINISTER OF FOREIGN COMMERCE.
HAIFA, I'M REALLY SO DISGUSTED FROM YOUR ROTTENESS, LIES AND IGNORANCE.

I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THEY CONTROL THE MEDICINE IN EGYPT? NOW YOU DON'T KNOW?

I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID THEY ARE IN THE PARLIMANT IN EGYPT? NOW YOU DON'T KNOW?

I do not need to go to egypt because they are hypocrite. When they are in egypt they are all good but when they go to the west, like your self, they start speaking! hypocrites!

NO COMMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE ANYONE TELL ME WHAT SHOULD I COMMENT ON THAT? HE DOESN'T "KNOW"!!!!!! HE NEVER BEEN THERE!!!!!!!! WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE??????????????????

muslims of egyt are the majority. To make things easier, wanting a christian egypt by annihlating the majority is like when an arab israeli goes "death to the jews" then turns and says "but I love israel!!!!!." again, hypocrites.

I asked for a link proving what he said! LOOK WHAT HE IS WRITING BACK!!!!!!!!!

I am not muslim!

Tsk Tsk Tsk.. now he is feeling ashame and denying his Islam! SHAME ON YOU!

I have also proven you to be a big liar

CAN'T STOP MYSELF FROM LAUGHING!!!!!!!!!!

[Haifa]

sorry elke i cant resist

hmm... I am beginning to understand what Ezra is doing. He simply responds to what he can make up a lie about (such as the previous post) and leaves out what is so obvious that he cant make up a lie about. I, as opposed to this, respond to everything!

For that reason, I will repost what he did not respond to and then when he finishis responding to everything he "missed" I will proceed to respond to the previous post!

(yes!! yes!! It's fun I know it is)

Now can you please respond to these quotes that you missed in this thread? ALL OF THEM.

Ezra says they stole what the coptics had, hahha. Ok, name me one coptic scientist or mathematician. I can name you thousqands of muslims who supposedly 'stole' stuff from the coptics, but can you name me one coptic whose 'stuff' was stolen? I think not.

Until this moment, coptics are still more backward than muslims. I will not get into coptic bashing now, however, though the coptic religion already bashes itself, as in what happened to ((Barsoom)).

Again, you sound like an empty person, with only air inside, but no content. You could not name a single coptic scientist. Not egyptian, not ancient egyptian, nothing. I said COPTIC, which means AFTER the rise of xianity, NOT before.

And by the way this is the case with all civilizations, you start where people stopped. You do not start from scratch! For example, the western civilization is based in part in the islamic one. Does this mean there is no western civilization?

This shows your lack of education, if not idiocy, again. Islam was NEVER based in saudi arabia. It started there, but soon muslims moved away. In fact, 30 years after the establishment of islam, there was no one in saudi arabia! Now you've got to understand that islam != does NOT equal saudi arabia. Most Egyptians are muslim, perssians are muslim, and even some romans are muslim! Does it make sense now?

quote:



4) If the Muslims are that interested in science and human civilization, why did they burn the great Library of Alexandria by Amr Ibn El-Aas?






This is a lie invented by coptics, and ALL historians agree on this. The story was invented by a guy called Gregory Bar Hebræus.
Here is a uote from a website, then the website

quote:






The errors in the sources are obvious and the story itself is almost wholly incredible. In the first place, Gregory Bar Hebræus represents the Christian in his story as being one John of Byzantium and that John was certainly dead by the time of the Moslem invasion of Egypt. Also, the prospect of the library talking six months to burn is simply fantastic and just the sort of exaggeration one might expect to find in Arab legends such as the Arabian Nights. However Alfred Butler's famous observation that the books of the library were made of vellum which does not burn is not true. The very late dates of the source material are also suspect as there is no hint of this atrocity in any early literature - even in the Coptic Christian chronicle of John of Nikiou (died after 640AD) who detailed the Arab invasion. Finally, the story comes from the hand of a Christian intellectual who would have been more than happy to show the religion of his rulers in a bad light. Agreeing with Gibbon this time, we can dismiss it as a legend.






http://www.bede.org.uk/library.htm#omar

Now what I would like to concentrate on is the fact that you lied about the Library of Alexandria, and you probably knew that it was a lie. This, again, shows that your goal is to attack the islamic civliation no matter what it takes.

Now ill go back to the coptics.. name me ONE coptic scientist who did something of a VALUE. Not egyptian, COPTIC CHRISTIAN. He must be christian. Pagans do not work.

Oh, have you been to the university of texas? a friend is a chemistry professor there. they have a HUGE statue of a arab scientist there. Can you tell me why?

Oh, and since you know computers, where does the word "algorithm" come from?

Back to ezra: you have proven that you have nothing to provide. Since you cant name one coptic even though you are admittidly one, and since you have been exposed to be a liar (regarding the library of alexandria) and an irrational person who attacks without having facts backing him up, there is no point of continuing this conversation.

hmm.. what is laughable is that I responded to all questions + provided a 200 names list + shown that the library of alexandria was not burnt, and this troll still has the audacity to show his face in this thread, and start acting strangely. (The "hahahahahahaha"s are just a symptom, by the way).

1- you have not heard of the names because you are uneducated. Others have and because what the provided has been expanded by other people. We studty the expansions rather than the foundation, because now it is considered too simple for us.

2- What happened? well the Romans are the ones who destroyed it!!

3- I just told you, the romans destroyed it. But coptics do not want to admit that their religion destroyed one of the greatest libraries in the world.

So they start MAKING UP stories about the muslim invasion..etc.

WHat you will just read is being TAUGHT AT UNIVERSITIES WORLDWIDE. The story about moslems was invented by a coptic in the 7th century and it is not credible at all.

yes the copts are egyptians, and so are the muslims! Contrary to what you want to believe, muslim egyptians are also an extension of ancient egypt and they themselves were coptics. When Islam came, they simply converted!

I do not know about general in the army. But again, I would not be suprised if there were no christian generals. Arent you the one who said IN THIS FORUM that 90% of COPTICS SUPPORT ISRAEL? In other words TRAITORS to there counry wich was at war with Israel for 30 years. Would you allow such traitors to hold high ranks in the military?

THERE ARE NO ARAB GENERALS IN ISRAEL. THIS IS UNDERSTANDABLE. SAME APPLIES TO COPTICS!!

What the coptics want is democracy their way. For example, they want to change the constitution so that the candidates of parties in coptic areas have to be coptic! this IS democracy. NOT.

Are you trying to say the all muslims in egypt came from saudi arabia and that the only egyptians are coptics? Are you trying to say that only coptics are 'true' egyptians ? If yes then heh.

I do not need to go to egypt because they are hypocrite. When they are in egypt they are all good but when they go to the west, like your self, they start speaking! hypocrites!

This only shows that they are not being descriminated against. and all the stuff about arab invasion is b/s. Yes, egypt was conquered, but the muslim egyptians are egyptians. They merely converted to islam.

This is like saying: anyone who becomes muslim is not egyptian anymore!!

Well actually everyone is being tortured in egypt not only christian extremists. Even muslim extremists are tortured. During the time of Gamal Nasser, thousands of muslim extremists were killed. It's all fair.

Also, there is no such thing as treating. It is treatment.

I have also proven you to be a big liar, especially when it came to the library of alexandria and whatnot.

_______________________________

Now can you answer these quotes so that we can proceed?