Finally, Obama's spiritual advisor outed

[wellofvow]

Jeremiah Wright Jr.'s extreme, anti-American views have finally been outed. TV's Fox News is showing DVDs of sermons the "reverend" actually preached, where he shouts "G-d damn America", accuses the US of spreading AIDS and drugs among Afro-Americans, and finally actually says that the US was responsible for 9/11.

Many on the forum have castigated Obama for yes-Moslem, no-Moslem, apostate-Moslem, and, as uncomfortable as I am as an Israeli with this, I have agreed with those who say that this is not an issue.

However, as I have pointed out numerous times, Obama's having remained in the congregation of this odious American-basher should have raised HUGE claxon-level alarm bells with every single American.

It is simply beyond me how someone can have the gall to run for the US Senate, let alone win that race, and not have left the congregation years earlier.

An American President whose spiritual advisor believes America responsible for all the above garbage???? For G-d's sake - but the TRUE G-d of all people of all colors and denominations - do not support this man.

He has just now, since the X hit the fan finally, started to say to the media that he doesn't agree with all of the reverend's stands - but even now, this Presidential candidate (!) doesn't say what he agrees with and what not, so we, well, are left to wonder......

It is much, MUCH to late for a presidential candidate to "repudiate" or "distance himself" from this hatemonger whom he has freely declared to be his "spiritual advisor". Obama was under no obligation to allign himself with Reverend Wright or his church, or to remain there, or to publicize his close relation to them. He has created his own bete noir, one can only pray.

Obama is a smooth talker, and an opportunist. Ferraro was exactly on the mark by saying that he has gotten to where he is entirely by the virtue of being black, Democratic, and very very liberal.


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/14/obamas-spiritual-adviser-questioned-us-role-in-spread-of-hiv-sept-11-attacks/

Barack Obama’s longtime pastor once questioned America’s role in the spread of the AIDS virus, suggested that the United States bore some responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and said “God damn America” for policies he said has discriminated against blacks.

Confronted with the content of some of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.’s sermons, parts of which have been aired this week on FOX News, the Obama campaign continues to pull away from the pastor’s rhetoric, but is stopping short of a full repudiation.

Wright has retired as leader of Trinity United Church in Chicago; he delivered his last sermon there in February. Obama has attended the church for 20 years and calls Wright his spiritual adviser.

Wright’s supporters say his Afro-centric sermons accurately portray black America and contend his sermons are widely studied by theologians. But critics are now calling attention to some of his words from the pulpit.

In DVD copies of his sermons available for purchase, Wright can be seen questioning America’s role in the spreading of the HIV virus that leads to AIDS. In another speech, made in the days after 9/11, he suggested that American foreign policy invited the terror attacks.

“We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye,” Wright said.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

The pastor also said: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

In another fiery sermon in April 2003, Wright said: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No!

“God damn America … for killing innocent people. God damn America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

Late Thursday, the Obama campaign said it has distanced itself from certain comments made by the pastor. But it did not fully repudiate Wright himself — as some critics have called for.

“Senator Obama has said before that he profoundly disagrees with some of the statements and positions of Reverend Wright, who has preached his last sermon as pastor at the church,” Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said. “Senator Obama deplores divisive statements whether they come from his supporters, the supporters of his opponent, talk radio, or anywhere else.”

Last year, Obama rescinded an invitation to Wright to deliver the invocation at his presidential announcement. He also issued a statement saying personal attacks have no place in politics after Wright delivered an attack on Hillary Clinton and former President Bill Clinton.

But Obama’s longtime relationship with Wright is continuing to spark controversy.

“This is not just someone that Barack Obama has a casual relationship with,” said Tom Bevan, executive editor of RealClearPolitics.com. He noted that Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama, and Wright’s words were the inspiration for the title of Obama’s book, “The Audacity of Hope.”

“Barack Obama has not out and out distanced himself from all of these comments … ,” said Patricia Murphy, editor of CitizenJanePolitics.com. “It’s unclear if he rejects all of these statements. I would assume that he does, but I think he is going to be pushed where he needs to come out and fully explain his relationship with his pastor.”

Some of Wright’s statements have raised eyebrows at a time the Internal Revenue Service is scrutinizing tax-exempt religious organizations for alleged violations of rules barring them from participating in political campaigns.

Prior to his retirement last month, Wright delivered commentary from the pulpit in which he praised Obama, as well as remarks focusing on the racial divide between Obama and Clinton.

“There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction,” Wright said during his Jan. 13 sermon.

During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.

“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.

“Hillary ain’t never been called a nigger. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

In a Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:

“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

So far the Clinton campaign has been quiet over Wright’s comments.

Wright has declined interview requests from FOX News.

[Yala]

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However, as I have pointed out numerous times, Obama's having remained in the congregation of this odious American-basher should have raised HUGE claxon-level alarm bells with every single American.

Why would Americans, particularly of the leftist persuasion, be bothered by Wright's statements, when they agree with them and say similar things daily? I just saw a poll released today that says among Democrats 50% support Obama and 42% support Clinton. Obviously Wright's comments don't bother them at all and many on leftwing blogs are singing this guy's praises.

Of course, among Republicans, Obama has 0 support. Anyone who claims that he appeals to Repubs is an outright liar. MSM has been peddling this lie for a while though.

Also, while I do not buy the "Obama is a Muslim" rhetoric, it's interesting to note that he chose a Pastor that is as close to an Islamofascist as a Pastor can be.

[andak01]

Of course, among Republicans, Obama has 0 support. Anyone who claims that he appeals to Repubs is an outright liar. MSM has been peddling this lie for a while though.

And Republicans who are villifying Obama like he was Satin and identifying him with the evil Muslims and the evil blacks are going to have a long term surprise when they get 0% of that demographic. That's really what they wanted anyway.

so, while I do not buy the "Obama is a Muslim" rhetoric, it's interesting to note that he chose a Pastor that is as close to an Islamofascist as a Pastor can be.

How close is that?

[Abital]

And Republicans who are villifying Obama like he was Satin and identifying him with the evil Muslims and the evil blacks are going to have a long term surprise when they get 0% of that demographic. That's really what they wanted anyway.

That's not true. McCain gave Obama a pass - google it.

How close is that?

Well, he has attended and been a member of a racist church for some 20 years; was married by Wright; had his 2 daughters baptized by Wright and still maintains he (Obama) never knew any of Wright's views. By the way, that church (i.e. Pastor Jeremiah Wright) gave Louis Farrakhan their "Lifetime Achievement Award". Certainly you realize that Farrakhan considers Judaism to be "a gutter religion" among other of his hateful ideas.

Google Jeremiah Wright and see for yourself; watch some of the hate speech on YouTube.

Here's one article (and it has a snippet of Wright's YouTube hate speech within it) for you:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...-obamas-p.html

[farmall]

"That's not true. McCain gave Obama a pass - google it."

That's good strategy. Use the proper members of the group to attack, yet keep oneself marketable. Obama may not be a Muslim, but s sympathizer is still a traitor. After the primaries are over is the time to use that in the campaign.

[Yala]

And Republicans who are villifying Obama like he was Satin and identifying him with the evil Muslims

Why do you insist on blaming this stuff on Republicans? You know very well the DEMOCRATIC Clinton campaign was caught red-handed "villifying" Obama and one of their staff members had to apologize and resign over it! And it's funny that most just call him a "Muslim" and to you that is "villifying." As I wrote in my other thread - it is you, as a Muslim, that should be mad at Obama's reaction to being called a Muslim.

How close is that?

He gave an award to Farrakhan and supports Kadaffi for G-d's sake! He also blames 9/11 on us! Not to mention that he compares Israel to South African Apartheid. Is this not an Islamofascist cheerleader in the truest sense of the word? If I called him a dhimmi would that be a more accurate portrayal b/c he is supposedly a "Christian?"

[Mediocrates]

http://www.victorhanson.com/articles...n031008PF.html

March 10, 2008Let Obama Be Obama
by Victor Davis Hanson
Tribune Media Services

Liberal Democrats from the North haven't had much success in recent presidential election — not Hubert Humphrey, not George McGovern, not Walter Mondale, not Mike Dukakis and not John Kerry. Democratic Southerners — Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton — have done quite a bit better.

Sen. Barack Obama, of Illinois, knows this history. So why does he think he can be the first Northern liberal Democratic president since John F. Kennedy edged out Richard Nixon almost a half-century ago?

First, there is no incumbent president or vice president running for the first time in over 50 years. Add a controversial war, an unpopular incumbent and a shaky economy, and you've got a wide-open race full of voters rethinking things as never before.

Second, as the first African-American candidate to seriously contend for either party's nomination, Obama offers Americans a sort of collective redemption at home and admiration abroad.

When Obama's wife, Michelle, stated that she had never been proud of America until her husband ran for office, she made explicit what seems to be the campaign's implicit contract: Vote for Obama and, at last, America, you can prove you are not a racist country and finally heal centuries-old wounds.

Many Americans are also tired of the flag-burning, embassy-storming and other virulent — and often violent — anti-Americanism broadcast into our homes from overseas. They apparently hope a young President Obama would recast the United States as a hip, likable multicultural society, marking an end to the stereotype of the U.S. as a stodgy white-guy superpower.

Third, and most important, Obama still continues to talk in platitudes of hope and change. His delivery is excellent and so far how he speaks rather than what he says is what has mesmerized crowds. Indeed, if Obama were honestly to articulate in any detail what he has stood for, then his long laundry list of new taxes and social programs might not be so warmly received.

There is surely a reason why various monitoring groups have given Obama an almost-perfect liberal ranking based on his Senate votes.

He favors re-negotiating NAFTA and threatening to raise some trade barriers, on the premise the United States cannot compete abroad — and that other countries won't follow suit and retaliate.

His version of the war on terror is largely a story of lost civil liberties and eroding the Constitution, not that we've done something right these past six years to prevent another 9/11.

He's spoken of the surge as a failure — not a success that has stabilized Iraq and paved the way for a downsizing soon of American troops there.

And he believes Iran has grown into a threat not just because of its desire to spread radical Islam, acquire the bomb, destabilize its neighbors and destroy Israel, but also in large part due either to our presence in Iraq or to our diplomatic failure to talk and engage with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

In a broader sense, the pessimistic Obama theme is that elites have stacked the deck against the average Joe, who can't get a doctor, pay for his children's college education or pay his mortgage. Therefore, we must take back more income from the better-paid and hire a lot more people in government like Barack Obama to more wisely administer the money.

Obama's overall message — to the extent we know from cross-examination and position papers — seems very different from Bill Clinton's, who reformed welfare, advocated free trade, held the line on government growth and spending, advocated strong international engagement, and emphasized crime fighting. Indeed, at home and abroad it's more reminiscent of George McGovern's hoped-for changes.

The irony is that Obama really does offer a change — not just in matters of youth, race and eloquence, but also in that we have not seen such a leftish philosophy on the national scene in over a generation.

His handlers should let Obama be Obama — in the manner that true believers once demanded that handlers stop sugarcoating Ronald Reagan and instead let him make the case for his bedrock conservative beliefs.

Obama should now follow through on his promises of a new politics of candor and transparency, and use his magnetism and persuasive skills to make the detailed liberal case for more taxes on the wealthier for more government services for the majority along with trade protectionism as the proper antidote to our problems.

Who knows? Maybe today's indebted Americans really do want to move leftward toward a centralized European model. But the voters should at least be given the chance to understand fully in 2008 what they may well get in 2009 and beyond.

©2008 Victor Davis Hanson

[andak01]

Who knows? Maybe today's indebted Americans really do want to move leftward toward a centralized European model. But the voters should at least be given the chance to understand fully in 2008 what they may well get in 2009 and beyond.

Or you can vote for the war candidate and watch us spend another trillion without paying for it.

[NewsGuy]

[COLOR="Blue"]It is simply beyond me how someone can have the gall to run for the US Senate, let alone win that race, and not have left the congregation years earlier.

That's a good point. We're now at an almost insane period in American history where a presidential candidate need not be patriotic, and not even pro-America.

And, as insane as it is to have someone like Obama being a front-runner for president, it's even more insane that a considerable part of the country agrees with him.

I suppose that the Obama crowd is similar to Israeli leftist Tali Fahima, who went to console the family of the Muslim terrorist who mass-murdered yeshiva students in cold blood. It's unbelievable, but people like that exist in droves both in Israel and in America.

Why would Americans, particularly of the leftist persuasion, be bothered by Wright's statements, when they agree with them and say similar things daily? I just saw a poll released today that says among Democrats 50% support Obama and 42% support Clinton. Obviously Wright's comments don't bother them at all and many on leftwing blogs are singing this guy's praises.

Exactly right. Leftists who hate America are actually delighted with Obama and his mentor.

I'm pretty sure that if they ever did a poll among people who would describe themselves as being ashamed to be an American, the percentage of those who intend to vote for Obama would be much, much higher than 50%.

And Republicans who are villifying Obama like he was Satin and identifying him with the evil Muslims and the evil blacks are going to have a long term surprise when they get 0% of that demographic. That's really what they wanted anyway.

The surprise is that blacks are so ungrateful to the Republican party -- and Bush in particular -- under whose presidency they made bigger strides forward than under any other administration. (Blacks at the highest levels of government, like Powell and Rice, highest black home ownership in history, highest percentage of college enrollment, etc).

As for Muslims, they have a very different agenda than most Americans, although their alliance with anti-American haters like the Reverend Wright (and Obama's Nation of Islam advisers) is to be expected.

Let's be honest - most blacks and Muslims turned their backs on the Republican party a long time ago. If I were the Republican candidate, I wouldn't waste any time or effort on a lost cause. Instead, the best move for Republicans is to try to rally the citizens who might actually cast their vote for a Republican candidate.

[andak01]

I suppose that the Obama crowd is similar to Israeli leftist Tali Fahima, who went to console the family of the Muslim terrorist who mass-murdered yeshiva students in cold blood. It's unbelievable, but people like that exist in droves both in Israel and in America.

That's truely a low comment. How could you possibly compare Obama to that man? Oh, I forget just how far gone your worldview is. But humor me. When did Obama console the family of a terrorist who shot people in cold blood? Was that when he got invited to the home of a Chicago professor who unbeknown to him had built bombs twenty years earlier? Is that when his pastor made a speech which he didn't hear and which he decries? That's the same thing to you as openly consoling the family of a terrorist? I see.

[andak01]

I'm pretty sure that if they ever did a poll among people who would describe themselves as being ashamed to be an American, the percentage of those who intend to vote for Obama would be much, much higher than 50%.

And I'm pretty sure you're wrong. But since such a poll doesn't exist, my opinion is as valuable or as valueless as yours.

The surprise is that blacks are so ungrateful to the Republican party -- and Bush in particular -- under whose presidency they made bigger strides forward than under any other administration. (Blacks at the highest levels of government, like Powell and Rice, highest black home ownership in history, highest percentage of college enrollment, etc).

Highest black home ownership??? Hahaha! Most of those homes are going to be lost.

As for Muslims, they have a very different agenda than most Americans, although their alliance with anti-American haters like the Reverend Wright (and Obama's Nation of Islam advisers) is to be expected.

Tell that to my friend in the DOD or the other one with Bush's picture on his wall who donated to him in both elections.

Let's be honest - most blacks and Muslims turned their backs on the Republican party a long time ago. If I were the Republican candidate, I wouldn't waste any time or effort on a lost cause. Instead, the best move for Republicans is to try to rally the citizens who might actually cast their vote for a Republican candidate.

Go find people who love raising the debt ceiling another eight times to several trillion more like Bush. Find ones that love watching their dollar fall below the Euro and the Canadian dollar. Find ones that are happy their children were killed looking for WMDs. Best of all, you can sit in your corner and call them unpatriotic for caring about such things.

[Yala]

The surprise is that blacks are so ungrateful to the Republican party

They also seem to forget that Lincoln was a Republican and that the Democrats started the KKK and Jim Crow.

[wellofvow]

Why would Americans, particularly of the leftist persuasion, be bothered by Wright's statements, when they agree with them and say similar things daily? I just saw a poll released today that says among Democrats 50% support Obama and 42% support Clinton. Obviously Wright's comments don't bother them at all and many on leftwing blogs are singing this guy's praises.

Also, while I do not buy the "Obama is a Muslim" rhetoric, it's interesting to note that he chose a Pastor that is as close to an Islamofascist as a Pastor can be.

Yala, the poll that you talk about was taken before the public outing of Jeremiah Wright Jr., and before Obama started being harrassed by Fox News to make some kind of statement about his "spiritual advisor".

Second, there's a difference between saying similar things daily, and saying such things on a DVD, dressed in the robes of the clergy, and before a large congregation of supposed Christians in the US of A. The guy is a raving anti-American and not ashamed of it.

And if a considerable number of Obama supporters are NOT bothered by these public revelations, that is cause for concern.

Yala, how old are you? How much do you know about the history of civil rights by actually living through that time? Many blacks were radicalized by the civil rights revolution. Many blacks became Moslems at this time, and many remained Christians, but like Wright's church, turned their loyalties away from America and towards Africa. "Blacks" became affronted by being called "blacks" - it was almost as bad as the N word - they had reinvented themselves as African-Americans, as if they were the first generation in diaspora from their homeland somewhere in Africa.

So I do not agree with you that he is "close to an Islamofascist" - that was not Wright's agenda at all, or at least not his main one. His agenda is racist, yes, but it is virulently anti-white, anti-American establishment and government.

Obama's saying that he sees Wright as a quaint old uncle whose ideas are perhaps somewhat eccentric.... well, putting that together with Obama's wife saying that only with her hubby's campaign doing so well does she feel for the first time in her life like an American.... Obama is dodgy as an AMERICAN, and this sly dodginess and squealing of victimization of "racism" is phonus bolognus. Geraldine Ferraro was stating a simple fact - in states and counties with a high percentage of black voters, Obama got phenomenal support, in the 70s and 80s. Obama IS a black man, unless my TV needs servicing. So it is a simple statement of fact that "Obama would not have come as far as he has if he were not black". What is racist in that statement? Huh, compare that with some of the comments of the kindly old uncle, who is the REAL racist, only he is black!

That's the Left for you.....