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Yep and he's so stupid as to finally state that he had! From a CNN article:Originally Posted by varian
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/...tml?eref=yahooObama admitted he had sat in church and heard his former minister make controversial remarks.
(From the Story Highlights of the article, listed near the upper right:
NEW: Obama says Rev. Wright "has been like family to me"
He stated that he heard him say controversial things with which he disagreed. However, nobody has been able to prove and many have tried to, that he was witnessed to the statements being carried around on youtube.
Right, except for this: http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama.../16/80870.html which was posted in #22 of this thread, and written in Aug of 2007!
But in truth whether he heard this speech or that speech isn't the issue. The issue is one of judgement. He KNEW his pastor said these things, that his church sold videos of these things, that for 20 years he looked up to this man and considers him a part of his family, he has stated as much.
Even a cursory glance at the website for the church shows the anti-American, anti-everybody message of the institution:
And he, with this history, comes to the US population and says, trust me, I am a man of character, I want to get beyond the ideas that separate us and unify us and change for the better. What kind of judgement does he show in stating the above but accepting as a spiritual leader, a guide for his life, a man who spews out hatred and lies? That honors Louis Farrakahn, that travels to Libya to support Momar Kadaffi?
Even Oprah Winfrey gets it. She stopped going to the church to distance herself from the hatefilled nature of the church and the pastor, as reported in the above article.
But what I love the most is all the Black clergy coming out and saying, America, you just don't understand what we are saying in the context of the message. You are judging us unfairly. No, we aren't, we perfectly understand what you are saying and judging the message for what it is, racist and hatefilled and we are saying so.
Black people of Reverend Wright's generation can still recall when they weren't allowed the luxury of a Black Value System, because it was total assimilation of white values aka "passing" (straightening one's hair or bleaching one's skin) or sitting in the back of the bus or standing in the light of a burning church! That was the dhimmi system going on right in these borders when I was a kid. The fact that white America finds these opinions shocking coming from that source shows how woefully out of touch we are. The fact that he hasn't come to terms with how things have changed shows how woefully out of touch the reverend is.
Again, you have an obsession with George Bush, who is not running for president this time.
What I call unpatriotic from my corner or anywhere else, is the type of racist, anti-American rhetoric like Obama's mentor. "God Damn America! God Damn America! God Damn America!" Those are the reverend Wright's own words caught on tape. Maybe some of Obama's supporters find this acceptable, but to me, that is unpatriotic and shows yet another of many important reasons to view Obama as unsuitable for public office.
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I don't find many of Wright's statements shocking at all, but then I tend question everything. I have more distrust of the US government than most blacks that I have met, but then again, I have half black family members just like Obama. My main gripe with Wright is that he tends to blanket all whites just like screwy Louie of the NOI. As far as AIDS goes, patient X was identified as Gatan Dugas, a white flight attendant from Canada who made frequent trips to San Francisco and partied in the Castro District which facilitated the spread of what was then called the 'gay plague' throughout the gay community in San Francisco as well as other gay haunts such as Fire Island on the East coast. If anything, gays were targeted before blacks. The spread of AIDS in Africa can be traced directly to the development of the Kinsasha Highway due to prostitution and drug abuse that followed its development. In a like fashion, AIDS has been spread further in most countries through prostitution, IV drug use, and medical blood supplies. Is it possible that the black community was also specifically targeted? Yes, but the epidemiology in the US is attributed to patient X and the gay community, specifically in the Castro District of San Francisco.
Since I don't have any forebears that were in this country until some time after the (Civil War, War of Northern Aggression, War Between the States), I feel no 'white guilt,' nor do I allow anyone to lay that baggage at my feet because all my forebears were white Europeans. I am vividly aware that they all came to America to escape the tyranny, socialism and fascism endemic throughout much of Europe. They did not come here to exalt their 'whiteness' over those of a different hue. That is where many people of color are stuck in a paradigm and can't get out.
What I have seen in my life time is some Northern cities (especially Chicago, my place of birth) called for blacks to move out of the 'Jim Crow' South and head to the freedom of the North. Blacks were used as the 'cheap' labor to drive Northern industry. What I witnessed was a Democrat Machine, under the guise of urban renewal and cleaning up the black ghetto areas, re-enslave black people in urban housing projects, break up the black nuclear family in the name of a failed welfare system, and stifle the ability of blacks to rise above and get free of the new high rise ghettos by controlling their economics. That's where the Democrats and I parted company. The scum Democrat Machine never had any altruistic intent toward the black man, they only wanted a stable block of voters that could be handled by a few hand picked black Quisling sellouts like Jackson and Rangel. These sell-outs convinced the masses that it was okay to take the white man's money, they were owed. White man's money, black man's future, or how to sell out your own race for personal gain.
In Obama's book Dreams from my Father... he showed some insight to some of his true feelings on race. This was prior to deciding on running for public office. It may reveal his real inner feelings. Like many politicians, attitudes and opinions get molded along lines that will play well in the public forum. What Rev. Wright fails to comprehend is that not many whites questioned their government as often as they should have, and that the US government has been engaged in dirty little wars for decades that would not have been approved of by the general public. We are all going to pay for this lack of vigilance in the very near future; whites as well as those of all other colors in this country. Church burnings and where one was allowed to ride on public transportation really pales in comparison to the multiple generations of blacks that have been enslaved in the high rise yankee ghettos thanks to the poverty pimps of the Machine politics in many Northern cities. When Rev. Wright starts to point out specific 'whites' (and blacks) by name, then and only then will he find liberation. Until then, I prefer T.D. Jakes!!!
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I don't think so. White people and of course many people of color are shocked that a presidential candidate like Obama considers a racist, anti-American to be his 20-year spiritual leader and mentor. They are also shocked that racist speech is apparently commonplace in Black churches, even at a time when so many Blacks are at the very top of American society. It's shocking that racists like the Rev. Wright and Luis Farrakhan are adored by their huge congregations, and that racist speech in churches and mosques is considered to be acceptable.
Still, I don't think the Rev. Wright is out of touch at all. In fact, he is right in line with Leftist ideology, and with the opinions of a very large number of Obama supporters. It's the 'Blame America First' crowd, and his opinions are widely shared by the Left.
I don't know if anyone has written on this, but there are parallel beliefs about the supposed untrustworthiness of corporations, the government and banks among groups which might not seem to have anything in common, i.e., fringe black organizations, the far left and the far right. It's a dangerous brew which has brought trouble in many places if the movements join together and become large enough. Depending on the group, subvillains are named, but it hardly matters if enough destabilization of the government can be made to occur.
Right now the far left and fringe black organizations look to Obama to lead them out of the wilderness, while the far right looks to Ron Paul as the great white hope. I hope there is no one in the wings waiting to step forward to join these groups together.
Truth hardly matters when emotions can be sufficiently riled up it seems.
Ron Paul is the darling of the bozos at Stormfront. I'm not accusing him of being a white racist, I haven't really paid that much attention to him. Some of his statements during this campaign have been right on the money, but his take on foreign policy seems to be weak.
I don't see the far right and the far left getting together due to differing racial issues. There is too much specific color bias, and both groups are sniveling about their respective race being marginalized. But this is America, and anything is possible.
Those words are words that Obama almost certainly never heard. Fox and others sent teams to prove that he did and came up empty handed. He was in other states when many of those statements were made. Obama said he is like an uncle. That doesn't make him a mentor. My own uncle is not my mentor, though I have much respect for him. My imam is only a mentor from a spiritual standpoint, and I would never confine myself to him even as a spiritual mentor. There are political opinions of many people who have helped me in life that I can't abide by. I'm not responsible for what other people think and neither should Obama be. Can you think of anyone in your personal life that you tolerate despite their politics, or do you decide upon who you associate with in your synogogue and family only based on that? I'd say if you do, that makes you unique and rather robotic. There are people who are racist or far, far left, or far, far right who have extreme compassion and generosity in other aspects of their lives. They give of themselves to the community. I've been blessed to meet some of them along the way.
Nice talking points, but there are "eye witnesses."
... If Obama’s claims are true that he was completely unaware that Wright’s trademark preaching style at the Trinity United Church of Christ has targeted “white†America and Israel, he would have been one of the few people in Chicago to be so uninformed. Wright’s reputation for spewing hate is well known.
In fact, Obama was present in the South Side Chicago church on July 22 last year when Jim Davis, a freelance correspondent for Newsmax, attended services along with Obama.
In his sermon that day, Wright tore into America, referring to the “United States of White America†and lacing his sermon with expletives as Obama listened. Hearing Wright’s attacks on his own country, Obama had the opportunity to walk out, but Davis said the senator sat in his pew and nodded in agreement. ...
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama.../16/80870.html
So what? Wright is using well established memes about whitey oppressing the poor black man to fill his church coffers and stay popular. So Wright's an ahole, but Wright's not Obama's be all and end all. He's just an adviser to Obama at best, and Obama's reason for refusing to totally distance himself from Wright lies somewhere between an electoral gamble and plain old respect for Wright. Obama's a politician, that's what they do.
Who amongst us here does not know and respect somebody whose own personal views could be seen as controversial?
As an aside. I bet Sean Hannity sleeps better at night now that he sees himself as the victim of black racism. It's probably the fruition of a life long dream. If only Lou Dobbs could contract leprosy from a illegal Mexican all would be perfect.
As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops.
The difference is that Ron Paul IS NOT the Republican nominee for President and Barak Obama MAY WELL BE the Democratic nominee for President. The non-conspiracy theorist / non-right wing nut jobs of the Republican party rejected Ron Paul but the non-conspiriacy theorist / non-left wing nut jubs of the Democratic party have embraced Barak Obama.
Nobody ever claimed that telling the truth was a prerequisite for being in media or politics. If anything, the opposite seems to enhance the resumes of both.
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